Do you have plans for Hawaii, BR? Hula hula.
The fact that this trash has the shame to say that he's in control and he totally sustained his manhood after he lied to practically everyone including himself is insane.
He's the definition of cognitive dissonance at this point.
First he says that she never cheated/ never lied to him/ all the trolls/haters are liars who make stuff up.
Then he admitted he vents all these things to you and he's paranoid of her cheating.
After confronted with clear evidence of his bullshit he ducked, niptucked, shifted goalposts.
And now that everything crumbled and he's reflected with evidence on how much not in control he is he resorts to "it was part of my plan for all this to happen".
Idek what he means by "are you above the law" is he trying to say that the law is forcing him now?
It's like he keeps trying to find some excuse of why he's "forced to tolerate" being the playtoy of a very, very, useless person.
He might be un ironically the most delusional being in this forum.
Did i say you could hust waltz right up and keep giving your beta opinion on my marriage? You are hardly in my life, you dont know me, and you especially don't know my wife. You have time and time again crossed boundaries with your disrespect and your know it all attitude, no one asked for your intergection.
You mean you do what she wants, amirite?
It's fine though dude, there's nothing wrong with being a sub. You don't have to pretend that everything you're doing here is purely your own idea or plan, it's hers, and as a matter of power dynamics it may not be traditional but it's otherwise something plenty of people find themselves doing.Right, she was here for three years. She was miserable. I thought if I found ways to keep her here she would learn to be happy, but she never was.
What makes you think Hawaii will make her any happier other than maybe a time where she feels like she got her way?
Past a point she will have successfully isolated you from all you were once connected to, and once you make new connections it'll just be the same problems all over again except on a tropical island.
No, it was her who worked hard to reconnect me with family members and she had even pushed me to see them. She even helped me stop being mad at certain family members, even members who hate her. She does the opposite to that. Its others who attack her while she smiles on the sidelines trying to straighten shit out. A family member will sexually harass her time and time again and all she does is feel guilty and try to help me forgive that family member and smooth things over. There were many times when she could have made me never want to speak to some members of my family again, but she did the opposite.
She stopped eating, sleeping, or smiling. Her hair started to fall out, and all she ever did was cry and it was lame. Even her singing was only ever about that place.
How is Hawaii supposed to fix this beyond a placebo improvement? Go figure if she stopped eating and sleeping to make a point that she'd become unhealthy, stress out, and potentially lose hair and cry and shit. This is just her throwing a tantrum until she gets what she wants, and at the end of the day you're the type to give in to what takes less time to think about rather than find a different path.
There isn't some magical property Hawaii has that will fix the problems going on here, this is you blaming yourself for everything that you see her going through, which is why she wears the pants in this relationship and calls the shots enough to have yourself doing whatever she wants.
She's homesick it's not that complicated. No she isnt throwing a tantrum someone cannot fake for that long. And she cant control if her hair falls out or not. You have a lot of damn nerve. You assume a lot of shit, and its hilarious. You have no grounds to read between the lines this much.
Again, speaking as a sub myself I completely understand. I just wish the one you were subbing with had enough self control that you didn't have to compensate over it this much. As a sub it's easier to find peace when you know your respective dom can be trusted to know what they're doing.
Again with the projection.
Just because I do something partially because I want to make my wife happy, does not mean I am a sub.
In another person's case I'd agree, but in this case you are specifically at her beck and call.
I've seen it, you're somewhere between her handler and her servant. The only times you even question what's going on is when her orders are too tall, which considering how she behaves when she's not getting her way is a big "go figure".
You dont know whats going on behind the scenes, all you know is you want my big fat 9 inch cock. You demonize her and see what you want to see, as usual. You have double standards for our relationship but not others.
She's going with or without me, like she said she would the day I met her. I just choose to go with her, just like she chose to stay here for so long, and put up with my dad, and my bullshit, and be somewhere she hates.
Ahh, she Ultimatum'd the minute you started to find your own path.
If you said no she'd probably have stayed behind, but I get it, you think she'd pick Hawaii over you.
