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Spatial Mind stated: source post

Ha ha ha  That's opposite from what I've said.

What have you said? I don't quite understand your post to be honest.

My reply was more of a general remark on the topic. Trump didn't beat the market so his net worth in and of itself can't be used to tell whether he's a great businessman or not.

 

 

You're settling for what Miss C wrote. But if you actually look it up, the estimates suggest how Trump barely beat the S&P by $400,000,000 dollars, IF, he invested 200 million in the early 80's.  He never even had the money then.

And Inq, you have to be careful about following knee jerk anti Trump bias. It has people trying to stress how Trump is unsuccessful lol.

 

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That was not a knee jerk reaction; I was just stating the obvious. I never said he was unsuccessful, only that his rate of return wasn't that impressive and that his net worth cannot tell you much about his business skills. Now, I also realize the circumstances were different for him and that he inherited both money and a company, and that he worked with real estate and and not in the stock market. Plus he lavishly spends.

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Inquirer stated: source post

That was not a knee jerk reaction; I was just stating the obvious.

 

 I said you have to be careful about following knee jerk reaction Trump Bias, and none of what you think is Obvious or true, and there is no reliable source to support the claims you're riding.

 

 

I never said he was unsuccessful, only that his rate of return wasn't that impressive and that his net worth cannot tell you much about his business skills.

 

The guy has been reported to make over 350 million dollars a year, and you say that's not impressive. Inq, trust me when I say, Trump is in the 1% range.

 

Now, I also realize the circumstances were different for him and that he inherited both money and a company.....

 

- Donald was given a 1 million dollar loan by his Father to start off in Manhattan. His Father like other builders, never believed Manhattan was a gold mine so he gave his Son a peanut to go learn the hard way.

- For the 3rd time... Donald was already a billionaire when his Father passed away in 1999 ( 17 years ago ). His Father's total net worth was 300 million. He was smaller than his Son when he died, so he couldn't have possibly turned Donald into a billionaire.

- Donald Trump could have moved away from his Family and started his own conglomerate organization. But he kept it in the family, which is a noble thing to do.   

......and that he worked with real estate and and not in the stock market. Plus he lavishly spends.

No. He totally invests in the stock market too.


 

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 I said you have to be careful about following knee jerk reaction Trump Bias, and none of what you think is Obvious or true, and there is no reliable source to support the claims you're riding.

It's funny how you're so blinded by your assumption that I'd be following a knee jerk reaction that you're doing the same thing yourself.

If we assume Trump had $40 million (his share of the company's net worth of $200 million) to invest in an S&P 500 index in 1974 he would've had about $4 billion today, which is around what some estimate his net worth to be. If this is true then he didn't beat the market and thus can't be used to claim he's a brilliant businessman.

However, which I made sure to mention, Trump didn't get $40 million as a lump sum in 1974 so it isn't really a fair comparison. He ran the company and didn't have direct access to that money. Loans, financial support, inheritance, his own spending, the real estate market vs the stock market etc. are all factors that'd need to be weighed in to conclusively judge his work, and whether that was impressive or not.

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I think it's funny how Spatial has bashed on the elite 1% in the past, then uses it as a reason for admiration and worthiness of being in power.

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Sure, the wealth is a hard factor to contest, as objectively his net worth is there (even if his claim according to Forbes is a little over twice of what it actually is). We get that he has money, we get that he's a business man... 

...but what do we really know about what he's going to do other than building a wall? He's just a narcissistic critic that's found a way to use people's distaste for how things are going. When cornered, he yells the word "CHANGE" (alongside his turrets of the word "CHINA" and the occasional flurry of surprisingly dismissive "I don't know I don't know"s) and suddenly everything is all better, but will that fly as high once he's actually sitting in the Presidential chair? He says he's the change we need, but he isn't really saying how beyond some racism (and other -isms) and his possession of an unusual occupational label to carry into the election. For those more politically informed, I'm left questioning how much of what they say is them filling in the blanks for​ him, as otherwise he's not much more than a bunch of hate speech (other than his support of Putin, apparently) in the form of easy-to-consume Ad Hominems with little construction planned behind it. I mean shit, he even insults the military in front of a military audience while offering nothing other than effectively saying that "FUTURE generals will be great" prooflessly, and who in their right mind wants to elect someone who calls themselves unpredictable? We ought to be able to predict whoever's sitting at the leader's chair, not pride how much we can't beyond feeding his own ego.

