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Lately, I've been having a build up of events that have pushed me farther than normal. Coping with my old behaviors just isn't becoming acceptable as the issues I've kept under wraps continually seem to worsen. Something needs to change and honestly I have no other leads than to do what I've typically done in the past, dive head first and let these behaviors drive me to reform how I act.

My issue is flat out and plain, an extremely large base of narcissistic insecurity and a very high standard/self image. In my early teens(13-15) I was extremely delusional. Due to home conditions growing up, I lacked a father figure for a significant period of time. My mother has severe borderline personality disorder, resulting into emotional tirades and meltdowns almost daily, sometimes to the point of her not being able to function or make decent decisions for her and my brothers well being. My father left at a young age, but instilled I needed to be "the man of the house" before he left. That message stuck, in honoring his memory I took up that role, supervising my mother and brother at as young a age 8. I was reminding her to pay her bills on certain dates during the month(when she got paid), would go with her shopping critiquing what she'd buy, refusing gifts in order for her to pay utilities, becoming the main discipline figure for my brother and calming my mother down during her daily breakdowns. What was worse was that this position wasn't challenged by my mother and this behavior continued for years, building up an feeling of superiority and need for control.

Fast forward to me being 15 I noticed these behaviors and how what I saw wasn't what was exactly in front of me. That need for control and being used to a position of authority had built up an enormous base of insecurity where I needed that same degree of control and supremacy that mimicked my childhood to feel normal/function. What soon happened was that once I understood this delusion, the need for validation changed. It was not enough for me to feel superior, I had to prove it. Since then my life has been filled with me taking on arduous, unnecessary burdens to prove to myself I am as good as I thought I was. Focused in the right places, its gained me some success but honestly it's become entirely too self destructive. The bar for supremacy raised as I made each successful validation and that image of myself in my head got subconsciously bigger and bigger. What started as a shallow, narcissistic compass turned into an OCD/Perfectionist compulsion that needed to be achieved or I faced consequences. Not living up to my own standards on even the smallest level lead to depression, anxiety, feelings of self hate/resentment that would last sometimes for weeks unless I pushed that bar up. 

Those consequences aren't something I can control, I can sit here and fully acknowledge what I expect of myself is ridiculously absurd, but it does not stem those symptoms from coming. I'm forced to be perfect. Insecurity has been the main driving force behind everything I've done in my young life so far. It's the reason I picked the hardest job, in the hardest branch of the world's best military at age 17. The prime example of this is when I worked at a factory for over a year. 60 hour mandatory weeks, physical labor(stacking 30-40 lb bags thousands of times a day) for hours on end. What happened was, fresh out of Infantry School, I found the job too easy. I started doubling the quota, but that soon did not become enough, I'd start skipping both of my breaks working 8-12 hours straight. What came next was that I started skipping out on sleep, purposely for that feeling of validation. I'd go 3-4 days at a time, no breaks, no sleep and when it was all said and done I was weary but accomplished. Fast forward almost 2 years later, where I had to withhold that standard or pass above it due to psychological compulsions, I had a series of nervous breakdowns which made me isolate myself from anyone outside of work for sometime(I needed all the free time I could to relax).

So, here I am at 20 years old, looking for the next level of validation. It's the only thing I'm motivated to do and because of this I'm going to be sending myself out overseas to do contracting work instead of going to college. I honestly don't see anyway out of this anytime soon, I've learned that instead of fighting against it, it's better to work with the drives and try to position them in the right direction to be successful at least. At this rate, I dont see it working. Sure it's an endless source of motivation but the bar rises too quick and I'm prone to divulge into self destructive behaviors yet again to get the validation I've come to need. The closest condition I've found to this is covert narcissism, though it's not even officially an actual thing I found the traits in these two links to be both varying but accurate.

http://narcissisticbehavior.net/revealing-the-two-faces-of-narcissism-overt-and-covert-narcissism/

http://www1.appstate.edu/~hillrw/Narcissism/shycovertnarcissist.html

A chart(hit or miss with my symptoms, but you get the general idea) http://www1.appstate.edu/~hillrw/Narcissism/arrogantshycomparison.html

Overall, im looking for anyone that can relate, suggest/offer any advice and insight as to what I can do.

