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 Trump's good at making people show their true TDS self. Just sit back a watch the heads explode. lol

 He's very fluent in speaking stupid, all he has to do is say the sky is blue and it fucks with them hard. It's real NPC shit that'll have them justifying why the sky might actually be red

I find it baffling how much of Trump has a way of having Hate Germs talk about how the party opposite the one talking about him is responding to him instead of looking at the man himself. 

He's a classic puppet king like many points in our history, but somehow people haven't gotten the message that this isn't news, it's just louder than normal because we elected a Professional Wrestler to run our country. 

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I changed it from clearly defined to singular in the edit. You have an "Us vs Them" rhetoric that comes out more loudly when things get rougher, and I think it's reducing your means in the moment of exploring a bigger picture. 

In most cases it can't be reduced to just a binary, that level of simplifying ignores way too much, especially in the modern age. 

You have to look at this as that. This current climate is by design now about identity politics and it is the only way to combat it.

I disagree, I think by taking in a bit from everyone that you can begin to pull at the common factors and differences between them in an attempt to find bigger answers. 

You're at this point saying you need this rhetoric like armor, when I personally don't feel very threatened. I grew up as "counter-culture" while watching the world "catch up" to ideas people like me were already having, while now you're having your turn as the "counter-culture" as your ideas grow outdated. 

It's a multifaceted situation, and simplifying it does yourself a disservice. That's specifically what both sides want, a dummy who goes for easy palatable information

Try to understand this like a businessman instead of as a conspiracy nut, follow the components that comprise it's structure instead of just coasting on sensationalist claims. Parties are an illusion meant to push a social civil war that'll exhaust us against eachother, the whole "A nation divided cannot stand" angle. 

You can't pander a middle ground anymore unless you're working within the confines of your own party. There is no both sides approach, one side clearly has the vast majority of support, immunity and is out of check.

You don't have to pander to a middle ground to otherwise judge or dislike both sides. 

This is just more bipartisan politics from you. There's no reason to pick a side unless you're settling with Blue Pilling. 

Intolerance and violence never have been.

Both. Sides. Do it. 

Is it just shocking you because you were raised during a time where The Right controlled The Censor? This just looks like more corporate shenanigans to me within a new social climate that's responding to changes in it's tools. 

How much danger do you think you're even in, really? 

You can say that, and point out some fringe instances but you're refusing to acknowledge the left is doing it exponentially more than the right.

Exponentially is a huge claim when you use History as your basis. 

You're just sad to see the side you're not as fond of currently having more pull socially, lighten up. Left's been waiting for their turn for a bit now, and soon enough it'll fall into another party's hands again, and again, and again...

It's a human problem. 

As far as the danger part goes, I challenge you as a white male to go walking outside with a maga hat on to one of these protests.

Only an idiot would go deep into these protests during the heights of COVID. Social, Distancing. 

If not for that it'd be worth it. 

This is a war of ideas, the armor is information, and the weapon is charisma's potential for group steering. As I mentioned before, 4chan has showed us that this can be in the hands of anyone, and therefor this issue is more of an invisible hydra than a party problem. 

No. To push an agenda like this you really need to pander as a benevolent oligarch in the modern era, doing it for the people and not for themselves. The new formula for the erosion of rights is the facade that you are preserving some for others or keeping people safe. It's a bait that's bitten eagerly everytime because liberals love to condescendingly virtue signal.

You just need to push a large enough body of people these days. Wealth helps, especially when you have access to sound techniques and graphic design to push agendas, but if you want to go into this entire phenomenon you'll need to go even further than politics and even explore how music trends and seasonal affect can push people. 

There's a lot more layers here than you're factoring in. It's just about money, and The Left is just a side of convenience. It's human nature to feel like our own idea of "what's right" is worth enforcing, even if our idea of it is just a mirror of the thing we just spent time saying was "bad". 


The party system is a distraction that shrouds the real problems, and the deeper you subscribe to it the more that you'll be susceptible to the hate germ's inherent brainwashing that both sides work in tandem to keep in motion. It by design is meant to give a binary view that builds towards the model of a Social Civil War when compared to lets say... a three party system where you can't just blame "THEM" for "The Bad Things" that happened. By turning us against each other we will never focus on where the problems actually are, and this "chaos" as some might see it I see as essential to cause greater changes. 

IMO if you allow yourself to be a tool of a tyrant you are no better than one.

So you're no better than a tyrant? 

I don't see how subcultural pulls aren't registering on your radar, you're stuck at the surface level as you sit here yelling at us about The Local News. Most individuals just reflect their subscriptions, and you're doing it to the point of zealotry. 

Why not explore this more like an Existentialist for a minute? 

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The liberal party is now thee side corporations and foreign influence cater to because they are pulling their strings.

