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ThenFuckit stated: source post

"In a true democracy, people re-vote till the vote we want wins."
~Edvard

No. This is the will of the people. Those that do not vote have no will. Those that are older should have more experience and know better.

So in your opinion it's irrelevant whether the people know the consequences and the meaning of what they vote? Kinda dumb to me. I merely said, a second referendum makes sense after the current situation is explored and understood better. Not now, not even in 1 year. Brits just took a gamble, no one (brexiteers included) knows what and how it's going to happen, and if the gamble proves to be wrong, if they are not willing to compromise what they'll learn they have to compromise, I believe they should be given a chance to straighten that shit up. It's a big thing affecting many lives, I mean even when you buy a fucking shirt you have the option to return it under some circumstances.

Those who do not vote can very well have a will. Spare me the bullshit slogans.

The Remain campaign has been doing aggressive fear mongering before the vote, the EU withheld information intentionally to try and sway the votes, and the remain voters has honestly been acting like cry babies since they lost, mainly those young people.

The entire leave/stay campaign was centered around negative sentiments and fear, yeah. It was just bad politics. It amazes me to hear about "fear" from the remain camp, when the brexiters were threatening with the loss of control over the entire fucking country: socially, politically, economically. They won because their fear campaign prevailed, that's all. It was fear of "migrants" taking over, fear of some conspiracy-theory european dictatorship (in which come the fuck on, the UK has always been at the top instead of the bottom and was always spoiled in its membership deals), lies about the money being sent to the EU (each Brit has to pay about 8.5 pounds/month to be an EU citizen, less than a fucking phone bill. A cup of coffee in London is about 2.5 pounds, to give you an idea).

They also call leaving the EU racist.

No they don't. They call harboring negative sentiments towards other people just for being immigrants, racist.

Are we in kindergarten? Lose and cry like a little baby?

This isn't a game of apple bobbing that they lost XD I get why some want to do smth about it, and it's their right and will to protest, which you should respect based on the same values you claim to respect.

The reason the Brexit won was because of immigrants from Eastern Europe, mainly.

So why do I hear people still bringing the fucking islamic refugees into the mix of Brexit reasons? Even Wooster and Primal keep going on about it. The UK controlled the intake of those refugees quite well.

The reason the Brexit is good to of win, is because the EU is trying to install a one government over all of Europe and is doing this on the basis of an undemocratic method. Because you have no power over the legislation the EU decides on, you can vote and suggest, but it can be overruled. And if their laws fail, no one is responsible. Once the EU gets an army, i do not have a feeling this will get any better.

Those are nothing but your fears. Recognize them for what they are before you call the EU supporters scared.

Side note: How interesting, since the Brexit happened the EU is pressuring my country to join the Eurozone immediately. Because after that, they have a much better control over the country.

Pressuring being the key word. At the end of the day, they can't force much from anyone. If they could, they would have done smth about the UK. They would have forced more migrants into unwilling countries. And a lot of other things.

The immigration crisis is the most obvious example of how much of a fail this system is. I want to see Merkel resign. She allowed random savages into Europe, because of her German guilt. She forced it on some countries, like Romania. She is not the president of Romania, jfyi(she uses her EU influence).

The fuck are you talking about? Romania took in very few migrants, the migration problem there is non-existent.

Then she tried to cover up her failure, the German police have orders not to disclose the ethnicity of attackers in many rape cases, facebook comments in Germany are censored by the government(so democratic).

And I agree with this, there are demons that should not get out of the bottle. You call it guilt about the past, I call it learning from the past. If you take a look at what the combination of economic depression and nationalism has done in the past, you'd understand why it's dumb to let it happen again.

The truth and best example for my point is that you don't give a shit about rape and violence committed by the migrants. As you said, you laugh at people's misfortune and get hard at gore. You just want an excuse to lump people together and hate, and people like you are just as dangerous to society. If rapists and criminals could be stopped by censoring and deleting them on facebook, that would happen as well. Sadly, it's a solution only against your kind.

How could this of been avoided? By having at least some filtration system and not just give a free life to the refugees. There are many economic migrants that moved to the west, not from Syria, but from many Arabic countries. They are the main people who cause problems and act criminally. They also feel entitled and when the police covers it up and Merkel gives them free shit, it justifies their entitlement and they get more brutal.

