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AizenTheTitanic said: 

Turncoat said:

I'd rather be the advisor to someone than the one with my face on the label.

advisors can be everyone

Not good ones. 

If anything a way to counter the dunning kruger effect is to grab two people who're rational and ask them to evaluate each other/ judge each other constantly, even make decisions for each other

What gauges their rationality in this case though, our own? 

Turncoat said:

Your pride sounds like it's the source of your unhappiness.

you assume i am unhappy, because you project how you would feel if you were me, with your own cognitive bias 

From my own understanding of people and myself, you don't give me the impression of happiness, nor one of comfort. You're doing some sort of "work on yourself" shtick right now over how your former form didn't do enough for you, and from a lack of self-identity I'm not sure if you'd even know how you feel beyond the construct. 

Your model is that you flood your head with motivational words and about how the world bends towards your will, that if you fail you simply did not will hard enough. From how you said you don't even have to believe in it to say it, that makes it sound like autohypnosis or some shit. 

Turncoat said:

Why is compromise so bad? It's the byproduct of adaptation during a clash.

if you need to adapt is cause you can't dominate

Strongly disagree, the weakest doms are the ones who can't adapt to their sub. 

You ever see the ones that try to foist contrasts? Weak Doms are the funniest people. I'm more impressed by one who's learned how to push another through their buttons, but then again that tends to come with Sadists. 

Turncoat said:

To rush towards compromise is a Fallacy of Gray; The insistence that the middle-ground must be right, but to be unwilling to compromise at all is simply stubborn. Life itself forces one to compromise, to adapt, or be crushed by the weight of those who will. It is from compromise that societies are built in the first place, even down to having running water and electricity and stuff.

middle ground is an illusion

So we agree? 

machiavelli already debunked the "neutrality" cope in some of his work, read it

So have logical fallacies and a bunch of other things, but there is still value in the willingness for it as long as it's not always assumed to be the better way. 

Turncoat said:

What's wrong with flexibility though?

i never said "wrong or right" in any of my statements or responses, you did

It seems like the implication towards the value of hard, binary planning is in a lot of these posts. 

Turncoat said:

Have you ever tried a kill them with kindness strategy?

i don't have any kindness to give to insects, i keep that for things that matter

So not even as a strategy? 

Have you ever thought of having Mr. Rogers or Bob Ross as your effigy? It might fuck with some people. 

Turncoat said:

Is it that it's easier to see us as larpers and trolls?

"trust issue" that sounds personal, trust about what? who? or "easier to see us as blah blah"

Believe me, speaking as a paranoid subtype of schizoaffective, it's more than possible to have trust issues over strangers, easier even. 

sounds like you don't like how i just grab everyone and put them into a very very low tier model

2 people online have done so far out of 500.000 or so... good luck, and words can't do it, i need to see actions and lack of fronting

Online, actions and words are practically the same. I'd argue as much over IRL as well, as their words still grant the room to gauge for hypocrisies and the like. 

Turncoat said:

Doesn't this mean you desire to live up to a model? Sounds like a desire to conform mixed with an inability to trust others' templates.

i live up to elitistic models, others live up to their personal models, hence my models are superior

So you admit to conforming to another's idea of perfection, aka 'The Elite'? 

I say fuck being elite, such actions are masturbatory. I'd rather be real without having to bludgeon myself enough times to become someone else through symbols and effigies. 

Turncoat said:

Impossible, everyone telegraphs. There's training to reduce the amount of steps you have in a move but there will always be something that gives it away. It's a matter of body language, you have to move to strike and there's going time between the move and the hit, which is why it pays to be tricky and deceptive rather than just bludgeoning the dude.

This is why it's useful to learn feints, and to otherwise try to make multiple moves look like they have the same telegraph.

it's impossible for combinations, by telegraph i mean no movement that indicates that you will attack with a specific body part, in theory however every movement can be considered a telegraph

that's not what i mean, i mean lack of the shitty-type of telegraphs, like people waving their fist before punching etc

Those can make very clever feints, especially if you dupe the enemy into thinking you're predictable.

To quote the Jade Warlord from Forbidden Kingdom when fighting his greatest enemy: "Martial art is based on deception, my friend."

Turncoat said:

I don't see how any sense of justice could be objective beyond the argument of sociological tenants.

you lost every opportunity to do so when you attempted to connect objective justice to social standards/ social structures/ human opinions

It's the closest we have to anything objective, as we can see the patterns appearing time and time again across our species even in other countries. Past a point as broad as that it's all subjective. 