No she said this from the beginning before she started officially dating me. You wrote that timeline in your own head. She said no relationship would keep her out of Hawaii except with certain exceptions. Again, grasping for straws because you want to grasp for mine.
tpp said:If you want an honest take, Turncoat, your lack of caring isn't a particularly big character flaw.
Your biggest character flaw is that you hold grudges and, when pushed, view everything as black and white to the point that you lose all ability to see anything besides your own narrative. A person is either a saint or the devil to you. Once you get into a disagreement, all rapport and understanding goes out the window. This one character flaw has caused you trouble countless times here. It's the one character flaw of yours that everyone here is aware of.
I'd say your best character trait is that you're humble.
Did i say you could hust waltz right up and keep giving your beta opinion on my marriage? You are hardly in my life, you dont know me, and you especially don't know my wife. You have time and time again crossed boundaries with your disrespect and your know it all attitude, no one asked for your intergection.
You mean you do what she wants, amirite?
It's fine though dude, there's nothing wrong with being a sub. You don't have to pretend that everything you're doing here is purely your own idea or plan, it's hers, and as a matter of power dynamics it may not be traditional but it's otherwise something plenty of people find themselves doing.Right, she was here for three years. She was miserable. I thought if I found ways to keep her here she would learn to be happy, but she never was.
What makes you think Hawaii will make her any happier other than maybe a time where she feels like she got her way?
Past a point she will have successfully isolated you from all you were once connected to, and once you make new connections it'll just be the same problems all over again except on a tropical island.No, it was her who worked hard to reconnect me with family members and she had even pushed me to see them. She even helped me stop being mad at certain family members, even members who hate her. She does the opposite to that. Its others who attack her while she smiles on the sidelines trying to straighten shit out. A family member will sexually harass her time and time again and all she does is feel guilty and try to help me forgive that family member and smooth things over. There were many times when she could have made me never want to speak to some members of my family again, but she did the opposite.
She stopped eating, sleeping, or smiling. Her hair started to fall out, and all she ever did was cry and it was lame. Even her singing was only ever about that place.
How is Hawaii supposed to fix this beyond a placebo improvement? Go figure if she stopped eating and sleeping to make a point that she'd become unhealthy, stress out, and potentially lose hair and cry and shit. This is just her throwing a tantrum until she gets what she wants, and at the end of the day you're the type to give in to what takes less time to think about rather than find a different path.
There isn't some magical property Hawaii has that will fix the problems going on here, this is you blaming yourself for everything that you see her going through, which is why she wears the pants in this relationship and calls the shots enough to have yourself doing whatever she wants.
She's homesick it's not that complicated. No she isnt throwing a tantrum someone cannot fake for that long. And she cant control if her hair falls out or not. You have a lot of damn nerve. You assume a lot of shit, and its hilarious. You have no grounds to read between the lines this much.
Again, speaking as a sub myself I completely understand. I just wish the one you were subbing with had enough self control that you didn't have to compensate over it this much. As a sub it's easier to find peace when you know your respective dom can be trusted to know what they're doing.Again with the projection.
Just because I do something partially because I want to make my wife happy, does not mean I am a sub.
In another person's case I'd agree, but in this case you are specifically at her beck and call.
I've seen it, you're somewhere between her handler and her servant. The only times you even question what's going on is when her orders are too tall, which considering how she behaves when she's not getting her way is a big "go figure".You dont know whats going on behind the scenes, all you know is you want my big fat 9 inch cock. You demonize her and see what you want to see, as usual. You have double standards for our relationship but not others.
She's going with or without me, like she said she would the day I met her. I just choose to go with her, just like she chose to stay here for so long, and put up with my dad, and my bullshit, and be somewhere she hates.
Ahh, she Ultimatum'd the minute you started to find your own path.
If you said no she'd probably have stayed behind, but I get it, you think she'd pick Hawaii over you.No she said this from the beginning before she started officially dating me. You wrote that timeline in your own head. She said no relationship would keep her out of Hawaii except with certain exceptions. Again, grasping for straws because you want to grasp for mine.
tpp said:If you want an honest take, Turncoat, your lack of caring isn't a particularly big character flaw.
