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AizenTheTitanic said: 

time to resume our discussion-debate here

We left off around here. 

How would you see those possibilities if you already presume to understand it? How can you fill your cup if it's already full?

that's my point you stop seeing them, is like when you're so used to something you just start to passively ignore it

What we expect to see is precisely what serves to blind us from whatever else is there. This is part of what helps us grow by having others around us; They can see the things we didn't immediately pick up, and in time we might begin to see them too. Also on point with his rhetoric he expresses the value in witnessing others' shortcomings and failures as a means of avoiding it yourself.

that works if others can offer something you don't already know, if they can't, then it leads up to you feeding them/offering them, which yes it can be beneficial for your self-worth but that's only if your self-worth is at least partially connected to what you cause to others

i don't connect my shortcomings/failures to others, in fact if i fail i blame my incompetence on the spot and bring no excuses, people don't have that logic however, hence why i look down on them as "delusional" 

When you reduce it to the negative like that it becomes harder to listen to. This sort of conversion/reinterpretation of the texts serves to try to push others away by adjusting the tone of the message itself.

I didn't see his post as an attack against you, but rather a rebuttal against your ideas. He never directly attacked you with any of the rhetoric he was typing, he instead stuck to concepts.

i didn't take it as an attack, but my tone was aggressive to pass a point, he generalizes things too much based on his own experiences and cliches that some times just don't apply, people who do that deserve to be mentally spanked around

The hardest battle to win is that of submission, understanding one's place in the greater whole once they've climbed as high as they're likely to go.

i never submit, for me even happiness is inferior to my pride / standards, therefore any form of logical compromise to achieve inner peace is immediately dismissed 

This would have me questioning how much of it's something about me, as that'd be the most common denominator of every interaction that ended the same way.

when you apply me-you-them-her-his you drop out from objectivity and you enter bias

which isn't necessarily wrong or bad, but it also blinds you

it's you, the other person, the circumstances, your pasts, your motives, and your ignorance/ knowledge

you can customize it, or find some sort of algorithm that affects every interaction, but you can't nullify it to one point cause humans are just too complex once you put them under microscope

You sound tired.

disappointed severely, i admit that people did disappoint me to a permanent level, i am currently trying to move past that 

the individual part matters only if there's some sort of conscious or subconscious attachment to the said identity, by you or someone else

in the bigger picture your individual details can be ignored, dodged, or even dismissed for the sake of the result- context (main point)

the beauty part about connections, i don't find it snowflake i find it humane, however i can't relate

i fabricate an ideal in my head, and if myself or others don't fit that ideal, no matter how small/big hard/easy it is, i immediately evaluate both them and me as incompatible to it, and that's the end of the story

am i too "perfectionistic" or you are too "emotional"? maybe, maybe not, maybe both, what i know however is that perfectionism beats down any form of individualism in the long term, cause people feel loneliness, and ideals appeal better than any type of figure (a symbol)

How does a lack of uniqueness make it any less real?

from where i stand anything that can't be acted on properly, with extreme amounts of control and no errors- in other words anything that's not a solid representation of your will, isn't real, is a delusion

but that's my take

does lack of uniqueness makes something unreal? no, does it make it predictable? yes

What's so good about being a king though? It's either pure delegation or insanely stressful.

Rather than trying to be top dog, I find more value in cultivating a calling. I see more value in the chef or the artist who finds freedom in their crafts than I would in some dude in a suit driving a Mercedes or some shit because that's what they were told is success.

there's no more stressful, painful, and burdening -serving position than the one of the king-emperor, i agree to that

i saw it many times in groups irl+online where i end up as the leader, it literally isn't worth it

same goes with being the most superior, you are the number one target of all malignant/ evil individuals or jealous fucks, and wealth, power, control, take time and effort to sustain

but you know what, i am slave to my own pride so i am willing to go through all that

You always identify with an exterior symbol as if it were an effigy rather than valuing yourself as yourself. It makes your sense of identity seem malleable based on whatever has you inspired at the moment.

