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Xadem said: 

Caring means diverting part of your limited attention to the subject, which identifies you with it.

Precisely, yet a lot of people I've been meeting seem so tired of caring that they'd rather not even bother with it, dropping even the pretense that they could care about something. 

That implies that your time is as valuable as the subject you care about, which can be a shameful in our time obsessed society where we're obsessed with perfect time management.

Yet I see people end up with a ton of free time and no idea what to do with it, all the while having no idea about their own sense of self-identity from thinking they can just shed it from their being by ignoring it. By trying to 'not care', they can't even allow themselves the room to invest in things they may very well be passionate about. 

At this point, explaining to people why I choose to care about things has a lot give me a: 

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After that, if they can be made to discuss their own personal shit they were formerly saying "Doesn't matter", they look relieved, like they let a load off their shoulders they didn't even know was there. Even as they notice themselves making statements of weakness they try to circumvent it with "I don't care" and try to bury it. 

I just don't get it, if you don't let yourself care about anything then what do you even have left? 


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last edit on 8/11/2021 7:32:53 PM
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cx3 said: 

I blame the "don't give a fuck" mentality. Not giving a fuck is perpetuated as a "power" in many instances and is often seen as the solution to everything. "I have an opinion" I don't give a fuck. "I care about this cause" I don't give a fuck. The art of not giving a fuck has its place but feels overused as a "rule of all things" currently. Just my opinion.

I'm on the same page, but I mostly see it out of men, the ones who as children are told to bury their problems, never cry, and to stop being such a whiner. 

I should not be getting into so many people's good graces by just giving them the room to speak their mind, but sure enough their friends don't want to hear about any of it and in time they grow to accept that about both them and themselves. I also shouldn't be seen as powerful or whatever for just being able to share my feelings, but their seeing an unjudging environment has so many just unload everything, as if they figure this may be their only opportunity. 

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I've been self-examining this quite a bit.  People want to not care so they can avoid the pain one can feel...  One makes themselves vulnerable, or at least *believes* they are vulnerable.

They still end up in pain's the problem, they just can't identify it. The ignorance of themselves is also the root to repetitious cycles they could very well escape if they'd just let themselves think about it. 

Oddly enough, taking these nootropics and supplements to alter oxytocin, I was better able to manage the ups and downs of ordinary emotions, stress, etc.  My ADHD was better, or at least not as stressful.  There were other positive changes.  The negative seemed to be that other emotions and attachments were heightened and longer-lasting.  Emotions were able to reach deeper and actually be explored more.  Now, as I've been gradually going off these things, I already feel the slide back into shallower emotion, detachment and more cognitive empathy-style thinking.

Do you think you'd be able to carry any of that into your shallower mindset? Would you say you were better off with intense feelings, or worse? 

What has changed?  What has remained?  I don't know.

You still have the experiences you can carry with you, which could be enough for you to still explore your feelings in spite of the shift. 

As regards caring -- to bring it back on-topic -- I think one can examine neurobiological impacts of the environment the state of our culture and society is undergoing.  There is heightened sensitivity, reactionary societal outrage, the rumblings of potential violence in some places, massive uncertainty and hyper-awareness.  People are pacifying themselves into numbness. 

True that, it's a big part of how the artful aspect of drug culture is changing in the present day. 

Every so often we get an art renaissance from drugs, but more often we see people using it to numb themselves, to get "Turnt up". By recognizing that they have no power over the outcomes of their world they're stuck finding ways to either control their more immediate environment or themselves. A lot of the "I don't care" types I've met have at least one vice that helps them keep up that mentality, but in the end it builds a queue of stress they past a point can't even recognize anymore, that they blame on not having something in their system. 

Even our music aims to numb us more now, reminding us to breathe and to let go and shit. The war we've found ourselves in as a society is not a physical one, but rather a spiritual one. 

The extreme reactions are being compensated by opposite and equal attempts of extreme reaction.  People in the middle try to find their solace in detached disillusionment, probably.

So sort of like how I felt like eating the food in question during PETA videos to see if I should continue to eat meat? 

I think in the modern age that the middle ground of caring is healthier. To care too much is a poison too, especially if you're flooding yourself with World News, but you can be informed of the problems in this world without having to do something about it directly. 

You should enjoy the emotions you have.  All of them.  If you didn't have any, you'd be dead.  That's no fun at all.

Agreed. 

I think the fear revolves around a sense of control being lost or something.  As though caring means you won't be in control of your emotional life, at the whims of the fate of others, etc. 
I see self control by contrast as being able to see what might trigger you without becoming triggered by it, by having once cared enough to become jaded to it in an informed way. 