Corporate is evil and always has been, sucking the life out of anything genuine by parasiting onto it and becoming it. It's been around ruining things for longer than you've been alive, and I worry that you only are just noticing it now because of a personal feeling of persecution. 

...if that's the case, then that means you're only late to this party because of how The Censor was once on your side. If pressed further you'd likely forgo The Free Marketplace of Ideas in favor of Right Wing Fascism, which is basically taking one problem and replacing it with the same fucking problem in different packaging. 

It's a business and we're being factory farmed, take that pill now or forever keep consuming the bipartisan illusion while falling face first into "The Race Enigma". This shit's bait man, look at how it's used to keep people in line and distracted. 

They have shown time and time again they are too busy indulging in their glee of triumph to realize they are just benefactors of a national manipulation.

Wow how unfamiliar. I'm sure this has never happened before. 

There is no political solution anymore, they need to be assimilated  by force if necessary to even keep a semblance of conservative values in this country in the next 10 years. 

Oh yes, lets replace this problem with something even more glaringly rigid and unadaptive. 

A lot of what led us here is over how other answers weren't copacetic. Down the line, the bipartisan poison has shown itself to be the easiest and most efficient way of downplaying a population through exhausting it against itself. 

Escape the programming and see that this is about how others are being pushed, like dominos in a line or like ripples in a pond. This isn't some great crusade where "The Left" is either mistaken or demonic, this is people on both sides who are confused while both larger and independent interests take advantage of artificial situations. It's really not that different from the impacts advertisements have on people beyond the responses that people are aiming to conjure out of people. 

This is about how the ego of specific personalities can affect large bodies of people, it's a celebrity contagion where the followers enact a collage of appropriated ideas they found online. You have very clearly defined walls right now that I can tell make it harder for you to sort through the bias, but I assure you there's definitely more going on than "Left Bad, Right Good". 

There really isn't. You have a corporate shadow aristocracy that is literally funding, radicalizing them into marxists and directing the DNC.

A co-founder of BLM says some shit and suddenly everyone under that banner must be a "Marxist". In the modern age where a movement can be taken up as easily as sharing a post you read somewhere, I can't sit here and call an entire movement based on the subcultural claims of one of it's members. Pre-internet that stuff would have been in the pre-rhetoric before they did more, but most on board with this just think they're fighting "evil" just like the other party's thinking. 

No one seems to want to say why it's bad to be a Marxist, either. I think it's just the power of the word itself, and if people looked at the direction things are starting to go as machines take over... programs like Socialism start to make more and more sense. 

Escape your programming, literally.

It's programming to assume there's a good guy and a bad guy in bipartisan politics. 

The only way out is to look at how both of them are corrupt, and what within our system lets such things go on. 

Are you kidding, you're sitting here demonstrating a glaring example of tunnel vision that your former self would find shameful. 

My former self lacked about 4 years of daily international news sifting and knowledge of the current political climate. I was a centrist for a long time, I saw the game when they used to pander back and forth but it's clear now they have picked a side.

Your former self gave people the benefit of the doubt more as individuals than as sides. At this point you've begun slamming people just for having some lip service or leanings in a direction that isn't yours. 

It's like you've fallen right back into the old "You're either with us or against us" model from Bush II's era. How are you supposed to see big picture problems within a system if you're becoming a zealously lost part of it? 

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This happens on both sides 

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Kestrel said: 

I changed it from clearly defined to singular in the edit. You have an "Us vs Them" rhetoric that comes out more loudly when things get rougher, and I think it's reducing your means in the moment of exploring a bigger picture. 

In most cases it can't be reduced to just a binary, that level of simplifying ignores way too much, especially in the modern age. 

You have to look at this as that. This current climate is by design now about identity politics and it is the only way to combat it.

I disagree, I think by taking in a bit from everyone that you can begin to pull at the common factors and differences between them in an attempt to find bigger answers. 

You're at this point saying you need this rhetoric like armor, when I personally don't feel very threatened. I grew up as "counter-culture" while watching the world "catch up" to ideas people like me were already having, while now you're having your turn as the "counter-culture" as your ideas grow outdated. 

It's a multifaceted situation, and simplifying it does yourself a disservice. That's specifically what both sides want, a dummy who goes for easy palatable information

Try to understand this like a businessman instead of as a conspiracy nut, follow the components that comprise it's structure instead of just coasting on sensationalist claims. Parties are an illusion meant to push a social civil war that'll exhaust us against eachother, the whole "A nation divided cannot stand" angle. 

You can't pander a middle ground anymore unless you're working within the confines of your own party. There is no both sides approach, one side clearly has the vast majority of support, immunity and is out of check.

You don't have to pander to a middle ground to otherwise judge or dislike both sides. 

