Turncoat stated: source post
It can as long as it's self-imposed as opposed to expected, and ideally as long as it's not doing any harm to themselves, is actually who they are instead of who they were made to be. A man should be allowed to be a man just as much as anyone else can be themselves.
This is reasonable. I just feel that, perhaps not in this thread but in other things you've said, you have a problem with traditional gender roles to the extent that it's fine and natural in your world for a woman to be masculine or a man to be feminine, but when you're confronted by a girly girl or a manly man you're at pains to inform them (no doubt with your wealth of life experience and expertise) that they can't naturally be that way, and their identity is in fact a result of social conditioning or even mental illness.
Like, "I'm so achingly PC and open-minded up until you question my worldview, at which point i become a rabid deranged social justice nazi". Apologies if this sounds harsh, but I have just spent almost an entire week with lefty luvvie media types, and am on the verge of grabbing one of you identikit speshul snowflakes by the scruff of your sustainably-sourced, ethically-produced cotton shirt and beating you with something very hard and sharp until you pass out whilst reading you editorials from the Daily Telegraph. Which actually you'd probably love, so let's meet up.
Being yourself's thankfully spreading more and more with each coming generation. I for one welcome this sort of progression, as long as it's not people professing how they're actually animals born in human form or psy-vampires. As freedom to be as you are instead of how society expects you to be spreads, we'll likely see more gray area surface from the lack of expectations molding people into uniform traits.
Although I agree a lot of this stuff is delusional, I welcome being open about it as well if only because it removes these people from the regular dating/marriage pool. You do sometimes hear these horror stories about a lovely couple married for 25 years only for the woman to come home one day to discover that her husband liked wearing her clothes and letting the dog suck him off or whatever. If people can be open about their weirdness then they'll prob be happier for it and neither I nor anyone I know will inadvertently marry them, then as long as they're not harming anyone I guess it's not an issue.
As for the delusion thing, you know, life is tough. If dressing up as a fox of an evening is what motivates you to get out of bed every morning and carry on with life then fair play to you.
Turncoat stated: source post
The expectations that are in place may be there from genetic predispositions, but as other behaviors become gradually less outcasted we'll likely see different measures of things like testosterone play out. As more feminine men and masculine women find themselves more capable of breeding, who knows what might become the new norm.
This makes me kinda sad for some reason. Kinda like imagining a future where we're all part computer. No offence to girly men or manly women, but not a lot of great novels, poems and love songs have been written about the two of them sitting down over a fairtrade macchiato to agree on the terms of a mutually beneficial consensual relationship where all roles will be divided equally. Such a future would lose a lot of the passion, humour and desire that makes us human.
Freyja stated: source post
when you're confronted by a girly girl or a manly man you're at pains to inform them (no doubt with your wealth of life experience and expertise) that they can't naturally be that way, and their identity is in fact a result of social conditioning or even mental illness.
A fair assumption to make based on the presentation, but if they look comfortable with how they are that's different than if they're not. There's plenty who fit into the more typical molds who aren't worth addressing, but if either they appear uncomfortable within the expectations or they object to that which is unlike themselves I don't mind presenting my preferences to show that there's more than one way (or if they just feel like talking about it). I don't recall saying they're mentally unwell beyond maybe some increases in stress.
I also argue in favor of the 50/50, the going dutch setup. I'd say that's probably the healthiest model even if it's not my natural inclination.
Apologies if this sounds harsh, but I have just spent almost an entire week with lefty luvvie media types, and am on the verge of grabbing one of you identikit speshul snowflakes by the scruff of your sustainably-sourced, ethically-produced cotton shirt and beating you with something very hard and sharp until you pass out whilst reading you editorials from the Daily Telegraph.
I know how that can be. For me, no one's really "special", but they might as well be comfortable (or entertaining if not).
Which actually you'd probably love, so let's meet up.
Being yourself's thankfully spreading more and more with each coming generation. I for one welcome this sort of progression, as long as it's not people professing how they're actually animals born in human form or psy-vampires. As freedom to be as you are instead of how society expects you to be spreads, we'll likely see more gray area surface from the lack of expectations molding people into uniform traits.
Although I agree a lot of this stuff is delusional, I welcome being open about it as well if only because it removes these people from the regular dating/marriage pool.
This too actually. Being open about how you are lets those who are into that sort of thing more easily find who they're after. Better to know at the start than discover later that something about them is a deal-breaker that they won't drop, much like Ed Wood's interest in cross-dressing.
You do sometimes hear these horror stories about a lovely couple married for 25 years only for the woman to come home one day to discover that her husband liked wearing her clothes
Hah, you referenced the Ed Wood scenario as well. His movie Glen or Glenda is wonderful self-justification in the form of a poorly crafted film.
As for the delusion thing, you know, life is tough. If dressing up as a fox of an evening is what motivates you to get out of bed every morning and carry on with life then fair play to you.
For me, it depends on what's motivating it. When it's comfortable, it causes a different set of responses than if it's something that's done otherwise.
Turncoat stated: source post
The expectations that are in place may be there from genetic predispositions, but as other behaviors become gradually less outcasted we'll likely see different measures of things like testosterone play out. As more feminine men and masculine women find themselves more capable of breeding, who knows what might become the new norm.This makes me kinda sad for some reason. Kinda like imagining a future where we're all part computer. No offence to girly men or manly women, but not a lot of great novels, poems and love songs have been written about the two of them sitting down over a fairtrade macchiato to agree on the terms of a mutually beneficial consensual relationship where all roles will be divided equally. Such a future would lose a lot of the passion, humour and desire that makes us human.
What's to say we won't have love stories about more types of people?
As an aside, even without the gender blending we've already hit a point of "Netflix and Chill" becoming closer and closer to the norm.