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I looked at research about corporal punishment of children, and while most studies did conclude it tends to have negative consequences (such as lower receptive vocabulary, higher levels of externalizing behavior), data was mixed, with some studies finding little correlation between between reasonable spanking and social/cognitive outcomes. I read arguments for both sides of the topic of corporal punishment, and seen reason in them. Spanking, for instance, has been shown to be effective in kids who are not responsive to "time outs." All I was doing was offering alternatives to corporal punishment...spanking seems to be very common in America while there may be better methods of controlling behavior that are not utilized often enough.

That's all well and good if you're a nice middle class family with 2 kids and you've got the time and space to do that, but many families don't. When I was a kid going round to my nan's house the wooden spoon was an instrument of terror, but then I had over 30 cousins on that side of the family alone and many more extended family members running around, I'm sure she did care but there simply wasn't the time to build a connection or have the patience to explain things. 

If I had kids I probably would physically discipline them, partly because it's part of the culture I grew up with and it makes me a bit defensive to have someone come along and say 'your culture is wrong'. Also, I know it's a cliche, but it didn't do me any harm. 

I see what you are saying, but perhaps there are good alternatives to beating children? Like creating incentives for positive behavior? Creating temporary restrictions for negative behaviors? Having the patience to explain things to them? Children ask "why?" so often because they are trying to make sense of the world...it is important that parents thoughtfully answer them, instead of giving throwaway responses (I have seen this a lot). Most importantly, parents very early on should be trying to connect at an emotional level with their children, and maintain that bond. I think the parents of the out-of-control children in these videos have failed to reach their kids.

Do you know that corporal punishment in the home was banned in Sweden in 1979? The generation that grew up under that policy did not end up being a bunch of assholes...in fact, Sweden has some of the strongest social programs in the world. If you want to know about how attitudes toward corporal punishment have shifted in Sweden since 1979, here is a 2014 paper covering that topic (page 155 is where the interesting data is). Corporal punishment of children is banned in 47 countries currently.

"You know, when you ignore what I wrote and edit out end of the paragraph in question, things tend to get a bit messy. The law that criminalizes physically disciplining a child is only a single attribute that reflects the nature of government. They always expand themselves and new laws are given."

"The thing is people will always submit to the law, cause people are afraid of being outside of it. It took some generations before a vast majority figured marijuana isn't what the law says it is, legalization of that will be imminent in this lifetime and people will be fine with it in terms of the truth of the matter. The masses have to be kept at lowered awareness in order for government to maintain power over them."

In what way does what you wrote relate to parenting methods? My post was about alternative approaches to parenting beyond spanking your kid when s/he does not listen, which may render corporal punishment unnecessary if successful, or at least make physical punishment a last resort. Are you implying here that Swedes have high approval ratings ("90% disagreed that [spanking] is 'sometimes the best way to get the child to listen'") for their corporal punishment ban because it is an established law?

"It is groupthink. Alcohol was once a crime and there were masses who were against it solely for that reason. Now alcohol's legal and people are fine with it more than they are about weed. 

We're not talking about natures law, but man's law. In the medieval times it was  believed that public executions were encouraged by the people simply because it was the law. Laws are different over time and around the world, and the laws in Sweden are so faulty it's driving them into the ground. It's actually revolutionary for a Swede to speak up about it.

Government passes a law, the masses will conform to it."

When laws are seen unfavorably, people reach a level of discontent where something will be done about it. That is why the prohibition of alcohol was a failure, and that is why there currently are so many marijuana activists groups trying to get pot legalized. And no, people do not generally believe that alcohol is better for either your health, or society, compared to marijuana.

"Canada has 3 times the amount of Muslims than Sweden and we don't have those issues."

Nor did Canada just open a veritable floodgate of economic migrants. The situation is entirely different because of culture shock on a massive scale.