There is a filtering process. They are just too many to handle all at once and it takes time. There was hesitation about denying genuine refugees their rights (spelled out in black and white in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights ) to prevent other immigrants from taking advantage. "In criminal law, Blackstone's formulation is the principle that: "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"". So yeah it's a situation a little more complex that the manga shows you're used to.

I never voted for even one immigrant to come here. I never saw how they will allow him in, is there some sort of integration cycle.

Not every decision can be fucking direct democracy, Meta. You voted for being a member in the EU. You voted for your MEPs, for your government, under the assumption that they are better suited and informed to understand and make decisions. They chose to embrace the direction of western values (or at least the majority of your countrymen did). Nothing is all rosy, Meta, there need to be compromises and hardships in following principles sometimes. Those set of principles made the "western civilization" the most powerful and successful civilization in the world so far. You can't go belly up bitching about it every time you are supposed to do unpleasant things that come with the benefits you want. It is cowardly and scumbaggish if you ask me.

There are sex training in Germany and i think Sweden, where refugees are taught how to talk to western women. Why were these not thought of before millions of savages were allowed in? Why were they implemented after an extreme amount of rapes? How many rape cases are censored and hidden, since we know from history the government in Germany(where most economic migrants want to go) is actively hiding it? How can you still trust the people who keep pushing these ideas, when they have still not came clean after exposure and exposure and protests on the streets(of Germany)?

Bad incidents get more emotional attention than good ones, it's social psychology. You sneered at how that drowned kid was used to unsettle emotions, and saw the manipulation in it, and also the reaction in people. Same goes for the other camp, Meta. I'd prefer the right kind of emotions to be stirred and guided though. 

Also, I laugh again at you pretending to care about this rape and violence thing. More proof of how you and others are merely using this shit as cover rhetoric for smth else.

Where is the democracy? If there is no democracy, why are they saying there is? Another lie? What else do they lie about?

Are you going to wait until it fucks you and then act, or before? Because if they lie, they might just do some surprise butt sex.

More fear. "They will fuck us up" apocalyptic shit without any real grounds.

History has show many, many, many times that super states do not last and all of those in history were not democratic. They all fall from the inside out.

"Many many many" times? What superstates other that the USSR? I really hope you aren't talking about "non-democratic superstates" before modern democracy was even a thing (1707).

The USA is failing? I agree they don't have the best democracy though, still, it's been among the better places to live in the world. No system is perfect, and it makes more sense to work on it instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater every time hardships are encountered. History has shown a lot of abuse and failure can be done within a small country as well, even moreso than within superstates.

I watched a several hour stream of Muhammads life and how he created Islam. It was a copy of Christianity at first. Once he had a super army and spread his Islamic faith all over the Arabic world and had Mecca, he changed Islam into the brutal law it is today. Islamic faith is so much more profoundly fanatic at its core, its nothing like Christianity. To make a christian super fanatic, someone has to manipulate them. Islam: just read the quran and believe. This is why, you can't trust them.

Things like this have me convinced you've never properly interacted with a regular muslim in your life. Staying at home and watching documentaries means shit, Meta, when you can just meet the fucking muslims and see for yourself they aren't the blood thirsty savages you fear, and that ISIS is not representative of islamic beliefs. You make it sound as if you've gotten to the point of crossing the road when you see a muslim man or woman, expecting them to slit your throat screaming allahu akbar any moment.

You can accept them if you really want to be progressive, after the people of the democratic country vote on this, but you can't trust them, not until they prove themselves. And they should integrate... not the country.
Multiculturalism is a lie really. Western culture is better then the middle east. Do you want to create a mix of those, or do you want a western culture? A mix of those will be worse then a western culture. Its the middle eastern culture that has to change to a progressive western culture. No mixing, no regressing.
They have to integrate and once they do: is it a multiculture? No, its western culture. Do you understand? Their culture has no place at all in western civilization. If you want to get technical, they can keep their fancy trinkets, dances and music, no one cares about those, its their morality thats important.

Again, the Western culture was founded on principles you're now bitching about and want to renounce (tolerance, human rights, equality, freedom of religion, etc). Take one away, you don't end up with western civilization anymore. Lmao at you talking about morality. I'd rather have my muslim friends over you any day, bud.

