I see your point, but it makes more sense to look at the personality and work performance of the particular individual you want to hire. There are resumes and job interviews for that. You must have some professional criteria you judge people on for hiring, use those if you are looking for good performance...
ThenFuckit stated: source post
No, nationality should be uniting.
What you explained is race.
And if you care for strangers on a bus that are from your nation, you should expect the same from them. Which is not true right now, but it could be.
What is nationality? What is culture? Do we need to speak the same language to be considered 'the same'? What about regional dialects I can hardly understand? For example, I understand standard Norwegian better than I understood my great-grandparents (they were from Scania, southern most part of Sweden).
Nationalism is just our brains trying to see the world of today from a tribal perspective so that it can cope.
ThenFuckit stated: source post
The main problem with the immigrants is that:
First, they were just accepted without any kind of good process? That's insane. Now they are sending back the economic migrants. Now its too late.
Not saying there are no problems, of course.
ThenFuckit stated: source post
When you go to another country, you respect their culture. If you go to live there, you will have to change to their culture. This is respecting other nations cultures. And the other side, if someone comes to your nation, you should expect them to respect your culture....
Of course even if they come and integrate and everything is fine and dandy, there will be some cultural change. But it will be gradual and it will be evolution of culture, not forced and filled with hate and disrespect.
If this immigration was done right, the world would make too much sense, i would start to think i am living in the matrix.
I agree with this, pretty much, but I also think it's more problematic in real life. People can't change culture completely even if they tried to, their adolescent years are too formative. They can definitely respect and to a certain degree assimilate, but complete integration? I don't think so.
I don't even think it is right to expect people to drop their own culture when moving. What can be expected however is that they follow the laws and as often as possible act with respect and tolerance. If they want to practice strange rites or customs they can do that on their own.
My general point is that culture and nationality is hard to define and thus difficult to demand from someone. I personally also find the division into national tribes rather backwards.
ThenFuckit stated: source post
eidt:"Why not hate the misogynistic vein that exists in Muslim culture instead?"
Ok, you can just hate that. But if you take that vein out, the entire 'body' of this culture dies.
And there are many more veins that you should hate. So only hate 95% of the culture. Doesn't that seem extremely unpractical? A culture is not a set of individuals, its a collection of ideas put to practice to create a single entity.
What is there to like about this culture? Their pretty buildings/arts i guess. Thought i do not know much arts of the muslim culture, but i never looked into it, i guess they exist.
Saying Muslim culture is 95% bad stuff is kind of narrow minded, no? I get your point but I think that kind of thinking leads to conflicts instead of solutions, and thus not desirable.
A nation is made of borders, civilization and a culture.
A culture can have many languages, many religions, many traditions. But such cultures would be rare, because when there are so many general differences that it creates division. This is why a culture needs a standard that is followed by everyone. This doesn't mean that deviations must be bad. It only means that deviations are not for the public, they need to coexist with the current standard, they can be in private and with friends. Not imposing you deviance on others is just common decency. You may say that this will create pretense, that people will lie about themselves or feel pressured. But i do not think thats necessary, you just need to understand that there is a time and place for everything. You may say that such cultural standards might create fanatics that are afraid of new things/change. But this itself would be a deviance. To impose on someones private doing is disrespectful and lacks decency. If this is the case, then the culture itself is flawed. And if the entire public gets involved in the same deviance, this deviance will become part of the standard over time, this is cultural evolution.
Nationalism is required to create one united human world with multiculturalism. Because such a world needs well educated, disciplined, decent, respectful, confident and united people. Only once we have a world of such people we can hope to unite. This(one united world) will not happen in the foreseeable feature, no matter what route you take.
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I usually only tell people the immigrants should follow the laws. But if i was to talk more about my opinion, its that they need to drop their culture from the public sphere(so kind of what you said). They should drop it so much, that only the insane pap that invade private lives will report it. You should not care how hard it is for someone to integrate, as long as you give them reasonable paths. And their feelings is not something that matters. The problem is when their culture has no respect for other cultures.
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"Saying Muslim culture is 95% bad stuff is kind of narrow minded, no? I get your point but I think that kind of thinking leads to conflicts instead of solutions, and thus not desirable."
No, i didnt do the math, but if someone does, i am pretty sure it will be within 75%-95%. A conflict is a solution.
No conflict leads to the final solution.
ThenFuckit stated: source post
This is why a culture needs a standard that is followed by everyone. This doesn't mean that deviations must be bad. It only means that deviations are not for the public, they need to coexist with the current standard, they can be in private and with friends. Not imposing you deviance on others is just common decency.
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I usually only tell people the immigrants should follow the laws. But if i was to talk more about my opinion, its that they need to drop their culture from the public sphere(so kind of what you said).
Speaking of Muslim culture and misogyny, there's been a debate in Sweden recently about a Muslim politician (for a non-Muslim party) that refused to shake a female reporter's hand. He claimed it was too intimate according to his religion/culture and that he'd rather greet women differently (a hand on his chest and a slight bow). Would this be an acceptable infringement on the current standard culture (Swedes greet by shaking hands), do you think? Or should he not impose this cultural deviancy on a non-Muslim country?
My spontaneous reaction was that he should adopt the mainstream cultural norm in this case. If I were to live in a southern European country however I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable kissing strangers on the cheek as a form of greeting, so I'd probably try to avoid doing that. That'd be just as 'wrong' though, wouldn't it?
In general I agree with you, but I can't decide where I think the line between 'cultural standard' and 'cultural deviancy' should be drawn.
ThenFuckit stated: source post
Nationalism is required to create one united human world with multiculturalism. Because such a world needs well educated, disciplined, decent, respectful, confident and united people. Only once we have a world of such people we can hope to unite. This(one united world) will not happen in the foreseeable feature, no matter what route you take.
Nationalism (and 'correct' borders) does not truly unite us, it only dampens the risk for cultural conflicts. Instead we need more education, because that teaches people the value of respect and tolerance. But I agree that this probably is an utopian vision.
Edvard stated: source post
Ofc Wooster thinks racism is rational, people always rationalize shit like this because it's a good way to blind themselves to the fact that it comes from fear, and hatred of different. Right wing extremism comes from fear, the same way narcissism stems from deep seated insecurities.
It's frustrating when people are so fucking confused about themselves they don't see what comes from their feelings, and what comes from reason. Like Luna and a bunch of other logic-robot wannabees here saying they are all logic, but having obvious issues with their emotions.
Hahah. Yep, this. Those that try so hard to come off as being cooly detached and contrary when in reality they are just slaves to emotional conditioning they are too ignorant to comprehend. Mental slavery at its best.
"Fear"?? My sweet hairy arse.
The only fear i see is the irrational superstitious fear of being called a "racist", "islamophobe", "xenophobe" & any of those meaningless faddy terms, made up by the irrationals to intimidate the insecure & mentally infirm.
I wouldn't even call it a 'fear', i call it cowardice.
I take it you never even checked out the articles i linked (two out of hundreds). They are FACTS. (Statistics, science, whatever you call it.)