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Xena said: 

I need more info. What precisely is the problem?

pm if it's too personal to share here.

 

In the meantime, Barbara Coloroso is a good read.

Oh, I appreciate it, Xena. However, I really meant the `hypothetical` quite literally.

AppleGenius said: 

Xena said: 

Generally, I'm with user. I avoid damaged adults because  I have to put triple the time and energy into taking care of my son.

He hasn't literally wrecked stuff since he was around 7. Back then I had to physically restrain him, both to protect him and to protect the stuff. I took falls down the stairs and everything, so he wouldn't break his neck.

I'm so glad that worked. If he were still throwing fits like that now, he could probably kill me. He's 6'2" now.

Why are you here, if you avoid damaged adults?

Anyway,  the question supposes that you want to do something about it.

So you used mostly the stick, then, no carrot? I guess it worked.

 Yeah, with adults.

I was much more attentive with my son. The restraining techniques I used with him were very gentle. If he was running around flailing, I put myself between any potentially bone breaking impact and the child. 

I've broken over a dozen of my own bones that way.

Glad I'm a big strong woman. Most women couldn't take 8 whole years of that kind of punishment.

And a big warm thank you to my aikido instructor for teaching me how to fall without too much damage, and how to hold somebody without harming them.

AppleGenius said: 

 

I didn't get it wrong, but maybe I wasn't clear; I meant when you're in a situation where you have a stake in that person's success or otherwise you can't get rid of them (e.g., they're your kid). Imagine a hypothetical. 

If it were my own kid I'd not quite be handling it like otherwise, but when it comes to people who aren't my responsibility I'd rather advance the plot than pen it directly. 

AppleGenius said:

And yes, I made this topic under the presupposition that you have some cause and that it's in your best interest to ensure others work together toward that cause, whether it's well-being or destruction of the capitalistic system.

Sometimes it takes people opposing each other to get to an end rather than having them all work together. 

In that sense, I'd rather see how people naturally behave and see where that takes them when conditions around them change. Being fake is bad, but with enough pressure people can't help but be themselves, and those reveals show how they'll interact with the greater whole based on the conditions of their environment. 

I've seen more come of people being at odds here than I have from people "nice"-ing, and I think that conflict can be healthier than it's lacking. 

Xena said: 

Yeah, with adults.

I was much more attentive with my son. The restraining techniques I used with him were very gentle. If he was running around flailing, I put myself between any potentially bone breaking impact and the child. 

I've broken over a dozen of my own bones that way.

Glad I'm a big strong woman. Most women couldn't take 8 whole years of that kind of punishment.

 

And a big warm thank you to my aikido instructor for teaching me how to fall without too much damage, and how to hold somebody without harming them.

:D

Turncoat said: 

If it were my own kid I'd not quite be handling it like otherwise, but when it comes to people who aren't my responsibility I'd rather advance the plot than pen it directly.

You would let your kid grow up twisted if he/she so desired? :o

AppleGenius said: 

Turncoat said: 

If it were my own kid I'd not quite be handling it like otherwise, but when it comes to people who aren't my responsibility I'd rather advance the plot than pen it directly.

You would let your kid grow up twisted if he/she so desired? :o

My kid would be my responsibility, so I couldn't really let myself be as Laissez-faire. Rather than push them towards their natural conclusions I'd probably be more fixated on potential. 

Turncoat said: 

Sometimes it takes people opposing each other to get to an end rather than having them all work together. 

In that sense, I'd rather see how people naturally behave and see where that takes them when conditions around them change. Being fake is bad, but with enough pressure people can't help but be themselves, and those reveals show how they'll interact with the greater whole based on the conditions of their environment. 

I've seen more come of people being at odds here than I have from people "nice"-ing, and I think that conflict can be healthier than it's lacking.

How do you mean? Do you mean that you simply enjoy conflict, or something else?

Turncoat said: 

AppleGenius said: 

Turncoat said: 

If it were my own kid I'd not quite be handling it like otherwise, but when it comes to people who aren't my responsibility I'd rather advance the plot than pen it directly.

You would let your kid grow up twisted if he/she so desired? :o

My kid would be my responsibility, so I couldn't really let myself be as Laissez-faire. Rather than push them towards their natural conclusions I'd probably be more fixated on potential. 

I see, ok

AppleGenius said: 

Turncoat said: 

Sometimes it takes people opposing each other to get to an end rather than having them all work together. 

In that sense, I'd rather see how people naturally behave and see where that takes them when conditions around them change. Being fake is bad, but with enough pressure people can't help but be themselves, and those reveals show how they'll interact with the greater whole based on the conditions of their environment. 

I've seen more come of people being at odds here than I have from people "nice"-ing, and I think that conflict can be healthier than it's lacking.

How do you mean? Do you mean that you simply enjoy conflict, or something else?

I see conflict as the path towards growth.

An evil man ignores a plea for help because he does not care, but a man on the "low path" ignores the plea because that person will survive on their own if they are strong enough. The man on the "low path" may help if the odds are unreasonable, or if there is an incentive to give assistance.

It's also more honest in comparison to using "nice" as the easy road, and if people handle it for long enough they'll in turn become more honest people. 

I'll just give my personal experience. 

I was once really fucked both in personality and in action. 

I found a mentor through a relationship with his daughter. 

He was an extremely brilliant man in his 60's. 

He was so accepting and essentially was willing to talk about anything. We would get high or wasted and just talk philosophy, mathematics, religion, and physics for hours into the night. That acceptance and overall level of none judgmental discourse changed me for the better. 

I went from a drug addict seeking to exploit everyone for money to someone who just wanted to understand the world for the sake of its beauty. That good side of me was always there but it was being consumed by the bad aspects of my personality, all it took was someone willing to talk to me to melt those horrid aspects of my personality away so that the better parts could shine.