Ask yourself, how is a narc in his own mind ever something we don't need? If we didn't need change, he'd be the [insert quality here] that we "need", and even if he ruined the US he'd find excuses for how it was going that way on it's own anyway (whether that's true or not isn't relevant if he'd do it either way), and until that point he will proclaim that failure is impossible like some sort of oblivious man-child. He believes he can do no wrong, which to me is scarier than a person who simply has to present themselves as if they couldn't. He will slap his name onto everything (as he literally already has) before accepting all successes as his own from his signature's presence and denying the faults as if it were someone else misrepresenting his name... to a worse degree than we've grown to expect from both him and former politicians. So much of what has people on board with him is his energy, his presentation, as opposed to anything related to actual politics. This guy is literally winning people over for the same classic reasons that narcs win anyone over: People believe their crazy when it's said that confidently, and if it's not believed it's still appreciated more than someone boring saying the right things. 

By and large, people don't pay attention to the politics, they just want someone they like looking at. They want someone they could share a beer with, they want someone who makes for easy writing, and he's promising a lot of potential clowning alongside the potential for destruction. His two platforms are change for the sake of it through empty promises and providing people with entertainment. The people who want him in office, largely, are mostly the sort who pay attention to presentation instead of data, how they treat their family as opposed to how they treat the rest of the world (like the Clinton Scandal). He's a brand name, literally, versus a supposed "dynasty" that's being insulted from how much change it supposedly isn't from it merely having existed beforehand. 

To a typical Trump supporter, they are just looking at two buttons with little to no elaboration needed: "Change" and "Same". He is the perfect example as to why the US is a joke, and having him in office will further exemplify that for both good and ill fueled purely by hot air and bravado behind a curtain made of cash. I often expect that he's going to win, and for that I'm thankful that he at least won't boring. With all the secrecy, it'll be interesting to watch how people respond to his blunder-to-be's.

He's an Anarchistic Comedian's wet dream, and it's both sad and baffling how he can be much more than that this far along. I don't really care about politics, but watching him succeed when he's this blatant says a lot about the American People in a pessimistic light. I didn't have much hope for them to begin with, but it's not fun to have a pessimistic perspective attacked by something worse than the pessimists not-so-wild imaginings. Even Bush II making it into office was far less shocking, as the guy was at least composed and organized, had a team of people helping him look less like the Chimp he'd been made to appear as, and he had 9/11 to push his popularity as opposed to pure uncut sensationalism

Who is elected should be for what they can do, not for what the other person supposedly can't. To do otherwise allows someone to elect a complete mystery, and this mystery isn't likely to be liked by very many other countries. He's not really that much change when you dig into the likelihoods, and despite those who claim he can't be bought... Trump Steaks shows that he clearly can be bought (in that case by Sharper Image), even by blatantly dumb ideas, as long as he gets to have his name splattered all over it. It's all about him, what he can do for himself, more than the US itself, just as it has been for him throughout his business past. 

And now, something more positive for the TLDR's: 

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mhmm....

Ask yourself, how is a narc in his own mind ever something we don't need? If we didn't need change, he'd be the [insert quality here] that we "need", and even if he ruined the US he'd find excuses for how it was going that way on it's own anyway (whether that's true or not isn't relevant if he'd do it either way), and until that point he will proclaim that failure is impossible like some sort of oblivious man-child.

 

He believes he can do no wrong, which to me is scarier than a person who simply has to present themselves as if they couldn't.