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"I think you should try to broaden your definitions of success and the ideals you want to live up"

Oddly enough I've spent years doing the opposite. Narrowing down the areas I needed to find validation in, being as widespread as they used to be, the degree of success I needed in each field wasnt lowered. The bar was set and if I did it, I needed to do it 100% to the best of my ability. I've restricted it down to simply upholding my sense of values(rigorously) and chasing my potential through introspection/self improvement, which seems to suffice for now. 

There are times however that this behavior has bleeded into other areas of my life subconsciously. My social circles, relationships and even my hobbies. The most memorable was between the relationships(I absolutely strove to be the best lover in all ways I could possibly be) and a certain video game I'd play years back when i worked at the factory. I took this outrageous goal to complete it under handicapped conditions, what ended up happening was me replaying the same 15 minutes of gameplay multiple times a day, almost everyday out of the week for 2 months. 

"and incorporate health into your set of standards."

Working out definitely helps with that

 "It's easy to build your own cage of bad habits and coping mechanisms. Many people do exactly that. Building your cage out of an insane amount of work doesn't set you apart. You are just differently maladapted."

Yeah, its the severity of the coping mechanisms that really poses the issue and my inability to change/lower them.

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From what I read. You should really consider some form of Teaching. You NEED to be in some sort of leadership position. 

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Yes. The narc dx fits.

That also explains some of your online behaviours lately. You've been noticeably... different this past month. You usually bite back on a lot for the sake of good mannners (yes I can tell :P) This past month you've been letting more come to the surface, editing yourself less, amirite?

You know what? You're making the right decision. The work experience matters more than the hours spent in a classroom when you get out into the real world.

School is just smthg most people do between paychecks nowadays. School will still be there if your position overseas doesn't work out. As long as you've been careful about debt management (and my guess would be that you're proud enough to be paying your tuition in cash) you're better off working.

Take the prize and leave the fluff behind as a fallback option.

 

About being a narc? From what I understand the disorder is incurable.

It doesn't seem like such a horrible handicap in your case, anyway. I've seen way worse narcs than you. I tend to bring out the worst in those people for some reason.  ]:D

Just keep your eyes open to other people's strengths, and understand that learning from another person doesn't automatically set up a bitch/master relationship. Knowing where your own Achilles' heel is will help you grow as well.

 

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I can relate to your problem to some extent. I am driven by my own standards and if I don't live up to them my mind goes awry. Your post reads way more intense than my personal experience though.

I think you should try to broaden your definitions of success and the ideals you want to live up to and incorporate health into your set of standards. It's easy to build your own cage of bad habits and coping mechanisms. Many people do exactly that. Building your cage out of an insane amount of work doesn't set you apart. You are just differently maladapted.

That's the perspective that works for me.

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:) I guess each of us have our own way to deal with it, I personally prefer to be the ruler of myself instead of let some other thing to make me do things, wish you luck battling your introject.

Here's a meme just 4 u

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Thanks. Informative to say the least.

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Sound advice, I agree with all of it. Thanks

"Just keep your eyes open to other people's strengths, and understand that learning from another person doesn't automatically set up a bitch/master relationship"

I made an effort years back to tolerant accepting of constructive criticism, luckily its worked wonders and has helped me grow a considerable amount.

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The way I dealt with that is to answer back at the voice in my head that pushes me to strive for perfection, for example I'd write some code and it said "You could implement this feature for free and it would be better" and my reply was "Yeah, waste another hour of my life so I can say that this 20$/h thing is flawless. you are a genius bud) it got more and more aggressive but I don't feel perfectionistic drives anymore, you should try it.

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