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Don't play by society's rules - Cynical people are awesome!

 

by Legga

long time no see inq how are you?

Didn't see you there... I'm good, you?

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Don't play by society's rules - Cynical people are awesome!

You just try applying what you think you know when you meet an individual even more cynical and self aware than yourself. @OP

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None of what we do really matters though; we're just small pecks of dust even in our own galaxy. Nobody cares who the strongest ant is, it's just an ant and it won't ever make anything bigger than a small contribution to the ant society.

What if I told you that it was we humans who created the Big Bang, and that this entire universe exists as it is precisely because of us? Suddenly everything matters now and we have the entire fate of the universe on our hands (because we want to recreate the Big Bang once more so we can re-experience the game eternally). 

If this is what really happens, then every choice in your life matters (since it will repeat itself eternally). So what's the problem of insects behaving like insects? They, too, are making their contributions to our most sacred goal.

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hey dude, you seem to have missed that post where i ripped you apart. i'll wait, no problem.

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Ultimately we are here just to have fun. This is why we humans created the universe: to have fun.

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The trick has nothing to do with playing by societies rules. I had a security team and a few cruisers on me a few days ago. The trick is knowing how to exploit the rules to your benefit.

Policy makers, and law breakers will never get along, as there is a chain of command which buffers any sense of humanity, so, you must understand the rules are there, to be exploited, rather than broken. People will not bend the rules, however they will understand when you exploit the rules in a manner where policy went wrong.

Does that make sense to anyone? The justice system is a system based on peer judgement. Break a law, it's easy to see, clear as day, that your peers who are bound to the law will persecute you where they see you have caused injustice. However, if your actions are routed in justice, you can bend any law you want.

 

 

Example.... the law says you cannot park your car there, and the guy coming along giving out tickets, is going to ticket you, because they are bound to policy, rather than justice, or a sense of humanity. So, I don't drive a car to park, but I can imagine any number of people taking a ticket to court and getting the ticket thrown out.

So. All rules are there to be bent, however, breaking them, isn't going to get many people anywhere.

 

Your intent when breaking or bending a law better be in order when you get face to face with the policy maker.

 

 

Yes, I know it doesn't make sense, but neither does the law very many times over.

This is simply drifting further off topic in a sense, however this is perfect example of how heavy policy can cause huge injustices.

Father arrested over daughter's gun drawing won't get apology, agency says

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/02/28/father-arrested-over-daughters-gun-drawing-wont-get-apology-agency-says

KITCHENER, ONT. - The Sansone family is not getting any apologies after they were put through hell by school officials, social workers and police last week.

And, the smoking gun -- a child's drawing that triggered the whole thing -- will never be seen.

"I am really sorry that the family is as upset as they are, but we followed proper standards and procedures," said Alison Scott, executive director of Family and Child Services for the Waterloo Region.

She told QMI Agency if the same situation happened again tomorrow, her organization would do the exact same thing over again.

"I do not see any need for our agency to apologize for fulfilling our mandated responsibility," Scott said.

The drawing that startled the teacher, who started the domino effect, has vanished.

 

 

And it is only going to get worse. So, you must bend the rules, and be sure to hold the policy makers accountable, or meet face to face with the authoritarians, as everyone else is simply showing up for work. In that particular case, even the policy makers will not bend, so... it doesn't make any sense, so, whatever, get ready for massive injustices with the rise of socialism structures. I don't truly know.

 

 

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by Luna Prey

I think there is a certain advantage to not playing by the rules of society.

A great example is our government system. Contracts, financing agreements, legal or medical documents, or even taxes, it's all just a system, and if one can understand it, and navigate it efficiently, then we can identify areas that don't need to be taken seriously, and basically just be prepared.

I think it's due to my time in China-- where almost every Chinese student is paying a company to write their applications to American universities, where businesses all around me are purchasing favors from government representatives to get ahead.

On one instance, I was helping a school to get parents to join by showing my face. I'm white, and so my friend-- who was an enterprising college student, would tell their parents that "we" are starting this school to teach English. It was good marketing, but she expressed concern that if she grew too large, bigger schools would pay the local police to come shut her down.

On another instance, I've seen expats forge fake degrees so that they could possess the right credentials for jobs, and foreign expert visas.

When two Chinese vehicle drivers get into an accident, they immediately call the highest government rep they know, and whoever has more influence will find the other at fault. If they run into a scooter, they will usually just give the injured cash on the spot, or even just drive off.

