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we were also all tested and shown to have a low social iq and be socially retarded 

 All as in, everyone that you know of who were being experimented on at the time including from all the different groups?

 

edit: read your edit. so seems this is a yes and is the common denominator? does your mother have a low social iq as well because you mentioned she was experimented on as well and was that around the same time you and your brother were, or was it when she was younger?

 I edited if you miss it

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my mom does not have a low social iq and my mother was not given the iq test as far as i know, the only people who took this test were the people in my group that i know of. my mom was not given puzzles, and only had one medicine tested on her that made her be in bed for a while at the hospital. i would play legos in the room next door, though one day i ate some legos and they took away the legos and gave me blocks, but i would not play with thoes, and so they gave me a big cardboard box which i requested

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I mean yeah, programs meant to house special needs children can have facilities set up like that. 

It sounds similar to a mental ward, but one that aimed to utilize unconventional teaching practices to try to get them to catch up to others that are otherwise learning more conventionally. 

The third party company factor makes a lot of sense actually, they are likely utilizing these tests for the future of developing programs to help combat the struggles of those at the deep ends of mental abnormality. 

 my brother went to the same place, and he started beating himself up and having seizure like episodes. my mom said they were experimenting on us. i know this is true, my friend elijah cotton at that time was given a medication that made him always sad, and he was a different person, and after he changed they mad him go to a different group. sometimes some kids in our group would all show the same change, and they would be separated, but we rarely ever had new people introduced to our group

 so if your brother went to the same place, they weren't experimenting on you because of your "incredibly high iq pattern recognition" from a test you were given................which is what you kept saying was the reason. so, I was kind of right here with my first post

 the reason I gave might not have been the primary reason either, but it definitely doesn't seem to be related to having a high iq. It seems the primary reason is because you are part of a military family. were your grandparents on your mother's side in the military / part of a military family?

 nope, in fact most of my classmates had no military affiliations, also at that time my dad worked for the cia and airforce but it was the cia that coaxed him to bring me and my brother to johns hopkins and leave hawaii

 ok so what was the common denominator? Your brother, as sweet and innocent as he appears so I do not mean this in a hurtful way, is obviously severely mentally handicapped so it's not an iq thing

 my brother was in a different group, my brother has severe autism, i had high functioning autism, every person in my own group had a high iq and was given the same test.

ok that might be true I'm not going to necessarily debate that, but still the primary reason they were experimenting on you wasn't because you had a high iq, that was just the group you were put in. so what is the real common denominator between everyone they were experimenting on during the time you were there?

 

was it mental disabilities or something else? or just whatever children whose parents would allow them to be experimented on?

 we all had autism, we all had a high iq on the shape test, and a low iq on the social test, we all displayed more than just mild autism although were still high functioning, we all rocked back and forth, flapped out hands, and so on, although different people would have different random movements as well it would depend, jose touched her crotch a lot for self comfort, and i would pick at my arms and make them bleed and i still have scars all over my arms. it really depends, although there was a lot of hand flapping. but we loved eachother, we grew to be like sibblings. jose became insane, but she was seperated from our group, although she came back a few years later, though was still insane. when a child went to insane, they went to a new group for a while. one year i was in another group, but i remember nothing about this group, nothing at all, no names, no faces, no genders, nothing. the group went away to somewhere else, and i was returned to my usual group a few months after

 this sounds really scary. Do you see from Turncoat's perspective how their intentions might be good though, do you think overall they will use their research to be able to possibly cure autism in the future? not necessarily eliminate, but cure like especially severely debilitating autism 

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we were also all tested and shown to have a low social iq and be socially retarded 

 All as in, everyone that you know of who were being experimented on at the time including from all the different groups?

 

edit: read your edit. so seems this is a yes and is the common denominator? does your mother have a low social iq as well because you mentioned she was experimented on as well and was that around the same time you and your brother were, or was it when she was younger?

 I edited if you miss it

 she was experimented on about 2 or three years, at most halfway, into me and my brother kki part of our life, so yes at the same time it overlapped with our experiments we had done on us but it was not the same duration of time

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I mean yeah, programs meant to house special needs children can have facilities set up like that. 

It sounds similar to a mental ward, but one that aimed to utilize unconventional teaching practices to try to get them to catch up to others that are otherwise learning more conventionally. 

