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Inquirer said: 

AliceInWonderland said: 

We all live in our own delusions but it's really quite astonishing to witness such a grand narrative built completely on falsehoods become so widespread and moreover something that has dictated the mass actions we've witnessed these last few months. 

What false narrative is that exactly?

Every time there's white-on-black action, people have been conditioned to freak out about it. That's what gets the media coverage. Never mind that blacks create a disproportionate amount of crime, let's zoom the fuck in on white police retaliating against people pulling firearms against them, etc. Let's torch their buildings and destroy private businesses for just being in the area.

The false narrative is that we've not had severe racial issues for about 10 years, but people are pushing it to the media because it's politically expedient. BLM funds go directly to the Democratic Party. Look up the founders of BLM, the people pushing this radical race movement. Ties with Weather Underground and everything, what the fuck.

AliceInWonderland said: 

 That the Breonna Taylor case began with a no knock warrant, the police that showed did indeed knock and verbally stated their presence. 

 That the shooting was not justified, Breonnas bf opened fired at the officers and one of them was hit in the leg at such a point that officer then fired six shots. 

It's an unfortunate event but in this case the officers were justified in their response given they were shot at and hit, evidence and witness testimony collaborate this.

From what I've read whether police announced themselves properly or not seems to be in dispute. The boyfriend says he didn't hear it and I'm inclined to believe him. I often don't hear people knocking on my door. Personally though, even if they did shout "police!" first, kicking down someone's door in the middle of the night like that seems very reckless to me. It's possible they were legally justified in returning fire (since the boyfriend shot first, which he shouldn't have done) but I'd expect them to be much better prepared before they decide to cause a situation like this in the first place. It all just seems incredibly sloppy and unprofessional.

Naturally the narrative is going to exaggerate the race angle and I agree that's unfortunate. So is violent rioting and mob mentality. This way of policing shouldn't be a thing though and I'm sure it happens to black people more often than white. Or don't you think there's that much to take away from this other than that it was an unfortunate and tragic event?

The News is on the cop's take, I've straight up seen them sell out after cops made mistakes so that they don't become the only network without cop journalism. 

It's shit like this that has me more inclined to watch Vice, and even more so All Gas No Brakes: 

Tryptamine said: 

The false narrative is that we've not had severe racial issues for about 10 years, but people are pushing it to the media because it's politically expedient. BLM funds go directly to the Democratic Party. Look up the founders of BLM, the people pushing this radical race movement. Ties with Weather Underground and everything, what the fuck.

You mean there's a narrative making things out to be worse now than before when that's not true?

Why can't BLM money go to the Democratic Party? Seems that'd be their best shot at changing things. As long as they're open about who they give to and why it seems fine to me.

"Obviously we've had two officers shot tonight, and that is very serious that is a very dangerous condition"

Inquirer said: 

AliceInWonderland said: 

 That the Breonna Taylor case began with a no knock warrant, the police that showed did indeed knock and verbally stated their presence. 

 That the shooting was not justified, Breonnas bf opened fired at the officers and one of them was hit in the leg at such a point that officer then fired six shots. 

It's an unfortunate event but in this case the officers were justified in their response given they were shot at and hit, evidence and witness testimony collaborate this.

From what I've read whether police announced themselves properly or not seems to be in dispute.

It is for BLM 

The boyfriend says he didn't hear it and I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm inclined to believe him as well, his perception doesn't change the reality though. 

I often don't hear people knocking on my door.Personally though, even if they did shout "police!" first, kicking down someone's door in the middle of the night like that seems very reckless to me.

Knocked, made their presence known, and had a warrant which gave them the legal right to break down the door after no response. 

This is standard protocol and is literally the purpose of gaining a warrant in the first place.

It's possible they were legally justified in returning fire (since the boyfriend shot first, which he shouldn't have done) but I'd expect them to be much better prepared before they decide to cause a situation like this in the first place. It all just seems incredibly sloppy and unprofessional.

It's not even debatable that it was legally possible they were justified, last nights protests are a literal response to them being acquitted. 

They were certainly prepared and followed standard procedure. 

They viewed this particular case to be soft which so they chose to do a knock warrant. After several knocks and verbally making their presence known with no response they then will enter the home forcefully. Were they supposed to just leave? 

They entered, were shot at, return fired and quickly ended the situation. 

Naturally the narrative is going to exaggerate the race angle and I agree that's unfortunate. So is violent rioting and mob mentality. This way of policing shouldn't be a thing though and I'm sure it happens to black people more often than white. Or don't you think there's that much to take away from this other than that it was an unfortunate and tragic event?

 Is it happening to them more? Idk. Probably as simple as looking at demographic data for warrants. If that is true is it necessarly divisive or is it merely a consequence of crime demographic distributions? 

Tryptamine said: 

Inquirer said: 

AliceInWonderland said: 

We all live in our own delusions but it's really quite astonishing to witness such a grand narrative built completely on falsehoods become so widespread and moreover something that has dictated the mass actions we've witnessed these last few months. 

What false narrative is that exactly?

Every time there's white-on-black action, people have been conditioned to freak out about it.

It's far, far, from every time. There's far more names being said than paid attention to when it comes to police brutality stories. 

Did you even hear the name Modesto Reyes for example? They have to push this hard for any attention to go towards it. It's not like every situation's another Rayshard Brooks or something, there's more being forgotten than given their due diligence. 