And again, with the absurd fear that muslims can and will impose islam on you.

A nationalistic world would easily be a multi-cultural world, but only between civilized societies. Democracy is ineffective, corruptible and slow. A regulated democracy based on education would be efficient and fast, but more corruptible. A government that can swing from left to the right, depending on the severty of a crisis, where when its at left its a "regulated democracy based on education", while at right its totalitarianism would be the most effective and non-corrupt-able and fast system.

Wtf is a "regulated democracy based on education"? How do you achieve this? Sounds like more bogus stuff that sounds good but doesn't have a practical vision behind it to me. All forms of totalitarianism end up corrupt, because the more power you give to fewer people, the more deluded and abusive they get.

moonshine stated: source post

You seen jackshyte of what's happening.  Unlike those of us who are actually in the country.  So STFU.

This hasn't stopped you to blab about Scandinavia though, has it.

I have access to the media in your country.

BS.   Only the upper third (some calculate quarter) of the taxable income segment  (i.e. the high-skilled group) score as a net positive on the cost:benefit ratio,  and even that is only after 4 - 6 years of employment history.   (the data figures vary only to a small extent,  but not in the large picture).  And that’s only the direct costs (welfare, heathcare, edu) - not the indirect (public infrastructure, etc. -  just the extra space taken up by extra population.)  There's a shit-ton of research on that.

The research I found shows the full data is unknown, or the opposite.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/welfare/2016/06/how-much-do-benefits-paid-eu-migrants-cost-britain

My fuckin' sides ed.....   FFS  when even the doctrinaire mothership of the whole farce was forced to admit that multiculti is a big resounding FAILURE, then you crawl out of some fossilised cave to  type that sentence.  

Wow. Lmao, you must really hate London's Chinatown. 

Lest you still haven't figured out,  place of origin (ethnicity,  religion, culture) and skills / qualifications are interconnected.  Very closely. 

Again: there are skilled educated people coming from everywhere, especially from the EU countries. You have no issue with those. 

EU- and third-world migration are altogether different animals in terms of impact, magnitude & future repercussions - even the last halfwit in the UK knows that too well.  

You must have missed my "Somali classmates" example.
 

 Even months after that the UN itself  had to admit that at least 80% are economic ‘irregulars’.

What about the 20% who have the right to be accepted? And this, coming from an economic migrant... It amazes me this cognitive dissonance you people have, condemning in others what you yourselves would do or have done.

If they held a second referendum,  even much more people would vote for Leave.   Masses changed their mind as a result of the ‘remain’ camp’s  behaviour for the past week.   Even more by the EU’s nasty little surprises rolled out post referendum.

You're really out of the loop, aren't you?

Time will tell I guess.

So in your opinion it's irrelevant whether the people know the consequences and the meaning of what they vote?
You are deluded or plain retarded. The consequences of the mass immigration came through WITHOUT their vote, and had people been given the opportunity to vote, I highly doubt they would have gone for it. So, consequences are the rapes and bombings across Europe within the last 1,5 years and you are suggesting that this is NOT the case? Not all People are stupid, Eddie. They are not waiting to get buttsexed against their will to decide whether they are interested or not. Get my meaning. They are very much aware of what the bullshit of Islam is, through the actions of muslims. And that is DESPITE the silencing of the media and the numbers being jerked as hard as possible in favor of the EU delusional self aggrandizement. 

The entire leave/stay campaign was centered around negative sentiments and fear, yeah.
LOL  riiiiiiiiiight...that is how you want to dumb it down? Get real. 
 

This isn't a game of apple bobbing that they lost XD I get why some want to do smth about it, and it's their right and will to protest, which you should respect based on the same values you claim to respect.

They lost. Plain and simple. What they will do? Bore people to death with referendum after referendum until they win? Is that the new EU game plan?

So why do I hear people still bringing the fucking islamic refugees into the mix of Brexit reasons? Even Wooster and Primal keep going on about it. The UK controlled the intake of those refugees quite well.