A lot of people do this sort of thing, but they normally build a construct that they can tell themselves is "Who they are". You instead seem to follow symbols as a source of direct inspiration.

that connect to my general ideology about people, ideals, symbols, like i told you above individuality to me means nothing, i want a substantial model, requirements, conditions

on top of that i am incapable of self-reflecting or introspecting, so i need to make a standard, even in trolling and act based on it, if i don't, then i ruin my own model

my point here is the opposite, i am training to be able to extract control or dominance with no compromises

so even if something works better than what i do, i have to ignore it, if i don't, i prove i bend to the will of the herd juts so i can be on top of it

the moment i do that i contract myself on a deeper, ideological level

i make a lot of identities, i either make the most "Machiavellian one" to achieve a goal- or if there's no worthy goal to achieve i go full berserk mode and go against all the norms/ laws / compromises to challenge myself

i don't believe that any of you are anything past surface level, cause i don't believe 'In depth"  you are what you seem, and what you seem can just be different each time ( i include larpers/ trolls/ meta larpers/ baiters/ sarcastics in it)

i know when someone is sarcastic, larps, ironic, his motives, drives, why, how, but I have to ignore that and stick to the role i made for myself

It's through seeing the others that want more than they can have that I reaffirm my idea of learning to accept where I'm at. Many waste their lives pushing towards the culturally accepted ideas of success without even asking themselves if that's what they even want, and in time I've seen that what I have now's actually pretty nice.

i have no desires only models i have to live up to, i been like this since forever, i don't believe there's anything in this world my <<heart>> or <<ego>> genuinely wants

masochism is certainly more useful than sadism or ego in martial arts lmao

ballet and gymnastics... hard af

usually i don't think or plan, i just do in martial arts, seems to be working till i meet someone who does, then i have to do what i hate the most "think'

strange isn't it how someone's e-fighting style can actually allign with his irl fighting style

the only tactical thing i got in martial arts is that i never, ever, telegraph, cause it's all intuitive 

I tend to see it closer to people drawing lines in the sand, picking sides that they can call good and evil.

I tend to see good as one making excuses for the things they feel like they have to do and evil as the things they beat themselves up over. It's otherwise relative beyond the usual sociological ones (don't kill don't steal etc).

i don't believe in moralism or good or evil, but i believe in strict, objective, justice, i could elaborate on it if you want

You still act like you have a throne though, you haven't stepped down from that feeling at all.

exactly my point, it's not acting, you can feel like "i am on a throne" meanwhile i type and respond like a sperg

which implies, it's not a larp, or an e-persona, is part of me

i see people from my team with massive egos, being unable to descend and fight it out with goblins / garbage, and i tell them

"are you truly superior if you are too afraid to descend to their level?"

i don't think they are, i think they are afraid of appealing to things without standing on that throne, gradually i will even try to attack the inbreds here without any ego, without superiority, to prove myself i don't need them

if you can't succeed as an organism, all your success as a person, part of society, are useless

AizenTheTitanic said: 

Turncoat said:

How would you see those possibilities if you already presume to understand it? How can you fill your cup if it's already full?

that's my point you stop seeing them, is like when you're so used to something you just start to passively ignore it

So... ignorance then? 

Turncoat said:

What we expect to see is precisely what serves to blind us from whatever else is there. This is part of what helps us grow by having others around us; They can see the things we didn't immediately pick up, and in time we might begin to see them too. Also on point with his rhetoric he expresses the value in witnessing others' shortcomings and failures as a means of avoiding it yourself.

that works if others can offer something you don't already know, if they can't, then it leads up to you feeding them/offering them, which yes it can be beneficial for your self-worth but that's only if your self-worth is at least partially connected to what you cause to others

I see it closer to there being something that can be potentially learned from pretty much everyone. With every new person added to the mix the understanding of the human spectrum can become easier to maneuver. 

i don't connect my shortcomings/failures to others, in fact if i fail i blame my incompetence on the spot and bring no excuses, people don't have that logic however, hence why i look down on them as "delusional" 

I'm moreso meaning that by seeing someone else fuck up over something we've never ourselves done, we can see how that'd go without having to make that blunder personally. Watching someone hit rock bottom can show a lot about the human experience. 

