QuietBeef said:Let's get one thing straight. It was a no knock warrant, whether you like it or not.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/23/kentucky-ag-breonna-taylor-cops-knocked-and-announced-themselves/ said:The Louisville police officers involved in Breonna Taylor’s shooting death “knocked and announced” themselves — and did not execute a “no-knock warrant” as previously believed, Kentucky’s attorney general said Wednesday.
Turncoat said:They're the fucking police, they should have been slamming the door and yelling "POLICE!", not politely dropping by like the mailman.Have you ever been visited by a cop before?
Yeah, they knocked audibly on the door.
Turncoat said:They're the fucking police, they should have been slamming the door and yelling "POLICE!", not politely dropping by like the mailman.Have you ever been visited by a cop before?
Yeah, they knocked audibly on the door.
I've never not had that experience.
Turncoat said:It's far, far, from every time. There's far more names being said than paid attention to when it comes to police brutality stories.
Did you even hear the name Modesto Reyes for example? They have to push this hard for any attention to go towards it. It's not like every situation's another Rayshard Brooks or something, there's more being forgotten than given their due diligence.It happens to all races, man. Blacks get targeted more because high-crime areas are patrolled more. I don't doubt that occasionally a cop is racist. I just don't see what is happening right now to be a proper response.
Not all races are topical, and attempting to whitewash it with "All Lives Matter" movements just serves to blur and bury the message.
What's said needs to be a concentrated blow, not a vague statement. The use of race in this matter is useful for getting the other messages across, it's a delivery method.
Turncoat said:This has nothing to do with anything.
Police are supposed to be enforcing the law, and many of them through Occupational Immunity are getting away with senseless violence on innocent people, such as with the Breonna Taylor case. We already have plenty of the narrative mirrored from the right about "defending themselves once police come barging into their homes with firearms" (unannounced over a mistaken address even), so why is it different when it's a black person? We also have many cases where racist organizations are trying to get their own people into law enforcement positions to get away with blatant atrocities through said immunity.
Cops should be held accountable, and instead we see the media defending them the minute they're cornered. We're at this point stuck with independent news outlets if we want to avoid the steering, the likes seen on both Fox and CNN alike.The Breonna Taylor is a logical conclusion of what happens when police follow protocol. Alice broke that down pretty well. The fucked up part is that there's such a huge psy-op going on that police can follow regulation to a T and still catch shit. You think all that happened because the dude was black?
No, I've been saying since early on that race is just a megaphone that lets the bigger issues within the police themselves be heard instead of buried. Cops need to be held more accountable, and whatever serves to get that message out is otherwise better than how it's otherwise been handled.
Turncoat said:It's the only way they're going to be heard.
This is not a Martin Luther King era anymore, we need Malcolm X.You're making me sad, man. MLK got more shit done because he was able to make the other side feel empathy. The shit going on now makes everyone become more divided.
Yeah, that used to work but at this point it just serves to pacify us so that business as usual can continue within our factory farmed existence. It's an outdated model, the ones in charge have otherwise adapted.
Turncoat said:I mean, considering the demographics being appealed to, why would the right defend black lives?
Even ignoring the racism within the party, the rhetoric tends to keep it more about Classism than Racism in favor of the upper class while directly opposed to progressive views that would stand to reach into their pockets.Is the Right Wing not defending black lives? It's Democrat cities having the riots, and it's Democrats not doing shit about it. Their crime rates have gone through the roof.
As I said above, they tend to render it down towards classism in the short term. Beyond that it's a State-by-State issue.
Turncoat said:They're the fucking police, they should have been slamming the door and yelling "POLICE!", not politely dropping by like the mailman.Have you ever been visited by a cop before?
Yeah, they knocked audibly on the door.
I've never not had that experience.
I was also in a nice neighborhood in an otherwise quiet house, and it's not like we can expect that our experiences with cops must be the same with everyone else.
Turncoat said:Not all races are topical, and attempting to whitewash it with "All Lives Matter" movements just serves to blur and bury the message.
Blacks get focused on more because of the crime rates. Sometimes the way shit is done is improper. For example, George Floyd's death was avoidable. It's a bit of a leap to assume this is over race, but maybe it was. My stance is emphasize police education. Not defund the police and go apeshit in the streets.
Turncoat said:No, I've been saying since early on that race is just a megaphone that lets the bigger issues within the police themselves be heard instead of buried. Cops need to be held more accountable, and whatever serves to get that message out is otherwise better than how it's otherwise been handled.
This leaves me to wonder what you think the line is. The Modesto Reyes case you brought up is a good example of where there needs to be more accountability. But I heavily disagree with you on the Breonna Taylor case. What kind of accountability do you think should exist, that doesn't right now?
Turncoat said:Yeah, that used to work but at this point it just serves to pacify us so that business as usual can continue within our factory farmed existence. It's an outdated model, the ones in charge have otherwise adapted.
The factory farming right now is that people are shoving narratives down our throats. Do you think anything that happened is legitimate reasoning for people to be smashing windows and throwing molotovs at police? You've bought into what actual Marxists are pushing.
Turncoat said:As I said above, they tend to render it down towards classism in the short term. Beyond that it's a State-by-State issue.
There sure is an odd correlation between the States having issues and what party they are represented by.
Police in America don't knock softly on your door.
One thing I think we could do differently, that you guys do well in Sweden: We could emphasize education for police more. But I'm not even sure the police were out of line here. And when you're responding to someone using a gun against you, the natural response is to use a gun back. What were the police supposed to do, run?
But only 1 out of 12 witnesses interviewed heard the police announce themselves or knock, and that apparently includes someone who was out for a smoke. This was an apartment complex, everyone should've heard it. I also just read they were plainclothes officers.
Education is vital, obviously, but so are laws and norms. Every step the police took in this situation seem wrong to me. They fail to announce themselves, they fail to wear recognizable uniforms, they barge in after midnight when people are sleeping and will be shocked, they target a completely innocent couple and an apartment they had no evidence was used in drug dealing and they ultimately return fire blindly (even through curtains) instead of making sure they have a clear line of sight.
Hey guize isn't it funny how in the 1960s the USA decided to stop teaching Civics Education in High Schools because politicians were sick of people compaining about war and corruption and so instead they turned Civics into Social Studies, effectively creating a populace that is unaware of its rights so that politicians can do corrupt things without suffering direct pushback like they did in the 1960s with the political movements and mass protests
Why can't BLM money go to the Democratic Party? Seems that'd be their best shot at changing things. As long as they're open about who they give to and why it seems fine to me.
The Democratic party is responsible for this chaos, hence these riots only happening in Democrat controlled states.
First if you can recall, the democratic party created the KKK, but today they perpetuate BLM, race baiting, defunding police, ( yes they seriously suggest defunding the police and some democratic states already have, with the intent to abolish police ) needless to say the democratic party take the chaos and include it in their policies only to gain favor and obtain power.
Democratic party will not do anything for black people, and never have. The list of broken promises go on and on.
Republican party, different story back then, and even now. Trump did more for black communities than any Democrat in all of history, but the programmed don't want to hear that.
People tend to follow the mainstream media lies too much. BLM is racist while black people think only bad things happened to their kind in past history and today.
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One thing about what I just wrote Inq. I know in Sweden this kind of text would be unpopular with the majority over there, including yourself. It was a mistake for your nation to outlaw disciplining their children, so it appears today's youth will sympathize with those they see having tantrums.