"Our laws don't put immigrants on a pedestal or anything like what Sweden does. The Muslim religion itself has practices, one of them happens to be beating their children if and when the time comes, they do not respect the Swedes in that regard and their culture is dominating Sweden cause they don't maintain strictness. Instead they want to be the child's buddy instead of their parent."

If that time comes, we will see what happens.

All of your links are about a book called How Children Took Power, and the views of its author. A variety of perspectives would give us more vantage points than one.

you're such a stupid american, how are you even canadian? with your predictable 'welcome to sweden' horror clips and your biased news stories, you're so dumb. i'm assuming you were beaten as a child, and look what a narcissistic mess you are now lol. it would be the delusional ones who try to pretend physical abuse helped them grow into a better person or something 'i'm so lucky my dad beat me with the plug socket and the buckle end of a belt, or i wouldn't be so wise'

"That's 47 out of 196 countries. But those numbers don't really matter."

Perhaps it would be more useful to note what countries are implementing these programs, to give perspective.

"The world is becoming a train wreck. Even our entertainment is considerably far out in the modern norm."

I completely agree...although I also feel like it's always been a "train wreck?" I guess it depends on your perspective. But as society becomes increasingly materialistic, people are become more and more detached. Just yesterday, I was watching a local news channel...these anchors brought up several recent homicides, completely deadpan. Then there was this "Breaking News" graphic, and they brought up how a football player was leaving the city team, and the male anchor yelled, "I'm gonna be sick!" The whole series of events seemed to me like a metaphor for the modern condition.

"The masses have to be kept at lowered awareness in order for government to maintain power over them."

By not beating their kids? Not sure where this is coming from.

"All that paper suggests is that most Swedes say it's wrong to beat children, despite coming from generations who were physically disciplined. The notion that physical discipline is wrong is a groupthink, imaginary boundaries set by Swedish law. It's the masses going with the flow."

The paper goes into the social and cultural conditions which led to the point at which Swedes are at on the issue, and the ramifications of that social process. As far as any laws go, you can can label them a form of "groupthink," unless you're living under a dictator. The merit of a law should not be disregarded because you see it as a form of "groupthink."

"Sweden needs money due to how easy it is for immigrants to migrate there, many of which live on social security, and they will invite people to come and have a stay. Their government boasts their nation to be safe, and they actually focus on short term penalties for a majority of criminals I've read.

Now even for the immigrants, it's against the heavily enforced law to physically discipline their children."

That is a different discussion, and so are the contents of your videos, which are all related to the waves of migrants.

Those clips are made by Swedish people.

Beating has nothing to do with the level of one's intelligence. It's about proper etiquette and mannerisms that prevent calamity when the child is in need of it.

People turn out better with strict upbringing.  

"In what way does what you wrote relate to parenting methods?"

The bigger question is, how does parenting methods relate to ones upbringing in society ? What I pointed out there is people's willingness to follow whatever the law tells them. In this case a traditional parenting method has been outlawed, and the masses became complaint.

"My post was about alternative approaches to parenting beyond spanking your kid when s/he does not listen, which may render corporal punishment unnecessary if successful, or at least make physical punishment a last resort."

Okay. But this thread is about white trash, and I use the term white cause 95% of the time when they spiral out of control, it's white kids. Time outs and trying to reason with those children don't work. Corporal punishment is 100% so long as the punishment promotes respect for others.

"Are you implying here that Swedes have high approval ratings ("90% disagreed that [spanking] is 'sometimes the best way to get the child to listen'") for their corporal punishment ban because it is an established law?"

Absolutely.

Sweden in particular has a 60% approval rating for the war on cannabis too. It's not only happening in Sweden, but people rather frown at a non lethal substance more than alcohol and tobacco, because it's against the law. This is far from independent thinking.

"When laws are seen unfavorably, people reach a level of discontent where something will be done about it. That is why the prohibition of alcohol was a failure, and that is why there currently are so many marijuana activists groups trying to get pot legalized. And no, people do not generally believe that alcohol is better for either your health, or society, compared to marijuana."