Turncoat said:

The hardest battle to win is that of submission, understanding one's place in the greater whole once they've climbed as high as they're likely to go.

i never submit

Then for you it'd be an even harder battle than most, as you can't even fathom facing it. 

for me even happiness is inferior to my pride / standards, therefore any form of logical compromise to achieve inner peace is immediately dismissed 

Why do anything if your happiness is compromised? What's the point of doing anything if you can't find peace in it somewhere? 

I understand putting happiness to the side for a bit in the name of long term happiness later, but why even do anything if you can't find emotional satisfaction behind it? 

Turncoat said:

This would have me questioning how much of it's something about me, as that'd be the most common denominator of every interaction that ended the same way.

when you apply me-you-them-her-his you drop out from objectivity and you enter bias

which isn't necessarily wrong or bad, but it also blinds you

it's you, the other person, the circumstances, your pasts, your motives, and your ignorance/ knowledge

you can customize it, or find some sort of algorithm that affects every interaction, but you can't nullify it to one point cause humans are just too complex once you put them under microscope

What I mean is that if I tried to do the same thing with hundreds of people and I got the same results hundreds of times, I'd begin to question if it's a "me thing" from my being the unchanged factor. Odds support that there should be variation if you throw yourself towards a large enough body of people, suggesting that the reason that things otherwise play out the same is some failing in myself that makes for a self-fulfilling prophecy. 

i fabricate an ideal in my head, and if myself or others don't fit that ideal, no matter how small/big hard/easy it is, i immediately evaluate both them and me as incompatible to it, and that's the end of the story

What good does that do though? From here that looks like rushing to conclusions instead of having the patience to let them play out. How would you even separate yourself from cognitive bias within this model? 

am i too "perfectionistic" or you are too "emotional"? maybe, maybe not, maybe both, what i know however is that perfectionism beats down any form of individualism in the long term, cause people feel loneliness, and ideals appeal better than any type of figure (a symbol)

This doesn't read as perfection to me, but rather as the rebuking of concepts that have proven too heavy to handle. 

Perfection would aim to be good at everything, including one's openness to emotions. When attacked over their true self they'd be ready for it from having already accepted these things about themselves. If they can't hit you as hard as you hit yourself, they can never hurt you with the truth. 

How does a lack of uniqueness make it any less real?

from where i stand anything that can't be acted on properly, with extreme amounts of control and no errors- in other words anything that's not a solid representation of your will, isn't real, is a delusion

but that's my take

does lack of uniqueness makes something unreal? no, does it make it predictable? yes

Have you ever heard of the Dunning Kruger Effect? 

Turncoat said:

What's so good about being a king though? It's either pure delegation or insanely stressful.

Rather than trying to be top dog, I find more value in cultivating a calling. I see more value in the chef or the artist who finds freedom in their crafts than I would in some dude in a suit driving a Mercedes or some shit because that's what they were told is success.

there's no more stressful, painful, and burdening -serving position than the one of the king-emperor, i agree to that

i saw it many times in groups irl+online where i end up as the leader, it literally isn't worth it

same goes with being the most superior, you are the number one target of all malignant/ evil individuals or jealous fucks, and wealth, power, control, take time and effort to sustain

I'd rather be the advisor to someone than the one with my face on the label. 

but you know what, i am slave to my own pride so i am willing to go through all that

Your pride sounds like it's the source of your unhappiness. 

on top of that i am incapable of self-reflecting or introspecting, so i need to make a standard, even in trolling and act based on it, if i don't, then i ruin my own model

What happens if you don't craft a flag or effigy to assume control of? 

my point here is the opposite, i am training to be able to extract control or dominance with no compromises

Why is compromise so bad? It's the byproduct of adaptation during a clash. 

