Primal I see both here and in the "Orlando gunman" thread you only circle-jerk with the people you agree with. Guess serious conversation with people having opposing views makes you uncomfortable and at a loss of words. You're just after giving and seeking pats on the back.
We don’t want to impose our solutions by force, we want to create a democratic space. We don’t see armed struggle in the classic sense of previous guerrilla wars, that is as the only way and the only all-powerful truth around which everything is organized. In a war, the decisive thing is not the military confrontation but the politics at stake in the confrontation. We didn't go to war to kill or be killed. We went to war in order to be heard.
— Subcomandante Marcos
The Earth is large and geographic isolation for millennia made it that not all societies are at the same stage of evolution, understanding, respect of life, hence the sharia thing.
lol..'Sharia 'Thing"' ...LMAO..you better learn what it IS and recognize that it is already legally IN Europe, and set up to expand. Instead of thinking that is not what is coming down the rails ... you may actually want to pay closer attention to Reality. Your little bubble is cute, but really stupid.
Instead of isolating and persecuting those with more backwards views, helping them develop and prosper by introducing them to new models and ways of life in a peaceful manner, is the best and most efficient way to cope with this clash and mess. Building walls only perpetrates the friction and deepens the differences, it's not a real solution.
You just shot your own foot here ( like usual). Do you not see how you did that? "Discussion" is pointless where you are concerned. You do not discuss the FACTS as they are currently( or even recent past) unfolding. You choose to ignore them, while babbling more senseless PC Kumbayaisms and your extra special opinions like they have any merit. Your PC love in is NOT going to pacify or mollify Islam. Ever. It will be an utter fail to try it with me as well...lol...I am not one of your little boohoo kiddies who is without a clue of what the Reality of Islam is about. Don't forget that. Unlike yourself , I grew up in a fundamentalist Islamic country as a foreigner. Your bullshit doesn't fly with me. You and many others are spreading the "cloak of guilt and shame' of past Christian actions ( you dig really hard on that one..lol ) as well as the political plays that were/are run in the oil rich countries. However, you forget, that those countries' companies were invited in for oil exploration. Then, in some cases, they were kicked out and then BOCO, AGIPCo and others filled in.
The Creme puff crew here that has been drinking the PC Kool Aid is going to discover that Islam is as mentally disordered as it gets. Then you will scream bloody murder when your Huggies and Wuvies don't work on Islam, similar to dealing with PDs. Ya see Eddie, Muslims do NOT want to change. They want the WORLD TO CHANGE FOR THEM. And if you have been paying any attention whatsoever, which clearly you have not, as you have proven over and over again, protected in your little delusional bubble world....many Europeans and Australians and Americans have NO Interest in supporting Islamization of their countries. Imagine that? It's called CHOICE. What many people did not recognize as it was happening, is that it is now ILLEGAL to speak up about the complete BS. Whether it was deliberate or not, is beside the point. The fact of the matter is, it is in existence and that is a problem. Facebook censors posts. I know this for a fact..lol... Merckel was begging Zuckerberg to censor Germany's FB postings. People are PISSED OFF.
Angela Merkel caught on hot mic griping to Facebook CEO over anti-immigrant posts
Germany Prods Zuckerberg to Police `Illegal' Facebook Posts
Fuck you and the white horse you rode in on Eddie...lol...'Illegal Opinions'....
Merkel’s government has stepped up efforts to counter racist comments after a surge in the number of refugees arriving in Germany last year spurred hate postings on social-media sites. Justice Minister Heiko Maas met Facebook executives in September and said afterward that he wants to see “criminal comments disappear from the net.â€
Merkel confronted Zuckerberg in September on the sidelines of a United Nations development summit in New York on how his company is progressing in efforts to curtail racist posts, after her government complained the social network wasn’t doing enough to crack down on xenophobic outbursts.
The insanity...lol...layers of it Eddie...Don't you just feel so proud of yourself? You, the brainwashed mouthpiece of the 'establishment' promoting screwing yourself up the ass. That is hilarious. And when you are screwed up the ass, you will be the one that is charged as guilty for engaging in gay sex.
Islam is different becasue of its dogma and why it was created.
It is, a weapon of war, by design.
Its main and only purpose was to recruit an army, which follow the prophet to war. Because that was perfect for the nomadic days, where nomads raid towns and stuff.
To become a Muslim, all you have to do, is say you convert.
Then, if someone is not a Muslim, they are infidels and, at best, are looked down at, at worst: CONVERT OR DIE.
If you die in the name of Allah, you get all sorts of good stuff and your sins are irrelevant.
Alcohol and smoking is not good for an army.
But sex is a great reward and women are not soldiers. So make women second level citizens and give men the right to rape women they capture. Now raping women in the army is different. I really dont want to go to details however.
And the most important part, if you are a Muslim and you want to leave, you have to die(by beheading to be specific).
If someone deviates from the path, there is no repent, there is only death. So you better make sure you stay in line motherfucker.
Now lets look at Judaism.
To became a part of that religion, you have to spend months to study some shit i don't even know or want to know about.(well i am not sure about nowadays)
Then to leave, you just say you leave.
I do not really know what those people do thought lol.
As for Christianity.
Christianity was never made as a weapon of war. It was a moral code book and i honestly think it was very good for the time it was made at. A time when people were uncivilized and quite savage. Having a religion that would at least motivate you to care about being more moral was great. Of course there are some gaps and problems, but it was overall better, for that time.
And while it is relatively easy to join Christianity, its also simple to leave it.
But to stay true to Christianity, you really limit your self from having fun. You have to devote your life to God, be humble, no sex, only for creating children, no masturbation, no drinking and other shit i dont remember/know. And if you do not want to, well you can just leave.
If you do wrong, you can pray in the church, you wont DIE. Might burn in hell thought lol.
