So many Fixed signs on this forum...
Maybe fixed signs are more likely to be "sociopaths" / social outsiders
...also what are fixed signs?
Gotta focus... I'm shifting into soup mode...
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...also what are fixed signs?
Here's an extremely general overview:
Aquarius, Taurus, Leo, and Scorpio are the four Fixed signs.
Pisces, Gemini, Virgo, and Sagittarius are the four Mutable signs.
Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn are the four Cardinal signs.
Fixed Signs: Generally display behaviors that are more sedentary, waiting for things to come to them. By Avatar the Last Airbender terms, they'd be more likely to reflect Neutral Jing. These signs are found in the center of seasons.
Mutable Signs: Generally display behaviors that are more adaptable, adjusting to others needs accordingly. By Avatar the Last Airbender terms, they'd be more likely to reflect Negative Jing. These signs are found around the solstices, the period where seasons change.
Cardinal Signs: Generally display behaviors that are more forward, insisting on controlling the situation. By Avatar the Last Airbender terms, they'd be more likely to reflect Positive Jing. These signs are found towards the start of seasons.
Yang Signs: Typically, these are characterized by a tendency to speak or act before thinking.
Yin Signs: Typically, these are characterized by a tendency to take things in and planning before acting on it.
Fire Signs: Self-insistent and up front about it, they tend to result in extroverted yang behaviors.
Air Signs: Clever and quick, they tend to result in introverted yang behaviors.
Water Signs: Emotional and empathetic, they tend to result in extroverted yin behaviors.
Earth Signs: Pragmatic and stubborn, they tend to result in introverted yin behaviors.
Sun: Sun signs are related to your more automatic responses, what comes naturally to you, the personality of your sense of energy. The sun sign corresponds to the month you were born.
Moon: Moon signs are related to your deeper needs, what things you desire when you're in your own head. Corresponds to the day you were born.
Ascendant: Ascendant signs (and it's corresponding 12 houses) are related to your assumed script, what you think is needed (in ways that may contradict your natural inclinations). Corresponds to the hour you were born.
When presented like this it's simple enough, but how a person's made up is not just one of these signs, but rather a combination of them as part of a greater whole. Even sticking to just Sun, Moon, and Ascendant you end up with 1728 possible combinations (13824 if you go into cusps, and even more if you go into staggered ascendant-houses).
Understanding the individual properties helps with learning the commonalities between each sign, which further helps with fleshing out the otherwise individual properties within each of the twelve signs as well as how they're liable to interact with each other.
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The relationship between the signs can be surmised both internally and between people by looking at the zodiac wheel: 
As you can see, each month's sign goes in order on this wheel, showing relationships to have probability mechanics based on the distances between them.
Trine: When the sign's element matches there tends to be a thematic synergy (Leo-Sag-Aries, Scorpio-Pisces-Cancer, Aquarius-Gemini-Libra, Taurus-Virgo-Capricorn). With similar goals and temperaments, but different aspects that they're otherwise handling, it tends to work out fairly synergistically.
Conjunct: When the sign is dealing with it's neighbor (like Aquarius with Capricorn), their needs tend to clash in ways that slow down the process and lead to minor amounts of disarray in it's function. Generally, the sign before the following one (Capricorn) focuses intently on something that the sign after it (Aquarius) understands and is otherwise trivializing. When both sets of desires clash, there tend to be idealistic differences and synergy problems over having two different reasonings over a similar array of ideas, such as Capricorn's "hip to be square" model that focuses on wealth acquisition versus Aquarius' "hipster" model with ascetic themes, yet both have the tendency to be fascinated (for different reasons) over the mundane.
Square: When the sign's dealing within it's own temperament (Fixed, Mutable, Cardinal) with the yin/yang opposing, the clash can be more notable than Conjunct issues. Where Conjunct behaviors are similar in understanding but with a difference in opinion and approach, Square signs instead insist on the same approaches towards different aims. An Aquarius versus a Taurus for example; Taurus desires real, tangible things, while Aquarius desires cerebral, personal appreciations that others may not recognize. Both would likely aspire to accomplish their goals in similar ways, but aiming for different things within that can lead to confusion and clashes over endgame goals. When square in an individual you're liable to see a broad approach across non-matching subject matter that may not make sense, while in others interacting it can lead to synergistic lifestyles that can't otherwise agree on where to take it. As a side note, there also tends to be communication issues within square expressions.