Not well enough..lol..

https://youtu.be/0EYhalarYNs

More on the problem that does not exist,LOL 

. Bid to ban Muslims from replacing UK law with Sharia courts to be put before MPs TODAY  Mar 11, 2016

Those are nothing but your fears. Recognize them for what they are before you call the EU supporters scared.
What a shit spin tactic, Eddie. Use your brain for a change. The EU supporters want that bullshit, anyone with sense knows that is slitting your own throat. Which is precisely what Merckel has done to the EU, and the rest of the EU is trying to cover up the mess of it. ..lol...

Pressuring being the key word. At the end of the day, they can't force much from anyone. If they could, they would have done smth about the UK. They would have forced more migrants into unwilling countries. And a lot of other things.
Which is also precisely how the EU think tank reveal themselves to be nothing more than a plague of mental retardation than anything else. 

The fuck are you talking about? Romania took in very few migrants, the migration problem there is non-existent.
LOL  because Romania told Merckel and Clusterfuck of stupid to fuck off? 

Your second post is senseless.

All forms of totalitarianism end up corrupt, because the more power you give to fewer people, the more deluded and abusive they get.
What the bloody fuck do you think the EU cover up is?  LOL...wakey wakey...

Totalitarianism is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.[1] Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by political repression, personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror. A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society."[2]

Things like this have me convinced you've never properly interacted with a regular muslim in your life.

Your point? You need to be raped by one of the 'bad' ones first to figure out that the entire mental retardation of the religion is a problem? Don't be such a silly child in your reasoning. One on one is one thing, but en masse and in REALITY, if you ever open your fucking eyes, you have something quite different on your hands.   

Get your bloody head out of your ass. 

I grew up in the heart of the  fundamentalist shit...LOL...you have not a fucking word to say on the matter, Eddie. Not one Fucking word you moronic clown!

Edvard stated: source post

 

The reason the Brexit is good to of win, is because the EU is trying to install a one government over all of Europe and is doing this on the basis of an undemocratic method. Because you have no power over the legislation the EU decides on, you can vote and suggest, but it can be overruled. And if their laws fail, no one is responsible. Once the EU gets an army, i do not have a feeling this will get any better.

Those are nothing but your fears. Recognize them for what they are before you call the EU supporters scared.

That's incredibly impressive XD

"Jumping into the lava hot spot will kill us! We have see in it! It's written in the laws of physics!".

"Those are nothing but your fears. Recognize them for what they are before you call the lava jumpers scared."

I am not even going to bother reading anything you say on the matter anymore. I wasn't going to bother responding, but this, is truly, truly impressive lack of understanding or even just plain interest and reading.

Killing me TFI. lol...exquisite

It's quite the slog through this EU bullshit Mofo....just terribly hilarious...lol...they actually believe this bull! Amazing..truly, they are being bred stupid or trained dumb. How to differentiate?

Since the adoption of the European Agenda on Migration1 a year ago, much has been done, not least beyond the EU's borders. Hundreds of thousands of people have been rescued at sea. The Valletta Summit in November 2015 brought migration issues to the heart of the EU's relations with African countries. The EU-Turkey Statement established new ways to bring order into migration flows and save lives. Its impact was immediate. To deliver the necessary assistance the new EU financial instruments are helping create a better future at home for those who might otherwise have been ready to risk their lives on the dangerous journey to Europe. These actions illustrate the EU's willingness to address specific migratory challenges, but also the long-term drivers of migration. However, much more needs to be done. The EU is still faced with a humanitarian crisis. Third countries and EU partners are housing millions of refugees, many of them unaccompanied minors, forced to leave their homes2 , and economic migrants who aspire to come to Europe. Reports suggest that there are tens of thousands of migrants in Libya today, looking for ways to enter the EU, with the number of arrivals increasing every day. To respond in a meaningful way, the EU must use all means available and set itself clear priorities and measurable objectives. Development and neighbourhood policy tools should reinforce local capacitybuilding, including for border control, asylum, counter-smuggling and reintegration efforts. All actors – Member States, EU institutions and key third countries – need to work together in partnership to bring order into migratory flows. In parallel, work is needed to tackle the root causes of irregular migration and forced displacement by applying sustained, medium and long term policies and to better use existing processes and programmes. All of this work must take place in a context which fully respects international law and fundamental rights. This is the idea of a new Partnership Framework. This Partnership Framework should enhance support for those in need in their countries of origin and transit. It should help develop safe and sustainable reception capacities and provide lasting prospects close to home for refugees and their families in third countries affected by migratory pressure. It must create genuine prospects of resettlement to the EU to discourage irregular and dangerous journeys. An essential element underpinning this is a coherent, credible and effective policy with regard to the return of illegally staying third country nationals, which fully respects human rights and the dignity of the persons concerned as well as the principle of non-refoulement. Standing ready to provide greater support to those partner countries which make the greatest efforts, but without shying away from negative incentives, EU assistance and policies should be tailored to produce concrete results in stemming the flow of irregular migrants.

