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"I wouldn't think that someone who comes from copious amounts of wealth is likely to understand that sort of money-guilt. "

Thoroughly disagree. Money guilt? Do you realize what you're saying? Only  the wealthy attempt to use 'money issues' to guilt trip people. The poor are merely stating a fact when they state that it's unwise to spend money on some greedy person's whims when mortgage payments are due. Simple cause and effect.

Using a term like money-guilt is like saying standing-in-the-middle-of-the-freeway-at-rush-hour-guilt. I can think of precious few reasons to hope for somebody to put their butts on the line for me by jumping into oncoming traffic. And I say "hope" not "expect" Using rush hour traffic to get them to express their love and pay attention to me is not on the list.

Asking somebody with limited resources to waste them on pointless therapy is akin to  ^the above expectation. Simple cause and effect. Waste not want not.

"...do you not see how Sin could take that as a guilt-inducing statement?"

I can see how some abstract and thoroughly messed up, extremely hypothetical somebody could feel guilty over that statement. But that person would be far more delusional and broken than I believe Sin to be.

2+2=4  Like who feels guilty over that statement?

Income minus tax payments= disposable income. Disposable income minus the cost of essentials like food and rent = discretionary income. Discretionary income may be allotted for non-essentials provided there is enough of it. If there is not enough discretionary income available for luxury items then the family goes without the luxury items. Not the essentials.

It's math. A descriptive statement, not a normative statement.

"Asking somebody with limited resources to waste them on pointless therapy is akin to  ^the above expectation. Simple cause and effect. Waste not want not."

I have to agree.

;)

"Asking somebody with limited resources to waste them on pointless therapy is akin to  ^the above expectation. Simple cause and effect. Waste not want not."
You know, Sin parents could choose to not send her to therapy. She doesn't even want to go into any form of hospitalization.
 

Seconded with a hearty hell yes. :D

Now we are likely coming to the real issue.

If you are correct (and I suspect you are) what remains is to teach the poor kid that understanding how others don't give a flying fuck is our most compelling coming of age ritual. Fuck the Molly Ringwald and Zach Effron movies Hollywood sells us. What we learn to do IRL when we become adults is closer to Rick Grimes'  "can we come back from it" speeches.

People suck and there's no getting around it.

Thoughts?

I think our wavelengths are synced on this, so it's up to the rest to come around to 2+2=4 for themselves.  There is a vanity which I think can be exploited in Sin that can have her gaze into the right mirror, eventually, and see it for herself.  For most, it's called "growing up."  Just need people to direct her gaze to the right place or to have her look away from a different place...or some other similar metaphor.  Right?

"No. I'm saying that I don't believe that Sin is depressed or that she's telling the truth about wanting to self harm/die."

But then your previous argument, which appears to be a very generalized statement:

"Again: If this doesn't work, we must assume that the subject is lying"

- must not be true.  And if that's not true, then it's not a valid argument for why Sin is lying.  I do however agree with you that Sin is not looking for help.  She's made that clear a number of times, in fact.  Which brings me to this:

"Asking somebody with limited resources to waste them on pointless therapy is akin to  ^the above expectation. Simple cause and effect. Waste not want not."

As far as I know, Sin has never asked her parents for therapy.  Nor hospitalization, nor pills.  She seems clearly opposed to these things.  Her parents are essentially forcing them on her.  That's their choice, not hers.  That doesn't make her selfish.  If anything, she's trying to keep them in the dark about her problems.  Which is why she talks about them here.  It's not unreasonable to want to talk about your mental state.  And Sin is channeling that desire into a medium which has no consequences, due to it's anonymity.  You say Sin must not be suicidal because she talks about it, and suicidal people would never talk about it because they don't want to be stopped.  Who here can stop her?

"Thoroughly disagree. Money guilt? Do you realize what you're saying? Only  the wealthy attempt to use 'money issues' to guilt trip people."

Except Turncoat isn't trying to guilt trip anyone with money. : P  He's suggesting that you, whether intentionally or unintentionally, may be guilt-tripping Sin.  I don't think you are, because I don't think Sin cares about your opinion of her families finances.  However, telling someone that they're being an unnecessary burden on their family, whether true or not, can obviously cause guilt.  I'm not saying it never needs to be said, of course some people are selfish in that way.  But TC seeing your statements in that light really doesn't say much of anything about him.  Certainly not that he's some rich kid who can't relate to financial strain.

"I can see how some abstract and thoroughly messed up, extremely hypothetical somebody could feel guilty over that statement. But that person would be far more delusional and broken than I believe Sin to be."

It's delusional and thoroughly messed up to feel bad about being a financial burden on your parents?  I thought you were supposed to be the lone empath on this forum? XD

"It's math. A descriptive statement, not a normative statement."

The math is the means to an end.  It's the conclusion that matters.  You're using these "mathematical" statements to imply, if not outright say, that Sin is selfish, spoiled, and wasteful.

"Who here can stop her?"
Who here would? (save for Ed)

I might, as well.  I could take the moral stance and say I think she's too young to make such a permanent decision.  She should wait until she's at least 20.  But while I do believe that, that's not why.  If I didn't prefer her presence on the forum, I wouldn't bother.  If I disliked her, even a little, I'd probably be cheering her on.  But I enjoy Sin.  I hope she doesn't die.