This is just more bipartisan politics from you. There's no reason to pick a side unless you're settling with Blue Pilling. 

You can in your own beliefs keep centrist ideals. But you wont make a difference pandering like that. Why does this need explained

Intolerance and violence never have been.

Both. Sides. Do it. 

Is it just shocking you because you were raised during a time where The Right controlled The Censor? This just looks like more corporate shenanigans to me within a new social climate that's responding to changes in it's tools. 

How much danger do you think you're even in, really? 

You can say that, and point out some fringe instances but you're refusing to acknowledge the left is doing it exponentially more than the right.

Exponentially is a huge claim when you use History as your basis. 

You're just sad to see the side you're not as fond of currently having more pull socially, lighten up. Left's been waiting for their turn for a bit now, and soon enough it'll fall into another party's hands again, and again, and again...

It's a human problem. 

Why would you sidestep to history when this is clearly about what's happening right now? Even historically democrats have never been treated this bad and even if they were is this somehow supposed to justify this? Yeah Bro, im just mad the dems are gaining traction. DEFINITELY NOT BECAUSE MY RIGHTS ,MY HISTORY IS BEING SHAMED/DESTROYED BEFORE MY VERY EYES AND AMAZON IS TELLING ME TO LOVE IT.  

There is no right wing resurgence, that pendulum stopped the moment the media got bought out. There will be this last one from people alive before the media monopoly, but if we don't come out the victors the right will cease to exist as we know it.

As far as the danger part goes, I challenge you as a white male to go walking outside with a maga hat on to one of these protests.

Only an idiot would go deep into these protests during the heights of COVID. Social, Distancing. 

If not for that it'd be worth it. 

You'd get beaten to say the least. This is the climate and grip the Left has on this nation. You couldn't even endorse your president without risking losing your life in the streets during these protests. There is no right wing equivalent of this today and if there was the backlash would be tremondous.

This is a war of ideas, the armor is information, and the weapon is charisma's potential for group steering. As I mentioned before, 4chan has showed us that this can be in the hands of anyone, and therefor this issue is more of an invisible hydra than a party problem. 

No. To push an agenda like this you really need to pander as a benevolent oligarch in the modern era, doing it for the people and not for themselves. The new formula for the erosion of rights is the facade that you are preserving some for others or keeping people safe. It's a bait that's bitten eagerly everytime because liberals love to condescendingly virtue signal.

You just need to push a large enough body of people these days. Wealth helps, especially when you have access to sound techniques and graphic design to push agendas, but if you want to go into this entire phenomenon you'll need to go even further than politics and even explore how music trends and seasonal affect can push people. 

There's a lot more layers here than you're factoring in. It's just about money, and The Left is just a side of convenience. It's human nature to feel like our own idea of "what's right" is worth enforcing, even if our idea of it is just a mirror of the thing we just spent time saying was "bad". 

>bashes me for believing in Globalist Jewish conspiracy theories

>"There's a lot more layers here than you're factoring in. It's just about money, and The Left is just a side of convenience."

Oh I know this all too well. I've even mentioned this point to you in a different post. The game of politics has been about money, they used to pander left and right but its clear they've taken a side. Do you really expect apple, google and facebook to someday become right wing? lmao 

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Kestrel said: 

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This happens on both sides 

 It's a troll, if you don't know the spirit of r/JusticServed this tends to happen every other week. If you do know it's a troll and still going ahead with it idk what to tell you 

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Kestrel said: 

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This happens on both sides 

 It's a troll, if you don't know the spirit of r/JusticServed this tends to happen every other week. If you do know it's a troll and still going ahead with it idk what to tell you 

 I think you underestimate the political climate of reddit.

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Kestrel said: 

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This happens on both sides 

I mean, it does, both sides have their own chat platforms now, but really dude, jumping right back onto The Main Feed? Again you might as well be insulting The Local News.

The right has their own safe space now, both sides do, so what's the issue here? If there were no alternatives that'd be one thing, but you're at this point straight up ignoring the sheer number of options people have now. If someone blocks people off from a service (over corporatism), then there will always be some rebel who crowdfunds their own freedom. That is the nature of Counter-Culturalism, and even The Furry Community went through it's own stint of it.

It's human patterns, it's hate germs within a corporate structure, and you're sick with the germs right now:



Even Roger Stone saw the political climate shifting, and became Libertarian once that was the Corporate Handle during it's transition towards The Left.

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Kestrel said: 

I changed it from clearly defined to singular in the edit. You have an "Us vs Them" rhetoric that comes out more loudly when things get rougher, and I think it's reducing your means in the moment of exploring a bigger picture. 

In most cases it can't be reduced to just a binary, that level of simplifying ignores way too much, especially in the modern age. 