To rush towards compromise is a Fallacy of Gray; The insistence that the middle-ground must be right, but to be unwilling to compromise at all is simply stubborn. Life itself forces one to compromise, to adapt, or be crushed by the weight of those who will. It is from compromise that societies are built in the first place, even down to having running water and electricity and stuff. 

so even if something works better than what i do, i have to ignore it, if i don't, i prove i bend to the will of the herd juts so i can be on top of it

the moment i do that i contract myself on a deeper, ideological level

What's wrong with flexibility though? 

i make a lot of identities, i either make the most "Machiavellian one" to achieve a goal- or if there's no worthy goal to achieve i go full berserk mode and go against all the norms/ laws / compromises to challenge myself

Have you ever tried a kill them with kindness strategy? 

i don't believe that any of you are anything past surface level, cause i don't believe 'In depth"  you are what you seem, and what you seem can just be different each time ( i include larpers/ trolls/ meta larpers/ baiters/ sarcastics in it)

i know when someone is sarcastic, larps, ironic, his motives, drives, why, how, but I have to ignore that and stick to the role i made for myself

So this is a trust issue then, more than anything about your audience? 

Is it that it's easier to see us as larpers and trolls? 

Turncoat said:

It's through seeing the others that want more than they can have that I reaffirm my idea of learning to accept where I'm at. Many waste their lives pushing towards the culturally accepted ideas of success without even asking themselves if that's what they even want, and in time I've seen that what I have now's actually pretty nice.

i have no desires only models i have to live up to, i been like this since forever, i don't believe there's anything in this world my <<heart>> or <<ego>> genuinely wants

Doesn't this mean you desire to live up to a model? Sounds like a desire to conform mixed with an inability to trust others' templates. 

 

the only tactical thing i got in martial arts is that i never, ever, telegraph, cause it's all intuitive 

Impossible, everyone telegraphs. There's training to reduce the amount of steps you have in a move but there will always be something that gives it away. It's a matter of body language, you have to move to strike and there's going time between the move and the hit, which is why it pays to be tricky and deceptive rather than just bludgeoning the dude. 

This is why it's useful to learn feints, and to otherwise try to make multiple moves look like they have the same telegraph. 

Turncoat said:

I tend to see it closer to people drawing lines in the sand, picking sides that they can call good and evil.

I tend to see good as one making excuses for the things they feel like they have to do and evil as the things they beat themselves up over. It's otherwise relative beyond the usual sociological ones (don't kill don't steal etc).

i don't believe in moralism or good or evil, but i believe in strict, objective, justice, i could elaborate on it if you want

I don't see how any sense of justice could be objective beyond the argument of sociological tenants. 

Turncoat said:

You still act like you have a throne though, you haven't stepped down from that feeling at all.

exactly my point, it's not acting, you can feel like "i am on a throne" meanwhile i type and respond like a sperg

which implies, it's not a larp, or an e-persona, is part of me

And this is more about convincing yourself than any of us, right? 

if you can't succeed as an organism, all your success as a person, part of society, are useless

What defines success though? I find pleasure from it and handle it responsibly, so what's the problem? 

Why would I feel any need to drop pegging beyond some sort of homo-fears or whatever? 

holy shit, hold up i will respond

you found my kryptonite, when someone starts a discussion with no motives to bait-troll i never run away cause that's weakness + Npd

drinking right now, will get to it

Holy shit what teh fuck is this thread

tl:dr

Instrument said: 

Holy shit what teh fuck is this thread

 

tl:dr

 stfu retard

two awkward autistics try to understand social skills = pages of cringe  

one awkward autist with no social skills sperging cuz two pages ^

hahaha after painfully trying to dissect basic social skills most people take for granted the convo now evolves to "why I like being fucked up the ass". lmao carry on, losers.