WTF??? Mother of God, the double speak is atrocious!! LOL....managed to say absolutely fucking nothing of substance! 

Laughing too hard...this is such pathetic drivel. 

1. "Things like this have me convinced you've never properly interacted with a regular muslim in your life."

Not that i’m talking on TFI’s behalf, but on behalf of my own muslim / ex-muslim friends / acquaintances.  They are the ones who loath,  fear and abhor the most this current invasion.   They fled to the ‘west’  to escape Islam and what it entails.   

• "the Universal Declaration of Human Rights"

Drawn up in 1948, when nearly half a million of Europeans were still floating about stateless post-WW2.   

The most defunct document ever known to mankind, should’ve been discarded  decades ago. 

Haven't read the rest of your drivel yet.   

Not sure if you're genuinely that demented or being paid for it. 

Edvard stated: source post  

I have access to the media in your country.

Undoubtedly, you sure can access  all the approved channels (like the Graun and the (fully bankrupt) Indy).  

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/29/daily-mail-articles-blocked-in-sweden-over-migrant-stabbing-court-case/  ( < he turned out to be 22+, but 'age-testing' is apparently too waycisst for swedish sensitivities)

Edvard stated: source post 

research I found

The Groan indeed, TNS in goosestep.  There’s a lot of crying, wailing and gnashing of the teeth in those quarters these days: 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/brexit-referendum-voters-survey   < that's ten days after they spat their dummies out of the pram in a fit of toddler tantrum. 

I flick thru the Guardian every day before breakfast.  When even  their own loyal readership is rejecting the BS that should give you a pause, ed.  

Try some  independent agenda-free strictly financial institutes next time. 

 

Edvard stated: source post 

Wow. Lmao, you must really hate London's Chinatown. 

“Chinatowns” are  a  legacy of the Victorian era,   fully integrated and much cherished part of Western heritage. 

‘Multikulti’ is a cultural marxist  political programme ushered in by Blair’s NewLabLibDem regime in the late ‘90s  in the UK (and by other names in other states).

Your point? 

(The last “boat people” hitting these shores from Asia Maior were the Vietkong, quite a while ago.  Great asset for their intelligence, ethics and general disposition.) 

Brits are pretty much the most inclusive, tolerant and polite society you’ll ever find on the planet.

 

 

Edvard stated: source post 

 

an economic migrant...

??

Who planted it in your pointy little head that i’m an ‘economic migrant’?  I am not.  Yet you keep parroting it.

Do you actually think that every person relocating from region X to region Y is an ‘economic migrant’ by virtue?

ROFL

Just when one thinks you hit rock bottom of stupidity ed, you  prove me wrong yet again.

• "What about the 20%"

File your righteous indignation  with the opportunist 80%.  Or, rather, with the wholesale compasshun industry.  They are much more at blame IMO than even the opportunist 80%.

ThenFuckit stated: source post

The reason the Brexit is good to of win, is because the EU is trying to install a one government over all of Europe and is doing this on the basis of an undemocratic method. Because you have no power over the legislation the EU decides on, you can vote and suggest, but it can be overruled. And if their laws fail, no one is responsible. Once the EU gets an army, i do not have a feeling this will get any better.

One thing i'm genuinely curious about... would a united states of Europe be the worst thing in the world? In a globalised world with large, powerful countries like Russia, China and the US being dominant on the world stage, surely it would be better for Europe to stick together as one block? 

I do get what you mean abt the lack of democracy, but maybe more democracy would come with closer integration. It is perhaps not worth electing the council and president directly now, but when they get real powers in the future it would be difficult to deny that they should be elected. 