I agree with that. I never said the people generally believe that alcohol is better. Though this is because we can obtain information easier than before.

Me. I saw the world dramatically change, from clothing styles, to cars getting smaller and more advance along side computers. With all that came the people's outlook on the truth, some history that hasn't been taught in school has even surfaced and rewrote what we know about the subject at hand. The point I'm making is, the world once thought cannabis was bad. People hear something's bad, and they believe it not by experience.

The ones who think cannabis is okay, though they never smoked it, can only rely on others who see it to be true, that too is a groupthink.

When laws are passed, it will come into play, the public's scrutiny will eventually come, though traditionally it takes many decades of trail because a majority collectively side with laws they cannot defeat.

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"Canada has 3 times the amount of Muslims than Sweden and we don't have those issues."

"Nor did Canada just open a veritable floodgate of economic migrants. The situation is entirely different because of culture shock on a massive scale."

I don't understand what you mean by that. Canada is the most diverse nation in the world. We have politicians wearing turbans working next to a variety of races. Some of my white people actually think it's awkward being white in Toronto. Canada plans on taking in 25,000 Syrian refugees, so we'll see how that pans out. But I'll tell you this. There will be no crying racist at job interviews and the government settling it with money like Sweden does.

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I personally think Sweden is a poor choice to look up to. Their government teaches them to be tools in the face of controversy  It'll be a 3rd world country within 2 decades.

"The masses have to be kept at lowered awareness in order for government to maintain power over them."

"By not beating their kids? Not sure where this is coming from."

You know, when you ignore what I wrote and edit out end of the paragraph in question, things tend to get a bit messy. The law that criminalizes physically disciplining a child is only a single attribute that reflects the nature of government. They always expand themselves and new laws are given.   

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"The paper goes into the social and cultural conditions which led to the point at which Swedes are at on the issue, and the ramifications of that social process. As far as any laws go, you can can label them a form of "groupthink," unless you're living under a dictator. The merit of a law should not be disregarded because you see it as a form of "groupthink."

It is groupthink. Alcohol was once a crime and there were masses who were against it solely for that reason. Now alcohol's legal and people are fine with it more than they are about weed. 

We're not talking about natures law, but man's law. In the medieval times it was  believed that public executions were encouraged by the people simply because it was the law. Laws are different over time and around the world, and the laws in Sweden are so faulty it's driving them into the ground. It's actually revolutionary for a Swede to speak up about it.

Government passes a law, the masses will conform to it.

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"That is a different discussion, and so are the contents of your videos, which are all related to the waves of migrants."

It's totally related. Sweden is a nation that lacks discipline.

Sweden's issues began 3 decades ago. When they decreed it a crime to physically discipline children, the next generation to rise within the decade is when the once great nation started to fall.

Canada has 3 times the amount of Muslims than Sweden and we don't have those issues. Our laws don't put immigrants on a pedestal or anything like what Sweden does. The Muslim religion itself has practices, one of them happens to be beating their children if and when the time comes, they do not respect the Swedes in that regard and their culture is dominating Sweden cause they don't maintain strictness. Instead they want to be the child's buddy instead of their parent.

I'll quote you....

"Do you know that corporal punishment in the home was banned in Sweden in 1979? The generation that grew up under that policy did not end up being a bunch of assholes...in fact, Sweden has some of the strongest social programs in the world."

Sweden is the spoiled capital of the world.

http://www.themotherish.com/country-spoiled-brats-well-give-one-guess/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/was-sweden-right-to-spare-the-rod-a-new-book-has-attacked-the-1979-decision-to-ban-smacking-8916458.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/10421246/Swedish-parenting-has-created-nation-of-brats.html

http://www.thelocal.se/20131028/51040

http://twelvetribes.com/articles/generation-monsters

A lot of reading material on the subject online.

Finally A Swede.

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