Your biggest character flaw is that you hold grudges and, when pushed, view everything as black and white to the point that you lose all ability to see anything besides your own narrative. A person is either a saint or the devil to you. Once you get into a disagreement, all rapport and understanding goes out the window. This one character flaw has caused you trouble countless times here. It's the one character flaw of yours that everyone here is aware of.
I'd say your best character trait is that you're humble.
He doesn't respect me enough to take into consideration what I say about my own thoughts in my own head. He can suck my dick. Only acted like my bro to be a troll.
Turncoat, man you respect me so little that not only do you ignore what I say about my own wife, who I have spoken with, and talked with over the years. I know her far better than you. You respect me so little, that you would rather dismiss me, all to validate you're own bias against her. You want to type on your keyboard about my relationship, when you dont even know my wife. And clearly you dont know me, you could know me, but understanding requires listening sometimes. Suck my 9 inch mega cock. Even now Delora is trying to calm me down saying you mean well, while you bash not only her, but also me. Hey doc, when my wife and I went to couples therapy, the first thing the therapist did was ask me about my wife, but that seems to be the last thing you do. Did you know we went to counseling? Did you ask?
Did i say you could hust waltz right up and keep giving your beta opinion on my marriage?
From one beta to another, yes.
Once you logged back on here to defend yourself you opened yourself up for the conversation to be on here instead of in private. These are otherwise the same things I'd be talking about in DM, and considering that I don't find the sub lifestyle shameful I don't see why you ought to either.
You are hardly in my life, you dont know me, and you especially don't know my wife.
You both have divulged so much on this website that I wouldn't have needed in person introductions to understand the situation. I'd also go as far as to claim the very same two things about yourself, you're clearly confused and overstimulated by what's currently going on, and that you're making this much of a ruckus shows that you have some level of doubt over your choice to go with her.
Why is it offensive to be seen as the secondary member of your relationship? Should I be finding myself ashamed of being the secondary member of mine?
You mean you do what she wants, amirite?
It's fine though dude, there's nothing wrong with being a sub. You don't have to pretend that everything you're doing here is purely your own idea or plan, it's hers, and as a matter of power dynamics it may not be traditional but it's otherwise something plenty of people find themselves doing.Right, she was here for three years. She was miserable. I thought if I found ways to keep her here she would learn to be happy, but she never was.
What makes you think Hawaii will make her any happier other than maybe a time where she feels like she got her way?
Past a point she will have successfully isolated you from all you were once connected to, and once you make new connections it'll just be the same problems all over again except on a tropical island.No, it was her who worked hard to reconnect me with family members and she had even pushed me to see them.
You mean to see how she saw your family as trying to sexually assault her and otherwise a 'problem in your life' constantly, even as they tried to teach you a trade skill and offered you a place to be by yourself to collect yourself? She's constantly aiming to isolate you from all other people, she can't stand other people and as far as she's concerned why should you?
She's trying to play you against your family, and her getting you to Hawaii is the ultimate victory there. There's nowhere you two have been able to go together where you aren't having to pick up the pieces in ways that damage your relationships, and if they aim to persevere without tolerating her she makes you go away from them.
If you ask me, no reasonable person should have to deal with her behavior.
She even helped me stop being mad at certain family members, even members who hate her.
She's what made problems with them in the first place, you're a victim of gaslighting from someone who can't even recognize when they're doing it.
Its others who attack her while she smiles on the sidelines trying to straighten shit out.
She starts the majority of her fights, then plays the victim over believed negative traits of her 'enemies'. She picks them over how they otherwise have these flaws in the first place to pre-excuse herself, and you both don't explore the issue enough yourself to see how she starts them and you start every circumstance with her version already whispered in your ear.
You will always end up siding with her version because you make it so easy to.
A family member will sexually harass her time and time again and all she does is feel guilty and try to help me forgive that family member and smooth things over.
Holy shit you're actually believing that your 'member of the family' is sexually assaulting her?
You're doomed then.
There were many times when she could have made me never want to speak to some members of my family again, but she did the opposite.