AizenTheTitanic said: 

Turncoat said:

And this is more about convincing yourself than any of us, right?

you can't convince anyone about anything

Excuse me? 

Do I need to link you a bunch of Derren Brown as a counter-argument? 

is about proving it to myself, in my eyes i already won against everyone the moment i didn't let reality change me, you all did

I don't see being stubborn as winning. I've definitely seen my share of "I'm not convinced, so I win", but I wouldn't claim someone else lost if I didn't end up changing my mind by the end of it. 

Turncoat said:

What defines success though? I find pleasure from it and handle it responsibly, so what's the problem?

Why would I feel any need to drop pegging beyond some sort of homo-fears or whatever?

there we go again with the hedonism cope, you realize that hedonism is equally coping- to stoicism right?

Only if it's as an escape from something else, and it's only hedonism when you've gone too far. Hedonism is by designed meant to embrace excess, while I believe in "Less is More" in many respects. 

just cause something FEELS right, that doesn't mean IT IS RIGHT

you need to understand that fr

What's wrong with anal then? I can go on and on about how amazing it is from experiences beyond description, while others can only say "That's gay dude" or something about prolapsed anuses. 

oh fuck, alright i will respond today

almost lost this thread lolololol

It looks like ignorance that followed life experience.

ignoring something to set priorities isn't ignorance after life experience

You never stop facing anything unless you're avoiding it, what changes is to what degree it's faced.

you can always move on completely

Hedonism is to seek only pleasure, and it usually has pitfalls from not planning ahead.

If you've cultivated a setting that can keep you happy without decay, where's the issue?

i don't like happiness, simple, i like constant struggle, discomfort and constant evolution

It's Occam's Razor imo, it'd be a more complicated situation if it was on every single other person instead.

that complexity can become simplicity if you use parameters instead of personal thoughts/ emotions

Having watched enough other people talk to other people, I've seen them bring about different conclusions and clashes than the themes that tend to come from talking with me. We can only bring about so many situations due to our own shortcomings, and it is often through the words or eyes of another that we can transcend our own limitations, see what is otherwise unseen.

you can observe yourself objectively, the best others can do is point it out to you transparently enough for you to face it

You can't not include yourself, we can only see that which our own perceptions allow.

As an old friend of mine coined, "Perception is Reality."

that's the dumbest saying ever, there's objective reality, if anything perception is the opposite of reality cause it's biased, filtered by subjective, and relative, there's objective reality, it has been proved mathematically

What is versus isn't useful though isn't something we always know until after.

you can know through experience, or predeterminism - foresight

Considering that I cannot check on those myself, I can't really say for or against how well you did.

well apparently you had a chance to check up just today xD, ironic isn't it

Why not?

cause i tested everything about myself there is to test ( almost) i got 2 more stages or so 

good advisors are rare no doubt, but good advice is relative

teacher - student relation ships are more based on interpretation and actual combability than " good advice or not" remember that people translate a lot of things with their own bias, hence combability beats any form of "good advice"

What gauges their rationality in this case though, our own?

From my own understanding of people and myself, you don't give me the impression of happiness, nor one of comfort. You're doing some sort of "work on yourself" shtick right now over how your former form didn't do enough for you, and from a lack of self-identity I'm not sure if you'd even know how you feel beyond the construct.

Your model is that you flood your head with motivational words and about how the world bends towards your will, that if you fail you simply did not will hard enough. From how you said you don't even have to believe in it to say it, that makes it sound like autohypnosis or some shit.

not if i continue prove it with actions

again happiness isn't my goal, i feel content, and say what you will, i had major depression and was suicidal after i did my self training i went to a doctor and without prescription or therapy i literally cured depression, they still don't believe me, most likely you won't either doesn't matter

my evolution will continue in every level and eventually with a lot of sacrifices, i will reach that ideal

when that happens it will be crystal clear even from the most denial-incuded parasites that i was correct all along

Strongly disagree, the weakest doms are the ones who can't adapt to their sub.

You ever see the ones that try to foist contrasts? Weak Doms are the funniest people. I'm more impressed by one who's learned how to push another through their buttons, but then again that tends to come with Sadists.

fittest- weakest are completely different terms, i recommend researching that fr, your ideology confuses the two a lot, fitting - to a model the best doesn't mean OBJECTIVELY strong 

So have logical fallacies and a bunch of other things, but there is still value in the willingness for it as long as it's not always assumed to be the better way.

assumptions are stupid, i always test, conduct, conclude, always

So not even as a strategy?

