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Tropical Delora said:
they were hurting us for their own gain

They may be doing it for financial reasons, but their findings could help people with issues like yours never have to live the life that you did, never have to face the challenges you still find yourself stuck with. 

You were a guinea pig for the sake of not only the slim hope of fixing you, but the further hope of fixing others moving forward. 

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Tropical Delora said:
they were hurting us for their own gain

They may be doing it for financial reasons, but their findings could help people with issues like yours never have to live the life that you did, never have to face the challenges you still find yourself stuck with. 

You were a guinea pig for the sake of not only the slim hope of fixing you, but the further hope of fixing others moving forward. 

 i was a guinea pig against my will and my parents, same goes for my brother, when they tried to pull us out, they blackmailed my parents with the evidence of the abuse they were doing on us. part of this drags into the very complex reason my mother agreed to be experimented on herself in order to keep my brother

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I mean yeah, programs meant to house special needs children can have facilities set up like that. 

It sounds similar to a mental ward, but one that aimed to utilize unconventional teaching practices to try to get them to catch up to others that are otherwise learning more conventionally. 

The third party company factor makes a lot of sense actually, they are likely utilizing these tests for the future of developing programs to help combat the struggles of those at the deep ends of mental abnormality. 

 my brother went to the same place, and he started beating himself up and having seizure like episodes. my mom said they were experimenting on us. i know this is true, my friend elijah cotton at that time was given a medication that made him always sad, and he was a different person, and after he changed they mad him go to a different group. sometimes some kids in our group would all show the same change, and they would be separated, but we rarely ever had new people introduced to our group

 so if your brother went to the same place, they weren't experimenting on you because of your "incredibly high iq pattern recognition" from a test you were given................which is what you kept saying was the reason. so, I was kind of right here with my first post

 the reason I gave might not have been the primary reason either, but it definitely doesn't seem to be related to having a high iq. It seems the primary reason is because you are part of a military family. were your grandparents on your mother's side in the military / part of a military family?

 nope, in fact most of my classmates had no military affiliations, also at that time my dad worked for the cia and airforce but it was the cia that coaxed him to bring me and my brother to johns hopkins and leave hawaii

ok so what was the common denominator? Your brother, as sweet and innocent as he appears so I do not mean this in a hurtful way, is obviously severely mentally handicapped so it's not an iq thing

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I mean yeah, programs meant to house special needs children can have facilities set up like that. 

It sounds similar to a mental ward, but one that aimed to utilize unconventional teaching practices to try to get them to catch up to others that are otherwise learning more conventionally. 

The third party company factor makes a lot of sense actually, they are likely utilizing these tests for the future of developing programs to help combat the struggles of those at the deep ends of mental abnormality. 

 my brother went to the same place, and he started beating himself up and having seizure like episodes. my mom said they were experimenting on us. i know this is true, my friend elijah cotton at that time was given a medication that made him always sad, and he was a different person, and after he changed they mad him go to a different group. sometimes some kids in our group would all show the same change, and they would be separated, but we rarely ever had new people introduced to our group

 so if your brother went to the same place, they weren't experimenting on you because of your "incredibly high iq pattern recognition" from a test you were given................which is what you kept saying was the reason. so, I was kind of right here with my first post

 the reason I gave might not have been the primary reason either, but it definitely doesn't seem to be related to having a high iq. It seems the primary reason is because you are part of a military family. were your grandparents on your mother's side in the military / part of a military family?

 nope, in fact most of my classmates had no military affiliations, also at that time my dad worked for the cia and airforce but it was the cia that coaxed him to bring me and my brother to johns hopkins and leave hawaii

 ok so what was the common denominator? Your brother, as sweet and innocent as he appears so I do not mean this in a hurtful way, is obviously severely mentally handicapped so it's not an iq thing

 my brother was in a different group, my brother has severe autism, i had high functioning autism, every person in my own group had a high iq and was given the same test.

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Tropical Delora said:
they were hurting us for their own gain

They may be doing it for financial reasons, but their findings could help people with issues like yours never have to live the life that you did, never have to face the challenges you still find yourself stuck with. 

You were a guinea pig for the sake of not only the slim hope of fixing you, but the further hope of fixing others moving forward. 

i was a guinea pig against my will and my parents, same goes for my brother

They likely signed away your rights to the program when they initially entered you two into it. 

They have to not be held liable when they're otherwise just trying to do their jobs. Adrenaline during a freak out can make even children scarier, especially if they get a hold of something sharp or dangerous. 

when they tried to pull us out, they blackmailed my parents with the evidence of the abuse they were doing on us.

How do they blackmail your family with the facility's own faults and mistakes? This makes no sense. 

part of this drags into the very complex reason my mother agreed to be experimented on herself in order to keep my brother

This just tells me that they noted a genetic component and decided to use her to further understand their test results. 

When I was being tested for disorders in a much more casual environment, they did have my father come in to test for comparisons and possible ideas of what's going on. 