Never mind that blacks create a disproportionate amount of crime, let's zoom the fuck in on white police retaliating against people pulling firearms against them, etc.

This has nothing to do with anything.

Police are supposed to be enforcing the law, and many of them through Occupational Immunity are getting away with senseless violence on innocent people, such as with the Breonna Taylor case. We already have plenty of the narrative mirrored from the right about "defending themselves once police come barging into their homes with firearms" (unannounced over a mistaken address even), so why is it different when it's a black person? We also have many cases where racist organizations are trying to get their own people into law enforcement positions to get away with blatant atrocities through said immunity. 

Cops should be held accountable, and instead we see the media defending them the minute they're cornered. We're at this point stuck with independent news outlets if we want to avoid the steering, the likes seen on both Fox and CNN alike. 

Let's torch their buildings and destroy private businesses for just being in the area.

It's the only way they're going to be heard. 

This is not a Martin Luther King era anymore, we need Malcolm X. 

The false narrative is that we've not had severe racial issues for about 10 years, but people are pushing it to the media because it's politically expedient. BLM funds go directly to the Democratic Party. Look up the founders of BLM, the people pushing this radical race movement. Ties with Weather Underground and everything, what the fuck.

I mean, considering the demographics being appealed to, why would the right defend black lives? 

Even ignoring the racism within the party, the rhetoric tends to keep it more about Classism than Racism in favor of the upper class while directly opposed to progressive views that would stand to reach into their pockets. 

AliceInWonderland said: 

I often don't hear people knocking on my door.Personally though, even if they did shout "police!" first, kicking down someone's door in the middle of the night like that seems very reckless to me.

Knocked, made their presence known, and had a warrant which gave them the legal right to break down the door after no response. 

This is standard protocol and is literally the purpose of gaining a warrant in the first place.

Just because it's technically legal doesn't mean we shouldn't expect police to be professional and good at what they're doing. They should be experts at this. For instance, the difference between actually making sure their presence is known and mumbling out "police" is huge, wouldn't you say?

I have no way of knowing whether they announced themselves well or not but if only 1 out of 10 neighbors heard them (from what I read) and seemingly neither person inside the apartment then this seems unlikely to me. No body cameras either. Also why do the raid in the middle of the night when your main suspect isn't even there and you haven't made sure anything drug-related actually goes on in the apartment? Why return fire blindly through covered windows?

 

Naturally the narrative is going to exaggerate the race angle and I agree that's unfortunate. So is violent rioting and mob mentality. This way of policing shouldn't be a thing though and I'm sure it happens to black people more often than white. Or don't you think there's that much to take away from this other than that it was an unfortunate and tragic event?

 Is it happening to them more? Idk. Probably as simple as looking at demographic data for warrants. If that is true is it necessarly divisive or is it merely a consequence of crime demographic distributions? 

But isn't that crime demographic distribution a big part of this problem?

Inquirer said: 

AliceInWonderland said: 

I often don't hear people knocking on my door.Personally though, even if they did shout "police!" first, kicking down someone's door in the middle of the night like that seems very reckless to me.

Knocked, made their presence known, and had a warrant which gave them the legal right to break down the door after no response. 

This is standard protocol and is literally the purpose of gaining a warrant in the first place.

Just because it's technically legal doesn't mean we shouldn't expect police to be professional and good at what they're doing.

I think they did alright, followed protocol and nutralized the conflict. 

They weren't walking in there thinking they were going to be shot at, as they stated they believed this was a soft target - a situation in which they go gather evidence and perhaps make an arrest without much danger nor resistance. This is precisely why this wasn't a no knock situation. 

They should be experts at this. For instance, the difference between actually making sure their presence is known and mumbling out "police" is huge, wouldn't you say?

In all likely they probably thought they did make it known perfectly well enough. Others in the the building heard the knocks and their verbal ques and even came out of their doors to see what was going on - at such a time they were told to go back inside. These individuals were called as witnesses for the case. 

At that point there was no answer so they had to go in under uncertainty. 

If i was in that situation I would assume no one is home and at such a point I would do what I came to legally do - enter.

I have no way of knowing whether they announced themselves well or not but if only 1 out of 10 neighbors heard them (from what I read) and seemingly neither person inside the apartment then this seems unlikely to me. No body cameras either. Also why do the raid in the middle of the night when your main suspect isn't even there and you haven't made sure anything drug-related actually goes on in the apartment? Why return fire blindly through covered windows?

I mean 1 of 10 is pretty good. 

Regardless, they knocked and verbally stated their presence....that is all they are required to do and all they must do under protocol. 

Naturally the narrative is going to exaggerate the race angle and I agree that's unfortunate. So is violent rioting and mob mentality. This way of policing shouldn't be a thing though and I'm sure it happens to black people more often than white. Or don't you think there's that much to take away from this other than that it was an unfortunate and tragic event?

 Is it happening to them more? Idk. Probably as simple as looking at demographic data for warrants. If that is true is it necessarly divisive or is it merely a consequence of crime demographic distributions? 

But isn't that crime demographic distribution a big part of this problem?

That's a social and political question, and has nothing to do with policing. 

Police are only meant to enforce the law.

Why American born blacks commit more crime then their counter parts is a whole other discussion. 

Inquirer said:

if only 1 out of 10 neighbors heard them (from what I read) and seemingly neither person inside the apartment then this seems unlikely to me.

Yeah this entire thing sounds like a royal screw up on the cops' part, and they should be held liable for having made such a grave error. 

They are literally trained for this.