Have you ever thought of having Mr. Rogers or Bob Ross as your effigy? It might fuck with some people.

i could use kindness as an art but i see it as way too cheap and pathetic, fucking with people is just an experiment again, not the goal

Believe me, speaking as a paranoid subtype of schizoaffective, it's more than possible to have trust issues over strangers, easier even.

i never trusted anyone in my entire life, seriously, and i don't regret it, i always assumed the very worst possible, and i still went full it invested and all, especially when i was younger, i didn't regret it at all, it allowed me to get spoon fed with all the worst - possible scenarios 

I see no value in devaluing others, but rather in valuing those who are not used to it.

devaluing on its own it's useless yeah, but winning against others is partially devaluing too, i use it the most to see past the copes/ ego/ fronts of a person, so far it works fucking wonders, no better way to see what someone is made off but by attacking him relentlessly 

Online, actions and words are practically the same. I'd argue as much over IRL as well, as their words still grant the room to gauge for hypocrisies and the like.

depends on many factors, online you can adopt a speech that covers up your emotions very well, and only someone very intuitive will be able to tell, the normies - npcs wil lfall for it, if i type "xoxo ok sweetie muah" npc's will think idgaf and i am trolling, but behind the screen i might be overthinking - over planning or even being triggered

is the most common behavior i ever seen, are you seriously telling me you don't see it? it's literally like a form of what you do but more dumb

So you admit to conforming to another's idea of perfection, aka 'The Elite'?

no it's my own, unfortunately their own eliteness must be integrated to reach it, no other way around it, my plan is to beat that down too

I say fuck being elite, such actions are masturbatory. I'd rather be real without having to bludgeon myself enough times to become someone else through symbols and effigies.

i don't get what you mean by "being real" tbh, i can only be honest, authentic, and realistic, but real? in what aspect? to myself? others? both? cause that's always changing, just like peoples circumstances -emotions -needs to, claiming you can be constantly real shows low functionality or possibly arrgoance 

If it were that easy, boxing'd be an entirely different sport dude.

The first hit is very important, they can't combo if they can't connect. All of anyone's combo training's crap if they can just sidestep or parry the beginning of it, and even once in it there's plenty of ways to roll through the move to minimize the hurt.

gauging the distance is the most important and footwork plus eye coordination, boxing is hard af, rolling through the movement... impossible once you get into a slugfest

Those can make very clever feints, especially if you dupe the enemy into thinking you're predictable.

To quote the Jade Warlord from Forbidden Kingdom when fighting his greatest enemy: "Martial art is based on deception, my friend."

It's the closest we have to anything objective, as we can see the patterns appearing time and time again across our species even in other countries. Past a point as broad as that it's all subjective. 

deception doesn't work always, sometimes it's all about athletic performance in martial arts, it's not a chess game, fighting IQ - ability is totally different to tactics and strategy

Excuse me?

Do I need to link you a bunch of Derren Brown as a counter-argument?

disagree with him and you, for me you are only persuaded when you feel exactly what the person who makes the argument feels, agree completely with it, truly understand it, and can narrate it as well as he does, in fact even if you do all that you could be an occultist preaching para religion, so for me being persuaded, which mind you, every debate is more about two things: who sounds more logical - convinces the audience/ who can convince the other person the best, real debates are practically forms of teacher- student dynamics, so is that truly learning? nah, if an opinion can change cause of external forces, it's not acquired knowledge, acquired real knowledge should be absolute 

I don't see being stubborn as winning. I've definitely seen my share of "I'm not convinced, so I win", but I wouldn't claim someone else lost if I didn't end up changing my mind by the end of it.

what happens when you ask random people, from different ideologies, philosophies, who got no reason to lie to you, or even people who dislike you greatly, and they agreed you won? and the only person who doesn't is the loser? i see this shit happening sooooo much

Only if it's as an escape from something else, and it's only hedonism when you've gone too far. Hedonism is by designed meant to embrace excess, while I believe in "Less is More" in many respects.

do you have any arguments to make that people don't escape a form of negativyt by chasing happiness/ positivity?

you know that as long as you seek something is cause you lack it right? and lacking it literally means the sate- of not having it - the stage your desire to escape basically 

What's wrong with anal then? I can go on and on about how amazing it is from experiences beyond description, while others can only say "That's gay dude" or something about prolapsed anuses.

idk what's wrong with anal, and i won't go with the gay - homo -faggot - far right /far left standard with you, i will go with with smth different

before being a person you are an orgamism

the ultimate purpose of an organism, with no personality, no character, no emotions, is to reproeduce, pass its dna that's revolution, that's how we came to exist, through history, our race, dna, is all that

when you get pegged, become faggot/ bi whatever or you race mix, you practically <<betray>> your own bloodline, aka your own course of revolution

now you can tell me that "idgaf about that" okay, maybe you don't or " how exactly do i betray it?" 