The third party company factor makes a lot of sense actually, they are likely utilizing these tests for the future of developing programs to help combat the struggles of those at the deep ends of mental abnormality. 

 my brother went to the same place, and he started beating himself up and having seizure like episodes. my mom said they were experimenting on us. i know this is true, my friend elijah cotton at that time was given a medication that made him always sad, and he was a different person, and after he changed they mad him go to a different group. sometimes some kids in our group would all show the same change, and they would be separated, but we rarely ever had new people introduced to our group

 so if your brother went to the same place, they weren't experimenting on you because of your "incredibly high iq pattern recognition" from a test you were given................which is what you kept saying was the reason. so, I was kind of right here with my first post

 the reason I gave might not have been the primary reason either, but it definitely doesn't seem to be related to having a high iq. It seems the primary reason is because you are part of a military family. were your grandparents on your mother's side in the military / part of a military family?

 nope, in fact most of my classmates had no military affiliations, also at that time my dad worked for the cia and airforce but it was the cia that coaxed him to bring me and my brother to johns hopkins and leave hawaii

 ok so what was the common denominator? Your brother, as sweet and innocent as he appears so I do not mean this in a hurtful way, is obviously severely mentally handicapped so it's not an iq thing

 my brother was in a different group, my brother has severe autism, i had high functioning autism, every person in my own group had a high iq and was given the same test.

ok that might be true I'm not going to necessarily debate that, but still the primary reason they were experimenting on you wasn't because you had a high iq, that was just the group you were put in. so what is the real common denominator between everyone they were experimenting on during the time you were there?

 

was it mental disabilities or something else? or just whatever children whose parents would allow them to be experimented on?

 we all had autism, we all had a high iq on the shape test, and a low iq on the social test, we all displayed more than just mild autism although were still high functioning, we all rocked back and forth, flapped out hands, and so on, although different people would have different random movements as well it would depend, jose touched her crotch a lot for self comfort, and i would pick at my arms and make them bleed and i still have scars all over my arms. it really depends, although there was a lot of hand flapping. but we loved eachother, we grew to be like sibblings. jose became insane, but she was seperated from our group, although she came back a few years later, though was still insane. when a child went to insane, they went to a new group for a while. one year i was in another group, but i remember nothing about this group, nothing at all, no names, no faces, no genders, nothing. the group went away to somewhere else, and i was returned to my usual group a few months after

 this sounds really scary. Do you see from Turncoat's perspective how their intentions might be good though, do you think overall they will use their research to be able to possibly cure autism in the future? not necessarily eliminate, but cure like especially severely debilitating autism 

 they did not have good intentions. 

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justicewarrior2 said:
this sounds really scary. Do you see from Turncoat's perspective how their intentions might be good though, do you think overall they will use their research to be able to possibly cure autism in the future? not necessarily eliminate, but cure like especially severely debilitating autism

It's scary from the patients' perspective, but from the outside perspective it's parents wanting their kids cured that badly in a world that can't otherwise work with them within conventional means. 

It's a desperate situation where the children suffer in the hopes of never having to suffer again. Much of Childhood Pharmaceuticals and Child Mental Ward practices show many elements of her stories. 

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did you see my kangaroo rat thread?

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my mom does not have a low social iq and my mother was not given the iq test as far as i know, the only people who took this test were the people in my group that i know of. my mom was not given puzzles, and only had one medicine tested on her that made her be in bed for a while at the hospital. i would play legos in the room next door, though one day i ate some legos and they took away the legos and gave me blocks, but i would not play with thoes, and so they gave me a big cardboard box which i requested

hm okay. does she have any mental illnesses or disorders? otherwise seems they are also testing drugs on neurotypicals. maybe this is how they test new drugs after animal testing before marketing them

last edit on 6/25/2020 10:29:27 AM
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justicewarrior2 said:
this sounds really scary. Do you see from Turncoat's perspective how their intentions might be good though, do you think overall they will use their research to be able to possibly cure autism in the future? not necessarily eliminate, but cure like especially severely debilitating autism

It's scary from the patients' perspective, but from the outside perspective it's parents wanting their kids cured that badly in a world that can't otherwise work with them within conventional means. 

It's a desperate situation where the children suffer in the hopes of never having to suffer again. Much of Childhood Pharmaceuticals and Child Mental Ward practices show many elements of her stories. 

 my parents didnt want me "cured badly" nor my brother, we were there against there will for most of it.

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Why did they put you into the program in the first place? 

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