Opposite: When the sign's dealing within it's own temperament (Fixed, Mutable, Cardinal) while also within the same yin/yang association, you get an opposing relationship. By combining introverted with extroverted aspirations, you typically end up with the strengths of both signs commonalities with entirely opposing ideologies. To use Aquarius as an example again, it's opposite in Leo shows how both can be abnormally concerned with what other people are thinking, but what they aim to do with that data is entirely opposite: The Leo will use it to build itself up while the Aquarius will by contrast use it to detach from them if not aim to improve others lives sociologically at it's own expense. As such, the two are liable to argue over matters such as the importance of the self versus the larger world, but both would likely argue through surprisingly similar terms. Opposing relationships have a tendency to lead to rivalries or odd couples through the audacity of otherwise witnessing your methods used for an opposite goal that can otherwise be explained in similar enough terms. When the opposing relationship is within themselves (like my case), it leads to a lot of uncertainty, frustrations, and inner clashes despite having an otherwise fairly unified talent basis.
Adjunct: When the sign's interacting with one that's one space away from it's opposite (five to seven signs apart), you get a surprisingly synergistic relationship. Many aspects of an adjunct sign tend to fill in the needs the sign's otherwise not as easily resolving, and it's doing so without being as direct of a connection as a direct opposite. Through this near-opposite relationship, it becomes more about the commonalities with an easier time excusing their differences from how they otherwise carry a differing temperament (Fixed, Mutable, Cardinal). While the opposite is seemingly looking for all that you are with the opposite of what you desire as their desires, an adjunct sign is simply walking a different path with some synergistic interests and talents that work fairly well together based on how dissimilar they otherwise are. In an individual, it tends to make for a person who's otherwise more diversified and are otherwise typically more able to appreciate things that don't come as naturally to them.
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I've been becoming increasingly interested in Astrology as of late, in general my thoughts pertaining to causality have been running wild.
I've studied it historically as the science that it once was and never gave thought to the new age ideals that came with the turn of the 20th century.
It is an interesting hypothesis, I think it's just poorly posed. If posed less radically and more rigorously there could actually be stock in it which would be exciting given the cause of the effect would be interesting to explore.
As I've been saying, we already have data on how seasons affect births, establishing a base 4 simplification of it. Expanding upon that into base 12 isn't really so crazy to figure once base 4's become accepted. There's otherwise mild signs of it in their appearance for their sun signs and somewhat their ascendant, and much of what people say or write reflects strangely archetypal themes of their signage (also I swear their moon's in how they hold their eyes).
Figure that the fetus' conception for their sun sign is less a byproduct of when the mother got pregnant and more of a byproduct of those nine months carrying the child. Seasonal affect has been more than thoroughly expressed through it's disorderly variant (S.A.D.), and otherwise yields patterns in people's spending habits and behavioral tendencies. Typically when entering Spring or Fall for example, the sharp shift in changes can show wacky behaviors from people for a bit around it's solstice time by contrast to the more sedentary behaviors that can crop up from Summer and Winter. As such, people's behaviors being affected by the seasons is liable to affect fetal growth over the family's behaviors and physical responses towards their environments second-handedly on top of whatever else is directly affecting it, like temperature for example.
When compared to how crops yield different growth patterns based on time of year in comparison to animals seasonal breeding patterns, it really doesn't seem so crazy to figure that people's behaviors are liable to show tendencies and patterns based on when they were born. When you start rambling about how stars are affecting people, "the mysterious 13th sign", and cosmic energies however... you'll then have gone full blown Spatial.
Things like this have me wonder if carrying a child while in space would ascend past the limitations of Astrological tendencies and show some sort of proto-human.
So by this reasoning its the sun sign and location that are most dominant in the reality of this phenomena? Do any planets play a role? What about the houses? And if so by what means in your opinion.
I do like the seasonal idea;s reasoning, if any body will have an effect one would think the sun will.
It makes me wonder if macro patterns appear out of the solar cycle.
AliceInWonderland said:So by this reasoning its the sun sign and location that are most dominant in the reality of this phenomena? Do any planets play a role?
It's the combination of Sun, Moon, and Ascendant (and Lilith) that I tend to focus on more. Planets seem fluffy and nonsensical so far while the Sun, Moon, and Ascendant are otherwise easier to guess about someone without having to have their chart.
What about the houses?
The Ascendant is itself the first house, and typically the houses play straight down in the same order as the month's signs. When it plays straight like that, you only really need to know their Ascendant sign to figure what all twelve houses must be... but then there are sometimes people who are born with a 'stagger', allowing for signs to be missing with other signs being doubles in the houses instead of the usual allotment.
And if so by what means in your opinion.
I've mostly gone with it being related to conditions on Earth instead of some sort of interplanetary activity, and suspect that birthing children on other planets would involve making a modified if not entirely new zodiac system.
I see it like growing plants: If you grow them in Winter conditions it'll come out differently than Summer ones, and similarly I'd imagine birthing children in space to sort of be like Greenhousing the process.
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