Its easy to spread(and its forced) Islam and its hard to leave it. Its like a plague, quite quite.
Later it was used as a power tool in civilized society and at this point it was no longer the religion it was made(when the church had more power then the "state"). While Islam still is exactly the same. Those people were the people who waged wars and tortured. They killed people in the name of their agenda, not of religion. They used the religion as an excuse. Islam is followed by religions fanatics, they are not lead by manipulators, they are lead by the teachings of Islam.
The fundamental difference is, that when christianity was used as a tool of war, it made sense(for the most part) from the point of view of those in power. Islam makes no sense at all, the fanatics win nothing, they are morons. They do not fight over power or resources. They want Islamic law on the entire planet. Because Allah.
There was a time people waged wars, just plain tortured and killed(no trials lol wtf) and enslaved people under the flag of Islam, based on Islamic teachings. I am not so sure that Islam didnt kill more people then Christianity lol. They were slaughtering themselves in the middle east over this religion since the dawn of time. Because it is a religion of war by design.
Christianity was never like Islam. Christianity tried to create a morality, that was its goal. While it does fail, due it being super fucking old, that was the reason for its existence. Muhammad literary sat down and thought about how to make people fight for him without them betraying him. Thats how Islam was born.
Building walls is actually not legislation and its important. Every home has walls, every garden has walls, every building has walls. Its a border and borders are good. There is nothing inherently evil in borders or border control. That doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense that you bring this up either, but whatever(as its irrelevant to the subject, like completely). If the country is policed well, then they wont fucking kill you at the border and they will let you in. If its not policed well, why the fuck are you going there, or expect it to be shit. What makes no sense is to imagine that the entire world is fine and dandy. You don't have remove all the zoo cages to feed the lions... you can open the gate and have an exchange. Its common sense not to be a retard.
"Bonus q:
What do you think of those rich kids whose only merit is being born in a rich family, believe they are entitled to everything mommy and daddy gave them and despise, bully and look down onto the more unfortunate poorer kids?"
i dont give a fuck
~~ poetry~~ ^^^^
Nothing new....just something more for Eddie to deny..lol...
Maybe Jesus can open Eddie's eyes?
Also another interesting gem that seems to be rampant in the UK.
Daammmmmmmmmn....Eddie, you must be blind, that sure fekking looks like HORDES to me...lol...holy shit! ..lol...
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Primal I see both here and in the "Orlando gunman" thread you only circle-jerk with the people you agree with. Guess serious conversation with people having opposing views makes you uncomfortable and at a loss of words. You're just after giving and seeking pats on the back.
It's you, Edvard. Talking to you is like trying to teach a severely handicapped 6-year-old how to use a chamberpot, let alone how to read. Frankly, nobody has the time / patience for that.
Just had a somewhat lengthy discussion with a pro-muslim ex-Western atheist (married to a muslima / into extended muslim family someplace in South-East Asia) - points / counterpoints given and taken, we both walked away from the exchange "enriched" (civil, respectful & a bit more insight gained) . < That's caledl a 'level playing ground'. Something you'll never have a footing on, edvard. Whether it's deliberate or genuine ignorance, you're the dumbest shit ever to grace this community.
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Damn hypocrites are the worst. I say if he is willing to kill himself because he saw two men kiss and got a boner his life is so worthless anyways.
Is becoming the new record holder really "worthless"? He made the news, got his face plastered for all to see, and accomplished a death toll higher than those before him for that style of shooting. Until he is eventually dethroned by someone with an even higher death toll, he technically accomplished something others before him could not. Regardless of his reasons for doing so, it was the fuel, the drive, to have him become groundbreaking. By gaming terms he's holds the high score on the leader board.
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As for Christianity.
Christianity was never made as a weapon of war.
It was however made as a tool of moral driven slavery. With such a structure, it could be used for whatever is convenient for the one wielding the book, and through it's single deity that demanded obedience it became easier to command the masses, unlike other faiths with multiple gods where there's more room to ask questions, live your own perspective within it. It's not about good or evil so much as it is about law, control. The testament shift also changed some things around, modernized it when it otherwise no longer made as much sense to follow. People aren't quite as simple now, they tend to be more skeptical, so said modernization was needed to keep itself relevant, and as a side effect it became about self-maintenance, used now more in the name of politics instead of outright warfare.
There's many places where not being a Christian is enough to have you ostracized. It's less harmful now to not fit in, but that's something that grows increasingly dangerous the further back in time you go. That's better than lets say... beheading, but by how much? It's still a danger, it's still an incentive that makes for pull, but it's subtler in it's presentation from the pretense it's made itself to be about.
Judaism (the Old Testament) was a way to cope with the condition of being slaves of Egyptians. The Bible was revised under the disciples of Roman emperor Constantine, and it's unlikely anyone will be able to decipher original texts from revisions. How would anyone know what was altered?
That said, I agree with you that religion is a control for the masses. As for our current Bible, and how you mentioned it was about control? Typical Roman tactic.
Where we are now, Nietzsche predicted over 100 years ago when he said, "God is dead." What he meant was that people were moving beyond religion, and perhaps into nihilism. Consumerism is "über alles" currently, but to pigeonhole that as an absolute would be a mistake.
What you are calling a danger is in fact a human need to reconcile mortality. How many Christians do you know are actually "devout"?
Nietzsche was a case of depression by the read of him. Nihilism would be a reasonable extension of depression. Consumerism? Nah. For those that buy into that, sure. But others? No meaning. I think that is more a narcissistic thing than anything else.
What you are calling a danger is in fact a human need to reconcile mortality.
I think religion is more about FEAR of the afterlife, if any. It's a terror of the terminal unknown or nothingness for that matter. Unknown is unknown.