She's already tried, but when you didn't respond she had to switch up her strategy.
You're her thrall, your need to protect her makes you her slave. This wouldn't be such a bad fate if she wasn't otherwise threatening both you and herself at the same time so that you'd play ball.
She owns you dude.
Do you have plans for Hawaii, BR? Hula hula.
Oh yeah, man the first thing we are going to do is go to the nearby blacksand beach. The other thing we are going to do is backpack around the island. My wife is a little apprehensive, but she agreed to do it with me. I can't wait to go. Same story with going down to kona and having some kona coffee for old times sake, that coffee is high quality.
She stopped eating, sleeping, or smiling. Her hair started to fall out, and all she ever did was cry and it was lame. Even her singing was only ever about that place.
How is Hawaii supposed to fix this beyond a placebo improvement? Go figure if she stopped eating and sleeping to make a point that she'd become unhealthy, stress out, and potentially lose hair and cry and shit. This is just her throwing a tantrum until she gets what she wants, and at the end of the day you're the type to give in to what takes less time to think about rather than find a different path.
There isn't some magical property Hawaii has that will fix the problems going on here, this is you blaming yourself for everything that you see her going through, which is why she wears the pants in this relationship and calls the shots enough to have yourself doing whatever she wants.She's homesick it's not that complicated. No she isnt throwing a tantrum someone cannot fake for that long. And she cant control if her hair falls out or not. You have a lot of damn nerve. You assume a lot of shit, and its hilarious. You have no grounds to read between the lines this much.
You just don't want to see her part in all of this, as you've refused to see for years. Every so often you almost do, but then something she does has you thinking it's everyone else's fault.
There's no saving you when you're just as much at fault as she is through enabling her to continue. You will see the same thing happen again and again for years of your life, but I hope for your sake that in time you'll recognize the repetitions.
Again, speaking as a sub myself I completely understand. I just wish the one you were subbing with had enough self control that you didn't have to compensate over it this much. As a sub it's easier to find peace when you know your respective dom can be trusted to know what they're doing.
Again with the projection.
Unlike you I'm lucky enough to know I can trust my handler. I've gained much by following her path that I wouldn't have found on my own.
Your submissive path however is one of the appeasement of an insane person, one who will never truly be happy beyond the moment. She's already explained to me how she can ignore the reality of a situation over feeling as if she's better than that reality, so there's no real means of fixing the situation when she otherwise can just reinvent the situation to make herself the victim every time.
What's more baffling is over how you can believe her every single time.
Just because I do something partially because I want to make my wife happy, does not mean I am a sub.
In another person's case I'd agree, but in this case you are specifically at her beck and call.
I've seen it, you're somewhere between her handler and her servant. The only times you even question what's going on is when her orders are too tall, which considering how she behaves when she's not getting her way is a big "go figure".You dont know whats going on behind the scenes, all you know is you want my big fat 9 inch cock. You demonize her and see what you want to see, as usual. You have double standards for our relationship but not others.
"You don't know" is a flimsy defense, it's all you have at this point.
You don't know either's the sad part, this forum overall has a better idea of who she is than you do. I don't even need to focus on my own study of this when you're blatantly ignoring the obvious, an obvious that even the least invested here can pick out without help.
I get how love blinds, especially when the one using it against you knows all your buttons. Naturally we're going to see what you don't when we aren't being promised sex if we look the other way.
She's going with or without me, like she said she would the day I met her. I just choose to go with her, just like she chose to stay here for so long, and put up with my dad, and my bullshit, and be somewhere she hates.
Ahh, she Ultimatum'd the minute you started to find your own path.
If you said no she'd probably have stayed behind, but I get it, you think she'd pick Hawaii over you.No she said this from the beginning before she started officially dating me. You wrote that timeline in your own head. She said no relationship would keep her out of Hawaii except with certain exceptions. Again, grasping for straws because you want to grasp for mine.
You were starting to find your own path, she made a threat to leave, now you're throwing everything behind you to follow her. It's really that simple.
I was proud of seeing you find your own path with the help of your family, but you'd rather throw all of that away.