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I'll just give my personal experience. 

I was once really fucked both in personality and in action. 

I found a mentor through a relationship with his daughter. 

He was an extremely brilliant man in his 60's. 

So not only are we similar in our ideology, but we had similar awakenings as well.

 

We would get high or wasted and just talk philosophy, mathematics, religion, and physics for hours into the night.

Was he Finnish, Estonian, or Russian?

 

That acceptance and overall level of none judgmental discourse changed me for the better. 

I went from a drug addict seeking to exploit everyone for money to someone who just wanted to understand the world for the sake of its beauty. That good side of me was always there but it was being consumed by the bad aspects of my personality, all it took was someone willing to talk to me to melt those horrid aspects of my personality away so that the better parts could shine.

Really? You're telling the truth?

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I'll just give my personal experience. 

I was once really fucked both in personality and in action. 

I found a mentor through a relationship with his daughter. 

He was an extremely brilliant man in his 60's. 

So not only are we similar in our ideology, but we had similar awakenings as well.

A personal relationship shaped you? 

We would get high or wasted and just talk philosophy, mathematics, religion, and physics for hours into the night.

Was he Finnish, Estonian, or Russian?

He was British. 

He came to the U.S. in the late 70's to do his Phd and knocked a woman up in the 80's and married her as a result. 

That acceptance and overall level of none judgmental discourse changed me for the better. 

I went from a drug addict seeking to exploit everyone for money to someone who just wanted to understand the world for the sake of its beauty. That good side of me was always there but it was being consumed by the bad aspects of my personality, all it took was someone willing to talk to me to melt those horrid aspects of my personality away so that the better parts could shine.

Really? You're telling the truth?

 Yes, from 14-20 I was a really fucked up human being. 

 I was addicted to heroin and speed and flooding all the school systems in my area with hard drugs with a friend and their older   sibling, from local highschools to colleges. I paid for my own education this way.  

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A personal relationship shaped you? 

I've posted about it somewhere here, but yes when I was younger I met this French-Swedish couple who more or less reshaped my understanding of what is possible in life, and I left Finland shortly after.

 

He was British. 

He came to the U.S. in the late 70's to do his Phd and knocked a woman up in the 80's and married her as a result. 

Ah, the `wasted & talked about philosophy` kind of fit the Finn/Est/Rus, so that's why I suggested it. Are you keeping in touch with him?

 

Yes, from 14-20 I was a really fucked up human being. 

I was addicted to heroin and speed and flooding all the school systems in my area with hard drugs with a friend and their older   sibling, from local highschools to colleges. I paid for my own education this way.  

That's kind of hard to believe from how you appear now. Or maybe it explains why you're the way you are; I've been slightly puzzled over that.

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A personal relationship shaped you? 

I've posted about it somewhere here, but yes when I was younger I met this French-Swedish couple who more or less reshaped my understanding, and I left Finland shortly after.

Family friends? 

It's odd how you can just meet people who change you forever. 

Luckily most of those encounters have been positive for me. 

He was British. 

He came to the U.S. in the late 70's to do his Phd and knocked a woman up in the 80's and married her as a result. 

Ah, the `wasted & talked about philosophy` kind of fit the Finn/Est/Rus, so that's why I suggested it. Are you keeping in touch with him?

Interesting enough Anglo men have shaped much of my life. 

When I was little my mother cheated on my father with a British engineer. He would pick me up from preschool and stuff and then I would hang out with him the rest of the day. He is who initially sparked my interest in academic subjects. The relationship was extremely damaging but in so far as the interests it created for me overall it was beneficial. 

I have not spoken to him in a few years. 

Yes, from 14-20 I was a really fucked up human being. 

I was addicted to heroin and speed and flooding all the school systems in my area with hard drugs with a friend and their older   sibling, from local highschools to colleges. I paid for my own education this way.  

That's kind of hard to believe from how you appear now. Or maybe it explains why you're the way you are; I've been slightly puzzled over that.

 I can see why it would be hard to believe. Peach was surprised when we first met because I not only knew all of her dealers but   was supplying them. This period is was caused me to become so aloof and distant from family and friends. Once again it was   damaging but also extremely informative. I became aware how dangerous my obsessive personality could be for myself and   others. Luckily through my interaction with this mentor figure I was able to completely redirect it. 

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Family friends? 

Not family friends. If you're genuinely interested, I can go into more details. However, it's fairly personal.

 

It's odd how you can just meet people who change you forever. 

Luckily most of those encounters have been positive for me. 

I think you were lucky. However, I feel like most people don't really have life-changing experiences in either direction; it seems rare.

 

Ah, the `wasted & talked about philosophy` kind of fit the Finn/Est/Rus, so that's why I suggested it. Are you keeping in touch with him?

Interesting enough Anglo men have shaped much of my life. 

When I was little my mother cheated on my father with a British engineer. He would pick me up from preschool and stuff and then I would hang out with him the rest of the day. He is who initially sparked my interest in academic subjects. The relationship was extremely damaging but in so far as the interests it created for me overall it was beneficial. 

I have not spoken to him in a few years. 

Lucky for Science, then. Sounds like you had a pretty unique life. I'm not going to ask about your family dynamics, although I'm naturally curious about stuff like that.

 

That's kind of hard to believe from how you appear now. Or maybe it explains why you're the way you are; I've been slightly puzzled over that.

 I can see why it would be hard to believe. Peach was surprised when we first met because I not only knew all of her dealers but   was supplying them. This period is was caused me to become so aloof and distant from family and friends. Once again it was   damaging but also extremely informative. I became aware how dangerous my obsessive personality could be for myself and   others. Luckily through my interaction with this mentor figure I was able to completely redirect it. 