I don't think it's just China that has made my cynical. As you guys know, I was adopted when I was 2, and before then, I lived in foster homes. The doctors thought I was retarded when I was born because my biological mom did coke while I was in her tummy. As a result of this, I'm told that I lived the first two years of my life basically doing nothing. Sitting in high-chairs, and watching my siblings play. Then I was adopted. My new family was Christian, and they tried to tell me about god, and all that, but I never really believed it. I never had a real fear in god. It mostly played to my advantage because I could say "I swear to god", and everyone would believe me.

I also think I'm cynical because one must be cynical to truly understand human nature. We are taught about love, and all that, but I think Human nature is much more crude. We are all heroes of our own story. We all want to feel important, and expand our ego. We are nice to those who help us do that, and mean to those who do the opposite.

If you are ignorant, you go to meet a potential client, and have no idea what you will say, other than perhaps a sales pitch. If you understand things, though, you will already know that you will make them feel important. You will seek out their interests and engage them on those things, you will compliment and admire them, and in the end you will get a contract because Humans are idiots, and when you disassociate your ego, yourself, and focus only on your goal, you can become whatever is needed to accomplish your goals.

I think anyone who is cynical, will have less regard for rules. And I truly believe that you have to be cynical to excel in life.

It's not just cynicism though. One can understand things, but that means nothing unless that person wishes to manifest a new reality. I say manifest because that's what it is. Our minds build a virtual model of our reality in our heads. This model is the "universe" we know around us. We can then run simulations in this model to figure out ways to achieve a goal. The more accurate this model is, the better we can come up with plans to achieve our goals.

In this way, we manifest the new universe in our minds, and then bring that reality to life in the real world through our actions. If one has no will to manifest a new reality, then perhaps they will just get married, and live a hedonistic lifestyle.

I think that's why there must be a certain degree of narcissism in any individual who wishes to achieve a lot of success in life! 

We are the result of our experiences, and thus through our decisions, we build ourselves by guiding our experiences. Someone who is driven toward a single long term goal, can, almost like a MMORPG character, customize their person, their personality, and their knowledge base to be exactly what is required to achieve the goal.

Without that underlying drive, I feel like a lot of Humans just become what evolution has dictated of them. Some examples! Pets. It is so easy for a cynic like myself to look at a pet, and see an animal which has evolved to unknowingly manipulate humans into loving them by taking advantage of the Human need to feel important, desired, and loved. Yet-- ask 90% of the Humans what they think of their pets, and they will absolutely love them. It doesn't matter to them.

Another great example... friends. We don't need friends. I have got along just fine the past couple years by having relationships with only my clients. The cultural idea that we must have friends is absolutely senseless. What are friends? People who we help feel important, and provide a means to expand their ego? Don't believe me? Just say their name. That makes them feel good. Ask them about their day. That will make them feel even more important! Humans only care about themselves, and when you give them attention, they will obviously like you for it. Does that make friendship this magical thing that we must maintain so that we may be "good people"? One can be aware of their underlying evolutionary need to feel companionship, and gain that feeling through more productive means than useless gossiping friends.

So... want to be successful? Ditch the friends, pets, sentiment, ego, and focus on your goals! 

 Way to describe the majority of middle-upper class members of society, it's called understanding the system in place, and using it to your advantage.

Friends are a necessity to success, not friends in the conventional sense though, obviously put yourself before them when it matters and you lose nothing and gain a lot.

It's also quite amusing that you are telling people here, of all places, firstly to 'focus' and secondly to assume they even have 'goals'.

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by Luna Prey

i like it though. socialziing for the sake of socilizing... its useless. humans may try to convince themselves that love is real... but its not, and the truth is that our lives ARE pointless... unless we contribute something to humanity. if you step outside yourself, you will see that we are all the same, we are all consciousness. its logical to make life better for your future selves!

Ever since you stumbled into our midst back at Nabble, with glorious plans of colonizing the moon, you've failed to understand that our lives ARE pointless... Period. That you find the notion of evolving humanity appealing and fascinating does not mean it makes any kind of sense from the perspective of raw, impersonal objectivity. There exists no universal truth, only limited interpretations.

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that argument... that we dont matter.. only holds weight if you assume the universe as a whole doesn't matter. if you choose that the existence of the universe doesn't matter. we are a part of that universe, and the universe lives on far after we as individuals die. you can see yourself as an individual, or a part of something larger. something that goes on even after your memories cease to exist.

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by Luna Prey

that argument... that we dont matter.. only holds weight if you assume the universe as a whole doesn't matter. if you choose that the existence of the universe doesn't matter.

And how can you assume/choose otherwise? Just because we're part of something larger than ourselves doesn't mean there's a meaning to it. You're explaining your feelings and wants, not what things are.

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