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Don't play by society's rules - Cynical people are awesome!


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I think there is a certain advantage to not playing by the rules of society.

A great example is our government system. Contracts, financing agreements, legal or medical documents, or even taxes, it's all just a system, and if one can understand it, and navigate it efficiently, then we can identify areas that don't need to be taken seriously, and basically just be prepared.

I think it's due to my time in China-- where almost every Chinese student is paying a company to write their applications to American universities, where businesses all around me are purchasing favors from government representatives to get ahead.

On one instance, I was helping a school to get parents to join by showing my face. I'm white, and so my friend-- who was an enterprising college student, would tell their parents that "we" are starting this school to teach English. It was good marketing, but she expressed concern that if she grew too large, bigger schools would pay the local police to come shut her down.

On another instance, I've seen expats forge fake degrees so that they could possess the right credentials for jobs, and foreign expert visas.

When two Chinese vehicle drivers get into an accident, they immediately call the highest government rep they know, and whoever has more influence will find the other at fault. If they run into a scooter, they will usually just give the injured cash on the spot, or even just drive off.

I don't think it's just China that has made my cynical. As you guys know, I was adopted when I was 2, and before then, I lived in foster homes. The doctors thought I was retarded when I was born because my biological mom did coke while I was in her tummy. As a result of this, I'm told that I lived the first two years of my life basically doing nothing. Sitting in high-chairs, and watching my siblings play. Then I was adopted. My new family was Christian, and they tried to tell me about god, and all that, but I never really believed it. I never had a real fear in god. It mostly played to my advantage because I could say "I swear to god", and everyone would believe me.

I also think I'm cynical because one must be cynical to truly understand human nature. We are taught about love, and all that, but I think Human nature is much more crude. We are all heroes of our own story. We all want to feel important, and expand our ego. We are nice to those who help us do that, and mean to those who do the opposite.

If you are ignorant, you go to meet a potential client, and have no idea what you will say, other than perhaps a sales pitch. If you understand things, though, you will already know that you will make them feel important. You will seek out their interests and engage them on those things, you will compliment and admire them, and in the end you will get a contract because Humans are idiots, and when you disassociate your ego, yourself, and focus only on your goal, you can become whatever is needed to accomplish your goals.

I think anyone who is cynical, will have less regard for rules. And I truly believe that you have to be cynical to excel in life.

It's not just cynicism though. One can understand things, but that means nothing unless that person wishes to manifest a new reality. I say manifest because that's what it is. Our minds build a virtual model of our reality in our heads. This model is the "universe" we know around us. We can then run simulations in this model to figure out ways to achieve a goal. The more accurate this model is, the better we can come up with plans to achieve our goals.

In this way, we manifest the new universe in our minds, and then bring that reality to life in the real world through our actions. If one has no will to manifest a new reality, then perhaps they will just get married, and live a hedonistic lifestyle.

I think that's why there must be a certain degree of narcissism in any individual who wishes to achieve a lot of success in life! 

We are the result of our experiences, and thus through our decisions, we build ourselves by guiding our experiences. Someone who is driven toward a single long term goal, can, almost like a MMORPG character, customize their person, their personality, and their knowledge base to be exactly what is required to achieve the goal.

Without that underlying drive, I feel like a lot of Humans just become what evolution has dictated of them. Some examples! Pets. It is so easy for a cynic like myself to look at a pet, and see an animal which has evolved to unknowingly manipulate humans into loving them by taking advantage of the Human need to feel important, desired, and loved. Yet-- ask 90% of the Humans what they think of their pets, and they will absolutely love them. It doesn't matter to them.

Another great example... friends. We don't need friends. I have got along just fine the past couple years by having relationships with only my clients. The cultural idea that we must have friends is absolutely senseless. What are friends? People who we help feel important, and provide a means to expand their ego? Don't believe me? Just say their name. That makes them feel good. Ask them about their day. That will make them feel even more important! Humans only care about themselves, and when you give them attention, they will obviously like you for it. Does that make friendship this magical thing that we must maintain so that we may be "good people"? One can be aware of their underlying evolutionary need to feel companionship, and gain that feeling through more productive means than useless gossiping friends.