The hardest thing to do these days is to choose to care, to notice that something got your attention somewhere deep and try to not bury it. 

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last edit on 8/11/2021 7:49:51 PM
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It's not that complicated; I assume you're probing, you should give some input as well.

The specificity of the individual is everything in response to this question, and I try to do that further into topics as to not end up steering the entire conversation that follows it. 

I otherwise remember Chet's 'Honeypot' topics as people began to call them, so I've been trying to not be that person. 

Not caring = above the shit/"you can't affect me with this." I hate to break it to you, but I don't care. You know how much I don't care? Look at you being all smug, thinking I'm invested in something just because I express the opposite of it. But guess what, I already knew you would think that way. And not for one moment or modicum did I change my mind. I seriously don't care, and even though you think I do because I'm typing this...guess what: I don't care.

I've meanwhile been inverting this at people from how often the "I don't care" mantra is professed, and consequently they act confused over how I could stand strong with the banner of "Caring is Good". 


As for my own situation with this, I'm focused on it from trying to shed the "I don't care"s from my life. I spent the larger part of my childhood doing the "I don't care" cope as well and it drove me batty with time. Once I was able to unload I realized a lot more epiphanies, such as how weaknesses being known by others doesn't always mean they can prey upon those weaknesses, how said weaknesses through exposure can be rendered moot through Wisdom and Experience with it's divulgence, and how anything that could go wrong as it seems in my head is never as bad as the IRL outcome when it comes to pass. 

Ultimately, I see "I care" as a statement of liberation, and often can ask how someone could care so much about not caring by contrast to my point of not having to care about how I care. By showing how much I allow myself to care about something defiantly they see me not giving a fuck about something they didn't even see as a weakness until then, and as a result some model after it and end up unloading some very repressed shit. 

TLDR; I've spent so much of my life caring too much about not caring, and now I see the other side of the spectrum as strength. 

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TLDR; I've spent so much of my life caring too much about not caring, and now I see the other side of the spectrum as strength.

You've spent much of your life caring too much about not caring..? Or about being seen as though you do not care?

This explains so much.... Yet you persist in doing it by refusing to give me the attention I clearly crave for, merely because others baited you into it. I have your avatar, for fuck's sake. You care.

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tpp said: 
TLDR; I've spent so much of my life caring too much about not caring, and now I see the other side of the spectrum as strength.

You've spent much of your life caring too much about not caring..? Or about being seen as though you do not care?

I wanted to not care, so I felt like I had to put myself through trials to make myself stop caring about it, similar to the idea of "Letting go of your worldly tethers" as is professed by Eastern religion. I felt like enough exposure to things would jade me of it so that I don't have to let it get to me at all, but after seeing enough emotional buriers I've found more strength and understanding in letting myself feel things. 

This explains so much.... Yet you persist in doing it by refusing to give me the attention I clearly crave for, merely because others baited you into it. I have your avatar, for fuck's sake. You care.

I was on a road trip and you weren't a pressing matter, so nothing came of it in the immediate sense. It's also not the first time someone's tried walking in my avatars, which itself is pretty neat as that means more people want to use the images I've cultivated. 

The girl you have in your avatar's a pretty awesome person imo. 

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I wanted to not care, so I felt like I had to put myself through trials to make myself stop caring about it, similar to the idea of "Letting go of your worldly tethers" as is professed by Eastern religion. I felt like enough exposure to things would jade me of it so that I don't have to let it get to me at all, but after seeing enough emotional buriers I've found more strength and understanding in letting myself feel things.

I have no idea what about the idea of not caring fascinated you. I factually don't care. And I don't care about caring either. You could say I'm the ultimate transformation of the past you.... But I don't take any particular pride in it.

I was on a road trip and you weren't a pressing matter,

Excuse me?

 

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tpp said: 

I wanted to not care, so I felt like I had to put myself through trials to make myself stop caring about it, similar to the idea of "Letting go of your worldly tethers" as is professed by Eastern religion. I felt like enough exposure to things would jade me of it so that I don't have to let it get to me at all, but after seeing enough emotional buriers I've found more strength and understanding in letting myself feel things.

I have no idea what about the idea of not caring fascinated you. I factually don't care. And I don't care about caring either. You could say I'm the ultimate transformation of the past you.... But I don't take any particular pride in it.

Why not care though? 

I was on a road trip and you weren't a pressing matter,

Excuse me?

You weren't, you presented harmlessly beyond the room it'd have to potentially confuse people. 

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Why not care though? 

I am incapable of caring.

You weren't, you presented harmlessly beyond the room it'd have to potentially confuse people.

I guess it was a little half-assed.... You know why.

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you're giving it away now

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