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So international law won't allow a pregnant woman to be sentenced to death. I wonder why... It's almost as if they know they are carrying a true human life that deserves dignity?

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Title says 'Change my mind..."

I rarely bother with abortion debates because people who say 'change my mind' are seldom open to it.  

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But anyhow...people who believe life starts at conception apply a non-biological understanding to when life begins. When you look at how pregnancy occurs, you can’t have a live pregnancy if you don’t have a live sperm meeting a live egg. So if the sperm is alive and the egg is alive then that means life begins before conception. Every time a woman has a period or a man ejaculates, life dies.

Essentially life is a process, not an event.

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Ideologically I am pro choice but pragmatically, in the current spirit of the time, I am pro life because we need more babies in the west. That's where the pendulum swings at the moment. 

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"You can’t answer religious questions with scientific answers. And you can’t answer scientific questions with religious answers."

Dr. Willie Parker is a devout Christian and an abortion doctor. He had an epiphany from listening to a sermon about what made a good Samaritan good. A good Samaritan asks “what will happen to this person if I don’t stop to help them?” He then asked himself what will happen to my patients if abortion care is not available to them. For many their lives will be ruined. And for him not helping them, is a non-Christian act.

vid is 2 minutes

 

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But anyhow...people who believe life starts at conception apply a non-biological understanding to when life begins. When you look at how pregnancy occurs, you can’t have a live pregnancy if you don’t have a live sperm meeting a live egg. So if the sperm is alive and the egg is alive then that means life begins before conception. Every time a woman has a period or a man ejaculates, life dies.

Essentially life is a process, not an event.

 The reason life starts when there's a separate set of DNA is because now it's a separate person. "My body my choice" would apply to an egg or sperm since it's the same DNA. It's alive but it's the exact same genetic code as the mother (egg) or father (sperm). When it has it's own DNA it's officially not "my body my choice". It's a unique individual with their unique genetic code.

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"You can’t answer religious questions with scientific answers. And you can’t answer scientific questions with religious answers."

Dr. Willie Parker is a devout Christian and an abortion doctor. He had an epiphany from listening to a sermon about what made a good Samaritan good. A good Samaritan asks “what will happen to this person if I don’t stop to help them?” He then asked himself what will happen to my patients if abortion care is not available to them. For many their lives will be ruined. And for him not helping them, is a non-Christian act.

vid is 2 minutes

 

Good debate. It's like... Imagine two people are both qualified for a job. One or the other will die if they don't get it but there's only one position. In each case neither has any family. One could kill the other and the consequence is that one person's life will be improved while the other will be dead. Otherwise their life will be ruined. Should they kill? This is an extreme case where they would die but usually it doesn't end in death just hardship.

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But anyhow...people who believe life starts at conception apply a non-biological understanding to when life begins. When you look at how pregnancy occurs, you can’t have a live pregnancy if you don’t have a live sperm meeting a live egg. So if the sperm is alive and the egg is alive then that means life begins before conception. Every time a woman has a period or a man ejaculates, life dies.

Essentially life is a process, not an event.

 Yes you're right the only way to convince me to be pro choice is to convince me to become a murderer. It's unthinkable :/

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Good debate. It's like... Imagine two people are both qualified for a job. Both will die if they don't get it but there's only one position. In each case neither has any family. One could kill the other and the consequence is that one person's life will be improved while the other will be dead. Otherwise their life will be ruined.
 

That's a weak false equivalency -- a fetus's survival is dependent on another. The person competing for the job is not dependent on the other. 

Following your logic though, you can make the exact same argument about a fetus coming to term killing it's mother. 

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Since you're religious, you might find this full interview with another Christian interesting...

(he addresses your views on murder)

http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/900382787648/

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