but speaking elistically cause i always speak like that, any type of sexual intercourse that doesn't optimize you passing your genes, isn't organism - wise optimal

for me, i want to succeed as an organism first of all, a creature, and human/ person/ happiness come secondary

if you don't care about than then we will never make sense with each other 

AizenTheTitanic said: 

Turncoat said:

It looks like ignorance that followed life experience.

ignoring something to set priorities isn't ignorance after life experience

Why not? It's still choosing to ignore it, which in the present and future form becomes ignorance in lieu of past experience. 

It's when we get comfortable that we become soft and weak. 

Turncoat said:

You never stop facing anything unless you're avoiding it, what changes is to what degree it's faced.

you can always move on completely

I find 'moving on completely' to be wishful thinking if there isn't some sort of degenerative brain disease or damages up there otherwise. 

I've never seen someone move on from something fully, but I have seen them minimize the festering within old wounds. The more someone believes themselves to be completely over something, the more they open themselves up to someone else pushing those buttons. 

It's through the acceptance of our own weaknesses that the impacts can be minimized, while to say they are gone or were never there at all is to leave that area underdeveloped. 

Turncoat said:

Hedonism is to seek only pleasure, and it usually has pitfalls from not planning ahead.

If you've cultivated a setting that can keep you happy without decay, where's the issue?

i don't like happiness, simple, i like constant struggle, discomfort and constant evolution

What kind of satisfaction does it grant you if it's not happiness? 

Why not enjoy the best tasting food you've never tried, walk around and rest in places you've never been, and otherwise stretch the bounds of ones' perceptions through seeing the sheer variety within what life has to offer? Novelty is abound, and the only one who could limit that from us is ourselves. 

Turncoat said:

It's Occam's Razor imo, it'd be a more complicated situation if it was on every single other person instead.

that complexity can become simplicity if you use parameters instead of personal thoughts/ emotions

Not when you're dealing with the thoughts and emotions of others. We can only learn how others operate through relativity, and if there's a constant present I can't help but focus on the consistent element. 

If I were eat 100 different kinds of chocolate and hated the taste of it every time, is that on me or chocolate? 

Turncoat said:

Having watched enough other people talk to other people, I've seen them bring about different conclusions and clashes than the themes that tend to come from talking with me. We can only bring about so many situations due to our own shortcomings, and it is often through the words or eyes of another that we can transcend our own limitations, see what is otherwise unseen.

you can observe yourself objectively, the best others can do is point it out to you transparently enough for you to face it

How can any of us even hope to gauge objectivity alone? There's no basis for it without some essence of relativity. 

Turncoat said:

You can't not include yourself, we can only see that which our own perceptions allow.

As an old friend of mine coined, "Perception is Reality."

that's the dumbest saying ever, there's objective reality

I'm more inclined to see what we perceived as subjective and collective realities. If we even saw the objective reality we wouldn't know the difference. The variation between people's perceptions gives us reason to doubt our own perspective the more we explore the worlds others believe themselves to live in, and I find those sheer differences humbling (ie: sonder). 

If I were to believe that what I saw was objective and that the world conscribed to my will, I'd probably be going full blown Open Scroll on people: 



A lack of trust in the self is the first step towards detaching from the self. Once no longer bound by your own worldly tethers it can become that much easier to see the real world. 

if anything perception is the opposite of reality cause it's biased, filtered by subjective, and relative, there's objective reality, it has been proved mathematically

That's basically the irony of the expression, as he recognized that as all one could see. 

He went on more about this sort of thing as he and I spoke on Ecclesiastes. 

Turncoat said:

Why not?

cause i tested everything about myself there is to test ( almost) i got 2 more stages or so 

How could you presume to think it's everything about you? I've been around for a little over three decades now and I'm still finding surprises when I'm thrown into a change of scenery. 

It's easy to assume we know the world when our world is small. Since being exposed to more states and countries I've since re-evaluated my notions on predictability, working to find the spectrums of behavior that conform across cultures in spite of said cultures, and what sorts of behaviors can surface because of the specifics within their culture that you'd be less liable to find anywhere else (like Paris Syndrome). 

Paul Ekman's pretty neat for that kind of study. 

AizenTheTitanic said:

Turncoat said:

What is versus isn't useful though isn't something we always know until after.

you can know through experience, or predeterminism - foresight

Experience makes sense, but what is this about foresight? 

 i am kinda in a transaction phase rn so when move on to the next stage will continue this 

AizenTheTitanic said: 

Turncoat said:

What gauges their rationality in this case though, our own?