So... want to be successful? Ditch the friends, pets, sentiment, ego, and focus on your goals! 

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Yes, I'm very cynical around other people unless it was hormones that got me to like someone but I am starting to feel now as I get older that family is not something I want to deal with and money and power is much more important because my family has always held me back. I can never make money making decisions without it being shutdown because they only know from their experiences. I honestly wish I had what you had so I could be set free from the jail I live in.

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Okay I liled Luna, and it's been bothering me my cynicism.

I don't hate the NPD definition. I love it, makes me giddly on the inside, but typically just telling a narcissist these things can cause them pain or discomfort, so, sometimes it's safer to be a cynic and lie.

I fucking love the DSM definition for NPD.

Did I tell you my thoughts on the ASPD and Psychopathy conflation by blow hard psychologists and authors in the wiki section?

 

The NPD section can be a little loose to the point of including nearly every person in commercialized society as an unfair tool in the headshrinkers toolbox.

But, not mentioning psychopathy/socioipathy in the NPD section is a HUGE misnomer.

 

At this point in time, I am fairly sure RObert Pickton, and Charles Manson may be significant more NPD than ASPD. I'm trying to figure out Paul Bernardo, and Karla Homolka, but that's tough one. I think they might be ASPD. I don't know. Unibomber. 100% ASPD. Tex Watson, 100% psychopath. Blah blah... There is alot of potential cross over if you ask me. But, take Robert Pickton, inherited millions, had a huge massive ego, yet at the same time, huge self esteem issues (my supposition), went right into the cop shop and demanded they fuck off and leave someone of his stature alone, sort of deal. Went after and killed prostitutes, as if they were either scourage to the earth, or a deep resentment towards his extremely callous and yes, mother who was said to have commited and hidden manslaughter by rolling a hit and run victim into a ditch.

 

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by Luna Prey

I think there is a certain advantage to not playing by the rules of society.

If everyone does this then you'll have a prisoner's dilemma on your hands though. I suppose the idea of 'not playing by the rules of society' requires that most people do follow the rules however.

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Rules and restrictions aren't absolute and should be broken if it is to your benefit. However friends are useful professionally and quantity of life wise, find what you want from them. It is pointless to limit yourself.

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I do wonder Luna, if an oblivious one might fair a better chance in a court of law against fraud charges, when compared to a cynical person, since it is a jury of peers and we tend to judge people based on what feeling they give us.

 

I think anyone who is cynical, will have less regard for rules. And I truly believe that you have to be cynical to excel in life.

 

Hmmmnnn.... I'd think a cynical person might be so, if they followed the rules and were bound to them, while someone freely and obliviously doing as they please with ignorance and disregard towards the rules, may be significantly more happy or pleasant.

 

Yet-- ask 90% of the Humans what they think of their pets, and they will absolutely love them. It doesn't matter to them.

 

Even children will abandon a small baby animal when it becomes older and a chore, or a bore.

Americans Now Spend More Time on Facebook Than They Do on Their Pets

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-07-23/heres-how-much-time-people-spend-on-facebook-daily

the average American now spends 40 minutes a day checking a Facebook feed. That’s nothing compared with television, which Americans spend more than five hours watching on a daily basis.

Take care of their pets (39 minutes)
Household and personal e-mail (33 minutes)
* Household and personal snail mail (17 minutes)

They walk the dogs, if that, or the cat nags them to death.

It's not just cynicism though. One can understand things, but that means nothing unless that person wishes to manifest a new reality. I say manifest because that's what it is. Our minds build a virtual model of our reality in our heads. This model is the "universe" we know around us. We can then run simulations in this model to figure out ways to achieve a goal. The more accurate this model is, the better we can come up with plans to achieve our goals.

With cynicism, I may project a negative view of myself. Hence, the cat nags "me", or "I" never walk the dog, as on average pet owners across america spend more time on the tv and computer than with their pets. I don't even own any animals, yet I spend more time than that with pets.

So in that sense, realism, is different than cynicism.