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we were also all tested and shown to have a low social iq and be socially retarded, however only 2 of the students i knew claimed this, but all the parents i spoke with and asked about it said it was the case for their kids (and also my parents spoke with)

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I mean yeah, programs meant to house special needs children can have facilities set up like that. 

It sounds similar to a mental ward, but one that aimed to utilize unconventional teaching practices to try to get them to catch up to others that are otherwise learning more conventionally. 

The third party company factor makes a lot of sense actually, they are likely utilizing these tests for the future of developing programs to help combat the struggles of those at the deep ends of mental abnormality. 

 my brother went to the same place, and he started beating himself up and having seizure like episodes. my mom said they were experimenting on us. i know this is true, my friend elijah cotton at that time was given a medication that made him always sad, and he was a different person, and after he changed they mad him go to a different group. sometimes some kids in our group would all show the same change, and they would be separated, but we rarely ever had new people introduced to our group

 so if your brother went to the same place, they weren't experimenting on you because of your "incredibly high iq pattern recognition" from a test you were given................which is what you kept saying was the reason. so, I was kind of right here with my first post

 the reason I gave might not have been the primary reason either, but it definitely doesn't seem to be related to having a high iq. It seems the primary reason is because you are part of a military family. were your grandparents on your mother's side in the military / part of a military family?

 nope, in fact most of my classmates had no military affiliations, also at that time my dad worked for the cia and airforce but it was the cia that coaxed him to bring me and my brother to johns hopkins and leave hawaii

 ok so what was the common denominator? Your brother, as sweet and innocent as he appears so I do not mean this in a hurtful way, is obviously severely mentally handicapped so it's not an iq thing

 my brother was in a different group, my brother has severe autism, i had high functioning autism, every person in my own group had a high iq and was given the same test.

ok that might be true I'm not going to necessarily debate that, but still the primary reason they were experimenting on you wasn't because you had a high iq, that was just the group you were put in. so what is the real common denominator between everyone they were experimenting on during the time you were there?

 

was it mental disabilities or something else? or just whatever children whose parents would allow them to be experimented on?

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we were also all tested and shown to have a low social iq and be socially retarded 

 All as in, everyone that you know of who were being experimented on at the time including from all the different groups?

 

edit: read your edit. so seems this is a yes and is the common denominator? does your mother have a low social iq as well because you mentioned she was experimented on as well and was that around the same time you and your brother were, or was it when she was younger?

last edit on 6/25/2020 10:20:01 AM
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I mean yeah, programs meant to house special needs children can have facilities set up like that. 

It sounds similar to a mental ward, but one that aimed to utilize unconventional teaching practices to try to get them to catch up to others that are otherwise learning more conventionally. 

The third party company factor makes a lot of sense actually, they are likely utilizing these tests for the future of developing programs to help combat the struggles of those at the deep ends of mental abnormality. 

 my brother went to the same place, and he started beating himself up and having seizure like episodes. my mom said they were experimenting on us. i know this is true, my friend elijah cotton at that time was given a medication that made him always sad, and he was a different person, and after he changed they mad him go to a different group. sometimes some kids in our group would all show the same change, and they would be separated, but we rarely ever had new people introduced to our group

 so if your brother went to the same place, they weren't experimenting on you because of your "incredibly high iq pattern recognition" from a test you were given................which is what you kept saying was the reason. so, I was kind of right here with my first post

 the reason I gave might not have been the primary reason either, but it definitely doesn't seem to be related to having a high iq. It seems the primary reason is because you are part of a military family. were your grandparents on your mother's side in the military / part of a military family?

 nope, in fact most of my classmates had no military affiliations, also at that time my dad worked for the cia and airforce but it was the cia that coaxed him to bring me and my brother to johns hopkins and leave hawaii

 ok so what was the common denominator? Your brother, as sweet and innocent as he appears so I do not mean this in a hurtful way, is obviously severely mentally handicapped so it's not an iq thing

 my brother was in a different group, my brother has severe autism, i had high functioning autism, every person in my own group had a high iq and was given the same test.

ok that might be true I'm not going to necessarily debate that, but still the primary reason they were experimenting on you wasn't because you had a high iq, that was just the group you were put in. so what is the real common denominator between everyone they were experimenting on during the time you were there?

 

was it mental disabilities or something else? or just whatever children whose parents would allow them to be experimented on?

 we all had autism, we all had a high iq on the shape test, and a low iq on the social test, we all displayed more than just mild autism although were still high functioning, we all rocked back and forth, flapped out hands, and so on, although different people would have different random movements as well it would depend, jose touched her crotch a lot for self comfort, and i would pick at my arms and make them bleed and i still have scars all over my arms. it really depends, although there was a lot of hand flapping. but we loved eachother, we grew to be like sibblings. jose became insane, but she was seperated from our group, although she came back a few years later, though was still insane. when a child went to insane, they went to a new group for a while. one year i was in another group, but i remember nothing about this group, nothing at all, no names, no faces, no genders, nothing. the group went away to somewhere else, and i was returned to my usual group a few months after

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