I actually wrote up a fairly in-depth spiel on Sagittarian ascendants for another SCer not long ago, I can send it to you, if you want.
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Cool, cool. I've been meaning to add you on discord anyway, so now's as good a time as any. dirt#6852 Hit me up if you want, and I'll send you stuff about your chart. ^_^
I mean, the whole star thing is an understandable misattribution in the early context of astrology, but not anymore. The sky was a clock, so if they saw patterns in human behavior that had consistent timing, they'd blame the stars. Having S.A.D., it's like if I noticed my tendency to get depressed around 18:00 every day, and not understanding the effect of light on the brain, assumed that the clock itself striking 18:00 was actually the source of my depression. Same logic. They gave the credit to the tool of measurement.
It was also historically shrouded in pseudo-mysticism so that it'd look less commonplace, ensuring their craft could remain desired instead of bleeding into the mainstream. It's not really too different from the idea of a witch, medicine man, or magician not sharing their secrets. An advisor with knowledge of astrology would be quite useful, but if said leader already knew how to do it or it was otherwise an accepted canon that anyone could utilize then their advisor's role has become that much more redundant.
With the use of the internet however, it's more accessible and independently verifiable than ever before. Websites like Astrocharts for example can show facial data and grant names that can then be used to seek interviews and their individual histories in hopes of finding patterns (my hobby).
As the smokescreen of bullshit's slowly wiped away, and as machines become better at algorithmically noting patterns themselves, the meaning of Astrology will change from mysticism into something closer to crop-clock calculations.
That's probably all true, but quite a few things assumed to be some form of magic in ancient history have already been revealed to have a misattributed scientific basis. Granted, astrology is a much more complex thing to dissect than say, shamans watching animal behavior to predict the future. But I think it's safe to say that Christianity had a huge impact on perpetuating the mystification, probably more than the monetary agenda of the early astrologers.
I don't know much about Astrology, so any speculation on my results would be appreciated. I'm curious.
That's probably all true, but quite a few things assumed to be some form of magic in ancient history have already been revealed to have a misattributed scientific basis. Granted, astrology is a much more complex thing to dissect than say, shamans watching animal behavior to predict the future. But I think it's safe to say that Christianity had a huge impact on perpetuating the mystification, probably more than the monetary agenda of the early astrologers.
True, they conflated it with Witchcraft and other areas of Wisdom which, to a slave religion, they'd see as the way of escaping piety.
Corinthians 3:19:For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness.”
Proverbs 3:5-7:Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil.
(See Ecclesiates for more of this in spades, they make wisdom out to be somewhere between pointless toil and the pain of turning against God.)
How far they've gone out of their way to demonize it always gave me the impression that they'd found it threatening in the hands of others, which in turn had me question if they secretly practiced it themselves in the earlier days of the religion and simply didn't want others to learn of their secrets.
It was, in essence, their competition, much like how they added Pagan features to their idea of Evil. Some fun passages on the subject:
Deuteronomy 17:2-3:If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the LORD your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden.”
Deuteronomy 18:10-14:There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God, for these nations, which you are about to dispossess, listen to fortune-tellers and to diviners. But as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you to do this.
Daniel 2:27-28:By way of answer, Daniel addressed the king: None of the advisors, enchanters, diviners, or astrologers can explain the secret that the king has requested to be made known. But there is a God in heaven who reveals secrets, and he is making known to King Nebuchadnezzar what will happen in the latter days. While you were in bed, the dream and the visions that came to your head were as follows.
Isaiah 47:13-14:All the advice you receive has made you tired. Where are all your astrologers, those stargazers who make predictions each month? Let them stand up and save you from what the future holds. But they are like straw burning in a fire; they cannot save themselves from the flame. You will get no help from them at all; their hearth is no place to sit for warmth.
Leviticus 19:26:You are not to eat anything with blood in it. You are not to practice divination or sorcery.
Seriously, they were shook enough to call it "Divination". While they're at it they might as well have demonized the practice of farming for "seeing the future".
I mean, the whole star thing is an understandable misattribution in the early context of astrology, but not anymore. The sky was a clock, so if they saw patterns in human behavior that had consistent timing, they'd blame the stars. Having S.A.D., it's like if I noticed my tendency to get depressed around 18:00 every day, and not understanding the effect of light on the brain, assumed that the clock itself striking 18:00 was actually the source of my depression. Same logic. They gave the credit to the tool of measurement.
It was also historically shrouded in pseudo-mysticism so that it'd look less commonplace, ensuring their craft could remain desired instead of bleeding into the mainstream. It's not really too different from the idea of a witch, medicine man, or magician not sharing their secrets. An advisor with knowledge of astrology would be quite useful, but if said leader already knew how to do it or it was otherwise an accepted canon that anyone could utilize then their advisor's role has become that much more redundant.
With the use of the internet however, it's more accessible and independently verifiable than ever before. Websites like Astrocharts for example can show facial data and grant names that can then be used to seek interviews and their individual histories in hopes of finding patterns (my hobby).
As the smokescreen of bullshit's slowly wiped away, and as machines become better at algorithmically noting patterns themselves, the meaning of Astrology will change from mysticism into something closer to crop-clock calculations.
I've only studied Astrology in proxy to ancient esoteric practices and the history of mathematics
Astrology was fundamentally just another form of scholarship throughout the ancient and medieval world as it took place in Europe.
Thales, Pythagoras, Parmenides, Plato, and Aristotle all had their own cosmologies with the one common variable being a belief that those cosmologies did have an effect on individual nature but disagreed on causes (as they all had different theories of causality and being). Interesting enough Aristarchus had a very similar cosmology to our own. Mathematical cosmology dominated astrology with the nature of being taking a back seat up until Ptolemy and the other Platonists who seemed also quite intrigued by horoscopes.