I think that's why there must be a certain degree of narcissism in any individual who wishes to achieve a lot of success in life!

Narcissism is a thing. It's a word that describes what we do, such as appreciate things. Appreciation. Just another thing that humans are, appreciative. Narcissistic. You get the idea. Another attribute in MMORPG terms.

NPD becomes a disorder when the traits of narcissism dominate their world in ways which are unhealthy to them and others in significant ways. Hitler is an example of a successful Narcissist, however he wasn't always that way. It was his accomplishments in WWI as a trench runner which instilled a national sense of pride an invincibility into them. After the war, he was in and out of homeless shelters. His achievements made him feel entitled, and avoidant of realities, especially the welfare of large minority groups and entire other nations. He felt it was his sheer existence through the power of his nation which validated every conception he made. His own generals plotted to kill him, because they all felt he wa losing the war making delusional choices based on his sense of superiority.

Another great example... friends. We don't need friends. I have got along just fine the past couple years by having relationships with only my clients. The cultural idea that we must have friends is absolutely senseless. What are friends?

We don't need cars either. People have choice.

A narcissist might form alliances with people and feel a sense of completeness with the positive feedback or positive ego re-enforcement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

b. Self-direction: Goal-setting is based on gaining approval from others; personal standards are unreasonably high in order to see oneself as exceptional, or too low based on a sense of entitlement; often unaware of own motivations.

So, rejection from a client, or maybe clients may tear the ego apart. If one has invested all their time into clients only, but feels they are truly friends, it can rip the ego apart and destroy the individual and the pain is so great, they can resort to murder, but normally less severe yet destructive behaviors.

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/personality-disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder-rethinking-what-we-know

persons with NPD are likely to become depressed; as they age, the risk of suicide increases

 

Anyways, ambiguity rules. 

 

So yes, if you are certain you are not replacing the concept of friends with clients, you could be safer should you never run into a situation where you begin to lose clients. You may keep all the eggs out of one basket, or more importantly, you may make no psychopathic moves in ways which exact revenge, or make a situation destructive through projection, or superior facism, whatever. Where do you get your sense of worth Luna?

Your clients? Or your work? Does your work serve to make you feel personal worth, or are you serving another to gain their acceptance?

 

This is why I hate the NPD definition, because the mass majority of the population are exactly that. Serving others to achieve acceptance and worth. Probably why the definition exists in the first place, right? To catch everyone during their predictable crisis. Predictable in the sense, that people cannot control all environment variables, and are prone to hit big life changes.

 

Anyways, I've ran into two NPDs in my time. I have very simple rules with labeling them. Do they attack me, because I have offended their ego. When i say attack. Have I felt my life in physical risk and harms way. In both cases, yes, and police were called on one, and although it was a criminal offense against me and they could do years, I didn't do anything.

 

So, everyone is narsissitic, and some need a little help from the psychologist, and some are dangerous psychopaths, although, psychopath/sociopaths are something entirely different, whether the act of aggression is a subconscious reflex or a conscious one.

 

I know everyone likes to consciously identify themselves as a sociopath, and it's possible they are doing things in very negative and destructive ways on subconscious impulse, but I do not consider them sociopaths, unless they are subconsciously being destructive. Destructive not being subjective or based on opinion, but based on laws, and/or majority standards.

Everyone conscious about envy, revenge, or undermining tactics to gain acceptance in societal ranks are simply narcissists and they can function rather well, but not all are able to control every environment variable as Hitler attempted to do.

I could have that last definition mixed up, since sociopathy doesn't even really exist with any definition which is suitable to different them from NPDs. Maybe it is all sociopathic behavior until they become aware of actions they perform.

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You sound like a narcissist.....

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Must suck living at your moms basement and not being able to support yourself at that age.

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long time no see inq how are you?

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I also think I'm cynical because one must be cynical to truly understand human nature. We are taught about love, and all that, but I think Human nature is much more crude. We are all heroes of our own story. We all want to feel important, and expand our ego. We are nice to those who help us do that, and mean to those who do the opposite.

 Human nature is to survive no matter what the cost or costs may be.

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