I can imagine. Well, you and Peach go well together. You should thank your mentor character :p

Awesome, so there's another awakened Science genius here~

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Family friends? 

Not family friends. If you're genuinely interested, I can go into more details. However, it's fairly personal.

It's odd how you can just meet people who change you forever. 

Luckily most of those encounters have been positive for me. 

I think you were lucky. However, I feel like most people don't really have life-changing experiences in either direction; it seems rare.

That could be true. 

I'm socially retarded so I wouldn't know.

Ah, the `wasted & talked about philosophy` kind of fit the Finn/Est/Rus, so that's why I suggested it. Are you keeping in touch with him?

Interesting enough Anglo men have shaped much of my life. 

When I was little my mother cheated on my father with a British engineer. He would pick me up from preschool and stuff and then I would hang out with him the rest of the day. He is who initially sparked my interest in academic subjects. The relationship was extremely damaging but in so far as the interests it created for me overall it was beneficial. 

I have not spoken to him in a few years. 

Lucky for Science, then. Sounds like you had a pretty unique life. I'm not going to ask about your family dynamics, although I'm naturally curious about stuff like that.

You can, I'm it's just mostly filled with my parents fighting a lot because of my mothers infidelity and fathers insecurity. 

Beyond that just liver damage and love in unexpecting places. 

That's kind of hard to believe from how you appear now. Or maybe it explains why you're the way you are; I've been slightly puzzled over that.

 I can see why it would be hard to believe. Peach was surprised when we first met because I not only knew all of her dealers but   was supplying them. This period is was caused me to become so aloof and distant from family and friends. Once again it was   damaging but also extremely informative. I became aware how dangerous my obsessive personality could be for myself and   others. Luckily through my interaction with this mentor figure I was able to completely redirect it. 

I can imagine. Well, you and Peach go well together. You should thank your mentor character :p

I have many times.

Awesome, so there's another awakened Science genius here~

 Yes, TPG is shaping to be a little genius. 

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That could be true. 

I'm socially retarded so I wouldn't know.

Ahaha

 

 

You can, I'm it's just mostly filled with my parents fighting a lot because of my mothers infidelity and fathers insecurity. 

Beyond that just liver damage and love in unexpecting places. 

Sounds complicated. I wouldn't know :p

`unexpecting places? `

 

I can imagine. Well, you and Peach go well together. You should thank your mentor character :p

I have many times.

Good for him then

 

Awesome, so there's another awakened Science genius here~

 Yes, TPG is shaping to be a little genius. 

He does seem quite the little genius.

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When you see a damaged person who gets in the way of you doing things, how do you generally handle the situation?

For example, let's say there's a person who loves causing harm. I don't know, it's like a fetish. They really love damaging shit, because their mommy beat them as a kid or something.

Do you usually use the carrot, or do you go straight for the stick? In what succession do you use the carrot and the stick? Do you first try out the carrot and then if it doesn't work you beat them a little bit with the stick to see if it rectifies their behavior?

After you've beaten them a little with a stick, do you continue beating them until they lose all self-esteem, or do you generally try out both a little at a time until you reach some kind of optimum?

Just curious.

I used to think that if a person is damaged and harmful to other people, you should somehow try to reason with them and include them in your in-group. However, I've changed my mind.

I think people like that need to be smacked around a little so that you can correct their behavior. What I can't seem to wrap my head around is when should you decide that the person is  a lost cause and you should just keep smackin them with the stick whenever they get within one meter of you.

Thoughts? Xena, you have kids, right?

 The carrot isn't something I'd use to keep them in check. Then they'll only get along if it comes with a prize.

Whatever it takes to set boundaries will do.

If you fail to discipline your child, the world will.

When it comes to corperal punishment, be sure the reason for doing it is sensible.

There are 2 kinds of people who were beaten.

- The ones who say they were abused.

- The ones who say they deserved it.

The ones who say they deserved it are more stable. The ones who say they were abused were either raised by asses or they themselves are difficult. The bottom line is, everyone remembers why they were beaten, and from a young age we have a moral compass that lets us determine if the punishment is justified. 

Sparing the rod can lead them astray, but only if the rod is called for. 

Sweden banned corporal punishment starting with the Millennials, the Scandinavian region followed suit as well, and there we see a generation of adults with a strong sense of entitlement, as their offspring runs the show by making family decisions cause they believe in such rights. That is 1 reason why Islam can easily move in and start outbreeding the Swedes.

In short. If nothing else works, and if it's called for, go the route of immediate compliance. Express anger and ask them if they understand why you had to break their ass, and they will tell you no problem.

Those who were abused or never beaten will see corporal punishment as abuse no matter what, so when they have a devil child on their hands, they are more likely to enable the child. In the future, that child will either get their ass handed to them or, as it was in Alice's case be inspired to change.

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You remind me of this cheer leader I knew in high school, always a drama queen.

The virus came from my ASS!
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In your case they're probably just going to go ghost on you. Since it's you I assume it's work and nothing in the line of a social life, so you can expect less responding to your messages, they will exclude you from events, won't be keen on working with you on future projects, etc. You will really be on your own. I'm not sure what your work-relationship is like, but it's likely they are a normal person who will avoid the stick at all costs and go for the carrot, they will try to reason with you just like you said. But again, it's you we're talking about, so if you have pushed them too far or if you suspect they are already aware of the extent of your damages, they will of course use their stick until you are no more, and claim it was your fault if anyone asks.

You seem to be having trouble knowing when they will decide to stick you, my advice is don't waste any time making new friends. I assume you are alone, so if you can make this person worried about factions I think you will have your own stick to leverage. I hope this was helpful, good luck making friends at work.

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