The hard mysticism didn't seem to enter Europe until the Crusades when astrological texts such as the Picatrix became popular in esoteric circles. I find Persian astrology far more interesting for this reason, it's far richer in content and still maintains the geometrical rigor the Greeks pushed forward though to a lesser degree.
I've been becoming increasingly interested in Astrology as of late, in general my thoughts pertaining to causality have been running wild.
I've studied it historically as the science that it once was and never gave thought to the new age ideals that came with the turn of the 20th century.
It is an interesting hypothesis, I think it's just poorly posed. If posed less radically and more rigorously there could actually be stock in it which would be exciting given the cause of the effect would be interesting to explore.
As I've been saying, we already have data on how seasons affect births, establishing a base 4 simplification of it. Expanding upon that into base 12 isn't really so crazy to figure once base 4's become accepted. There's otherwise mild signs of it in their appearance for their sun signs and somewhat their ascendant, and much of what people say or write reflects strangely archetypal themes of their signage (also I swear their moon's in how they hold their eyes).
Figure that the fetus' conception for their sun sign is less a byproduct of when the mother got pregnant and more of a byproduct of those nine months carrying the child. Seasonal affect has been more than thoroughly expressed through it's disorderly variant (S.A.D.), and otherwise yields patterns in people's spending habits and behavioral tendencies. Typically when entering Spring or Fall for example, the sharp shift in changes can show wacky behaviors from people for a bit around it's solstice time by contrast to the more sedentary behaviors that can crop up from Summer and Winter. As such, people's behaviors being affected by the seasons is liable to affect fetal growth over the family's behaviors and physical responses towards their environments second-handedly on top of whatever else is directly affecting it, like temperature for example.
When compared to how crops yield different growth patterns based on time of year in comparison to animals seasonal breeding patterns, it really doesn't seem so crazy to figure that people's behaviors are liable to show tendencies and patterns based on when they were born. When you start rambling about how stars are affecting people, "the mysterious 13th sign", and cosmic energies however... you'll then have gone full blown Spatial.
Things like this have me wonder if carrying a child while in space would ascend past the limitations of Astrological tendencies and show some sort of proto-human.
I would love to be able to do proper tests someday. I need to learn a lot more about neuroscience first, but I have some basic theories in mind, like testing estrogen and potentially oxytocin levels in Cancers vs other signs, but I'd need much better resources than I have in order to confirm those kinds of things. Inq is actually arranging a sort of test for me, a database of faces with birthdays, to see how much I can beat the odds in guessing based purely on physical features. Looking forward to that, whenever it happens.
What little research has been done, mostly incidentally, has been interesting. Like a study done by a New York hospital on conditions corresponding to birth month. Some of the findings were things I'd actually read about in old astrology books, like Virgos having digestion problems and Aquarians being more prone to schizophrenia. That was fun. But of course, with the blow astrology took from Christianity over the last thousand years, it was all chalked up to "magic" and questioned no further by the vast majority of the astrological community.
I look forward to digging more into this.
For the fun of it all, here is my chart:
I mean, the whole star thing is an understandable misattribution in the early context of astrology, but not anymore. The sky was a clock, so if they saw patterns in human behavior that had consistent timing, they'd blame the stars. Having S.A.D., it's like if I noticed my tendency to get depressed around 18:00 every day, and not understanding the effect of light on the brain, assumed that the clock itself striking 18:00 was actually the source of my depression. Same logic. They gave the credit to the tool of measurement.
It was also historically shrouded in pseudo-mysticism so that it'd look less commonplace, ensuring their craft could remain desired instead of bleeding into the mainstream. It's not really too different from the idea of a witch, medicine man, or magician not sharing their secrets. An advisor with knowledge of astrology would be quite useful, but if said leader already knew how to do it or it was otherwise an accepted canon that anyone could utilize then their advisor's role has become that much more redundant.
With the use of the internet however, it's more accessible and independently verifiable than ever before. Websites like Astrocharts for example can show facial data and grant names that can then be used to seek interviews and their individual histories in hopes of finding patterns (my hobby).
As the smokescreen of bullshit's slowly wiped away, and as machines become better at algorithmically noting patterns themselves, the meaning of Astrology will change from mysticism into something closer to crop-clock calculations.I've only studied Astrology in proxy to ancient esoteric practices and the history of mathematics
Astrology was fundamentally just another form of scholarship throughout the ancient and medieval world as it took place in Europe.
Thales, Pythagoras, Parmenides, Plato, and Aristotle all had their own cosmologies with the one common variable being a belief that those cosmologies did have an effect on individual nature but disagreed on causes (as they all had different theories of causality and being). Interesting enough Aristarchus had a very similar cosmology to our own. Mathematical cosmology dominated astrology with the nature of being taking a back seat up until Ptolemy and the other Platonists who seemed also quite intrigued by horoscopes.
The hard mysticism didn't seem to enter Europe until the Crusades when astrological texts such as the Picatrix became popular in esoteric circles. I find Persian astrology far more interesting for this reason, it's far richer in content and still maintains the geometrical rigor the Greeks pushed forward though to a lesser degree.
I've been coming at it from the opposite angle. Lots of data logging on patterns, but I don't know nearly enough about the history of the practice. I've been getting more and more curious about that.
If there's any better service out there that is free and I could make my natal chart with that instead of the one I used, I'd use it, especially if it makes what I put easier to read, since I know some of it is low res.
I actually wrote up a fairly in-depth spiel on Sagittarian ascendants for another SCer not long ago, I can send it to you, if you want.
Yess
Cool, cool. I've been meaning to add you on discord anyway, so now's as good a time as any. dirt#6852 Hit me up if you want, and I'll send you stuff about your chart. ^_^
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