 

 He will slap his name onto everything (as he literally already has) before accepting all successes as his own from his signature's presence and denying the faults as if it were someone else misrepresenting his name... to a worse degree than we've grown to expect from both him and former politicians. So much of what has people on board with him is his energy, his presentation, as opposed to anything related to actual politics. This guy is literally winning people over for the same classic reasons that narcs win anyone over: People believe their crazy when it's said that confidently, and if it's not believed it's still appreciated more than someone boring saying the right things. 

Are you kidding TC...? Trump totally admits his screw ups....lol...he doesn't care. They are irrelevant in the present...and that is the point.... 

The problem of 'actual politics" , is that is the precise bullshit which created the current mess...lol...and you laud that? How very bizarre.

 

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Edvard stated: source post

I think it's funny how Spatial has bashed on the elite 1% in the past, then uses it as a reason for admiration and worthiness of being in power.

Two sides of the same coin....makes sense to recognize them both simultaneously....to do otherwise would be delusional at best.

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Inquirer stated: source post

 

Spatial Mind stated: source post

 I said you have to be careful about following knee jerk reaction Trump Bias, and none of what you think is Obvious or true, and there is no reliable source to support the claims you're riding.

It's funny how you're so blinded by your assumption that I'd be following a knee jerk reaction that you're doing the same thing yourself.

 

I'm not assuming. You straight up said it yourself how it would have been better if he invested in the stock market instead of doing what he does. I'm saying if he did that, he'd have no money until he pulls, and he wouldn't have lived the life he has now. Instead he did it his way, and he's reported to have made 400 million more. Worth it.

 

If we assume Trump had $40 million (his share of the company's net worth of $200 million) to invest in an S&P 500 index in 1974 he would've had about $4 billion today, which is around what some estimate his net worth to be. If this is true then he didn't beat the market and thus can't be used to claim he's a brilliant businessman.

 

Aside from Trump's own claim. Forbes measure his assets to be at a 4.5 billion dollar net worth. Forbes cannot tell you how much money he has.

Also that $40 million from the company, would belong to his Father. He never got any shares in his Father's money, until it was time to inherit it in 1999. It's how the Trump Organization continues to run, as everything is 100% owned by Donald. His 5 children will get theirs when time comes.

 

However, which I made sure to mention, Trump didn't get $40 million as a lump sum in 1974 so it isn't really a fair comparison. He ran the company and didn't have direct access to that money. Loans, financial support, inheritance, his own spending, the real estate market vs the stock market etc. are all factors that'd need to be weighed in to conclusively judge his work, and whether that was impressive or not.

 

Yes he didn't. And when he was in debt it would have drove his Father into the ground 20 times over at the time and even now that 1.9 billion dollar debt would have cleaned out his Father's money another 5 times.

Donald started off with little. By any standard it would be a lot of money, but for what he grew into. It's a remarkable amount.

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Edvard stated: source post

I think it's funny how Spatial has bashed on the elite 1% in the past, then uses it as a reason for admiration and worthiness of being in power.

 

I frowned at the establishment and all their bullshit. I don't recall generalizing people for being filthy rich. 

I deem Trump worthy due to the fact he wants to bring money into the US. Even 4 years and further back, I've written about US debt and how corporation is driving US citizens future into the ground for their own gain.

The whole thing with corporations and big banks paying millions to presidential candidates, I wrote about awhile back, specifically Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, so none of this should strike you as anything new when you see Trump and even the old media talking about it now.

Trump is the eye opener. His accusations of the banks paying for even his fellow republicans is correct, and widely noted,   His fortune is making it happen while he has to fly, and rent out stadiums....... every.... single..... day. Normal people cannot afford that. The US is 19 trillion in debt. Like most presidents before, Obama made it worse, and so would Clinton.

If the center of world trade collapses, and it is critical, the world economy will start to fall apart, and wouldn't be good news for anyone.

 

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