From my own understanding of people and myself, you don't give me the impression of happiness, nor one of comfort. You're doing some sort of "work on yourself" shtick right now over how your former form didn't do enough for you, and from a lack of self-identity I'm not sure if you'd even know how you feel beyond the construct.

Your model is that you flood your head with motivational words and about how the world bends towards your will, that if you fail you simply did not will hard enough. From how you said you don't even have to believe in it to say it, that makes it sound like autohypnosis or some shit.

not if i continue prove it with actions'

again happiness isn't my goal, i feel content, and say what you will, i had major depression and was suicidal after i did my self training i went to a doctor and without prescription or therapy i literally cured depression, they still don't believe me, most likely you won't either doesn't matter

You sure it was depression rather than being depressed? 

Feeling depressed is a common enough relatable experience, but depression is more like being so out of fuel that everything's too heavy to do or even think about. 

my evolution will continue in every level and eventually with a lot of sacrifices, i will reach that ideal

when that happens it will be crystal clear even from the most denial-incuded parasites that i was correct all along

Does others seeing that you were correct matter? That yet again makes it sound more about them than yourself. 

Turncoat said:

Strongly disagree, the weakest doms are the ones who can't adapt to their sub.

You ever see the ones that try to foist contrasts? Weak Doms are the funniest people. I'm more impressed by one who's learned how to push another through their buttons, but then again that tends to come with Sadists.

fittest- weakest are completely different terms, i recommend researching that fr, your ideology confuses the two a lot, fitting - to a model the best doesn't mean OBJECTIVELY strong 

I'm not sure I understand what that means in relation to what I just said, I was going on about the weak versus the strong when it comes to dominants. 

Weak doms are seriously laughable shit, I'll see about some videos that showcase the differences. Not all kink is some kind of larp, there's naturals who have it present in their real self rather than wearing it like a suit. For those who ascribe to the paths of power, women tend to make better doms than men from having faced harsher challenges growing up when compared to the privilege that follows masculinity, even in the modern day. It's those who are counterculture who were strong enough to oppose the mold, while those who simply fall into it out of convenience are typically insecure narcs who can't stand it when things don't go their way (hence the servitude contracts and shit). 

So have logical fallacies and a bunch of other things, but there is still value in the willingness for it as long as it's not always assumed to be the better way.

assumptions are stupid, i always test, conduct, conclude, always

Have you tested compromising? How'd it go? 

Turncoat said:

So not even as a strategy?

Have you ever thought of having Mr. Rogers or Bob Ross as your effigy? It might fuck with some people.

 i could use kindness as an art but i see it as way too cheap and pathetic, fucking with people is just an experiment again, not the goal

Have you even seen what it does to people? Even shit like "Turn the other cheek" fucks with those who are trying to make you mad. 



If they want to get a rise out of you and all you give them in return is kindness, it short circuits the insecure and disarms the rest when it's done right. Politeness is itself a form of social martial art, but it's only strong when done when it's not a requirement, when it's not some safe space circle jerk where everyone feels superior over conforming to the same insulated model. 

Turncoat said:

Believe me, speaking as a paranoid subtype of schizoaffective, it's more than possible to have trust issues over strangers, easier even.

i never trusted anyone in my entire life, seriously, and i don't regret it, i always assumed the very worst possible, and i still went full it invested and all, especially when i was younger, i didn't regret it at all, it allowed me to get spoon fed with all the worst - possible scenarios 

If you've never trusted anyone in your entire life, then you don't know how you'd respond to trusting someone. 

The ones who push the hardest about the evils of trust tend to be the ones who hunger for it the most. In the end if they don't get a handle on it they sublimate it into other areas, typically the fame/infamy cope if not chronic lying. 

Turncoat said:

I see no value in devaluing others, but rather in valuing those who are not used to it.

devaluing on its own it's useless yeah, but winning against others is partially devaluing too, i use it the most to see past the copes/ ego/ fronts of a person, so far it works fucking wonders, no better way to see what someone is made off but by attacking him relentlessly 

I value others' coping mechanism and approaches even when they're petty, as many times there's still something to it. 

Take Turquie for example, on the surface she looks like a total loon but if you've seen how she's pushed other people by just being herself you'll see how her weaknesses are just as much a weapon against others as they are against herself. She's made fools of Tryp and Slay, two people you've had respect for once upon a time if not presently, clowning them with some pretty epic screencaps of their foolishness as they'd desperately try to damage control the situation.