From my pov, Brussels and London are equally foreign and remote, and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to me if it was Brussels instead of London calling the shots. I don't see why the thought of an EU army should be scary, unless you are a supporter of IS or Putin XD Having a more coordinated approach to these threats can surely only be good. If i were a man I would fight for an EU army. 

The country i live in is so undemocratic it makes the EU look like a bastion of democracy. The first-past-the-post electoral system means that most people's votes count for nothing; we have no say on who is our head of state; the representative i would elect can't take his seat anyway unless he swears an oath of allegiance to the queen; we have a prime minister who in reality has the executive powers of a president, but the people have no say on which MP that will be or who his cabinet is; the upper house (which has the power to pass/fail or amend legislation) is completely unelected... The EU may be undemocratic, but so are a lot of places. 

Side note: How interesting, since the Brexit happened the EU is pressuring my country to join the Eurozone immediately. Because after that, they have a much better control over the country.

Is this really coming from the EU, or from your own president? And how much is driven by economic factors rather than political?

This is not relevant to multiculturalism.

The immigration crisis is the most obvious example of how much of a fail this system is. I want to see Merkel resign. She allowed random savages into Europe, because of her German guilt. She forced it on some countries, like Romania. She is not the president of Romania, jfyi(she uses her EU influence).
Then she tried to cover up her failure, the German police have orders not to disclose the ethnicity of attackers in many rape cases, facebook comments in Germany are censored by the government(so democratic).

How could this of been avoided? By having at least some filtration system and not just give a free life to the refugees. There are many economic migrants that moved to the west, not from Syria, but from many Arabic countries. They are the main people who cause problems and act criminally. They also feel entitled and when the police covers it up and Merkel gives them free shit, it justifies their entitlement and they get more brutal.
I never voted for even one immigrant to come here. I never saw how they will allow him in, is there some sort of integration cycle.
There are sex training in Germany and i think Sweden, where refugees are taught how to talk to western women. Why were these not thought of before millions of savages were allowed in? Why were they implemented after an extreme amount of rapes? How many rape cases are censored and hidden, since we know from history the government in Germany(where most economic migrants want to go) is actively hiding it? How can you still trust the people who keep pushing these ideas, when they have still not came clean after exposure and exposure and protests on the streets(of Germany)?

I have mixed feelings on the argument of immigration. Idk what it is like in the whole of Europe, but here it seems that most of the immigrants are Pakis and Bengs that have come from the Commonwealth... That is nothing to do with the EU, it is Britain's fault for having an empire XD

As I said on the other thread, I've recently moved away from an area where I and the friend i lived with were the only white people within about a half mile radius, and all I can say is that we have never had any trouble. I do find the Asian ppl (at least the older generation) keep to themselves. However, I've walked around late at night, worn short skirts etc and never been raped or attacked or even had a bad comment in my direction. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but you can understand why I'm skeptical about all this talk of raping and attacking when it has been the opposite of my experience. Also, the 'muslims' of my generation tend to be westernised to the point that they are muslim in name only... they go out to clubs, drink, dress how they want etc. If they have grown up here, been brought up in the education system here, watching tv and listening to music etc, they do become westernised, for sure.

I've read articles about how Germany has a big problem with the ageing population and declining birth rate. Perhaps the migration is a way of solving that?Usually when political leaders take decisions like that there are reasons of economics behind it. I doubt it's some shady plot to fuck up Europe and ruin people's lives just for the craic XD

Also, I think a bit of genetic diversity is not the worst thing in the world... Visit certain parts of Belfast on the 12th of this month and you will see what I mean...

However, while the situation of being the only white person on the street is a novel experience when it's not my city, I wouldn't like it one bit if it was my city, so I can understand why people feel angry about it. The population density here is intense - i've had friends from central Europe and Australia be amazed by how crowded it is, literally all the time. And it does put pressure on services for sure. I would welcome less people in the country, but I'm just not sure how leaving the EU directly relates to that. 

Where is the democracy? If there is no democracy, why are they saying there is? Another lie? What else do they lie about?

Are you going to wait until it fucks you and then act, or before? Because if they lie, they might just do some surprise butt sex.

This is why, in a democracy, people are responsible for their actions.

Why do you think that the EU deliberately wants what is bad for its people? Is it some kinda conspiracy to oppress people? What would that achieve, and why? Surely the leaders want the country to be successful as much as the people do.