You have to look at this as that. This current climate is by design now about identity politics and it is the only way to combat it.

I disagree, I think by taking in a bit from everyone that you can begin to pull at the common factors and differences between them in an attempt to find bigger answers. 

You're at this point saying you need this rhetoric like armor, when I personally don't feel very threatened. I grew up as "counter-culture" while watching the world "catch up" to ideas people like me were already having, while now you're having your turn as the "counter-culture" as your ideas grow outdated. 

It's a multifaceted situation, and simplifying it does yourself a disservice. That's specifically what both sides want, a dummy who goes for easy palatable information

Try to understand this like a businessman instead of as a conspiracy nut, follow the components that comprise it's structure instead of just coasting on sensationalist claims. Parties are an illusion meant to push a social civil war that'll exhaust us against eachother, the whole "A nation divided cannot stand" angle. 

You can't pander a middle ground anymore unless you're working within the confines of your own party. There is no both sides approach, one side clearly has the vast majority of support, immunity and is out of check.

You don't have to pander to a middle ground to otherwise judge or dislike both sides. 

This is just more bipartisan politics from you. There's no reason to pick a side unless you're settling with Blue Pilling. 

You can in your own beliefs keep centrist ideals. But you wont make a difference pandering like that.

Is it even centrist?

Centrists are taken by people as "wishywashy", while I'm taken as "the enemy" of both agendas. I'd say that I am largely Counter-Culture with a bender against The Censor and Corporate Tie Ins, and that my experiences within Pop Culture, Art, and a smattering of History's shown me how these enemies don't pick a side either, but rather take up banners of convenience to push terrible goals under both guises.

To hate what both do does not make me a blend of the two, but rather a critic of each.

Why does this need explained

It needs explaining over how everyone isn't you. This elitist stance over a Kindergartener's sense of "Good vs Evil" isn't really palatable towards people who've done more research.

I pick the stances that I do because they support my individual interests, hence how I can be flagrantly transexual while not being the LGBTQ's pawn. I see how both sides are trying to appeal to emotion right now and, frankly, it's gross to see them try to coast on logical fallacies meant to garner in bigger numbers.

Intolerance and violence never have been.

Both. Sides. Do it. 

Is it just shocking you because you were raised during a time where The Right controlled The Censor? This just looks like more corporate shenanigans to me within a new social climate that's responding to changes in it's tools. 

How much danger do you think you're even in, really? 

You can say that, and point out some fringe instances but you're refusing to acknowledge the left is doing it exponentially more than the right.

Exponentially is a huge claim when you use History as your basis. 

You're just sad to see the side you're not as fond of currently having more pull socially, lighten up. Left's been waiting for their turn for a bit now, and soon enough it'll fall into another party's hands again, and again, and again...

It's a human problem. 

Why would you sidestep to history when this is clearly about what's happening right now?

History repeats itself, and it's doing so with familiar tools.

You're acting all blind sighted, likely because The Right once wielded The Censor more pridefully. I've been disillusioned for over half of my life, so I've had more time to explore how Red and Blue aren't what's worth looking at, but that what matters here is the Green (money, not the party).

Even historically democrats have never been treated this bad and even if they were is this somehow supposed to justify this?

Historically speaking the Democratic Party was more traditionally Right Wing while the Republican Party was more Leftist. It doesn't make sense to compare the two when it was a drastically different environment where entirely different politics wore familiar clothes, but...

...it does make sense to analyze the tools that were used at the time for commonalities. It might be new names for things, but a lot of it's callbacks on the classics within a new toolset.

Yeah Bro, im just mad the dems are gaining traction. DEFINITELY NOT BECAUSE MY RIGHTS ,MY HISTORY IS BEING SHAMED/DESTROYED BEFORE MY VERY EYES AND AMAZON IS TELLING ME TO LOVE IT.  

There is no right wing resurgence, that pendulum stopped the moment the media got bought out. There will be this last one from people alive before the media monopoly, but if we don't come out the victors the right will cease to exist as we know it.

Go back to Bush II for a minute and tell me this isn't a flipped mirror.

Their politics had bands becoming defunded for speaking against the party, entire shows worth of parody were ripped off the air for mocking our president, and that was the start of "what I say online" being monitored. Even library records for who checked out a Qur'an without being put onto a government list. 

Congrats my dude, you're now feeling how The Left felt years ago. Facebook was not our safe space at that time either, but at least your party made their own platforms to continue discussing their personal freedoms. If anything, this time period offers more for your people than it did for The Left during it's time as the underdog during a time of Information Warfare.

Catch up dude, this isn't news, it's developments on older news. It's really not this shocking, it's the US's corporate face being led astray through two differing sets of fascist rhetoric.

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