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Hey gang!

I'm curious to better understand the mechanism of empathy in the mind of a Bipolar person. I've had Bipolar I my whole life (diagnosed at 17), and I was also tortured in school from pre-k through high school. I feel like many atypical minds are also tormented in school. Given that such negative programming early on might account for a muted amount of empathy, I still feel that my mind processes empathy different than neuro-typicals.

Some examples: I can watch the worst gore on the internet and not flinch. Other people's struggles and downfalls entertain me greatly. My only moral code is the one I have meticulously constructed, and it contains lots of eye-for-an-eye type mentality. And sometimes when I get wasted, I go destroy former employer's property and throw bricks through people's car windows- just for kicks.

BUT- the next day when I sober up, I always regret it and feel heavy amounts of remorse for my actions. I cry during movies, well, I cry all the time actually. Even dead leaves in the gutter (a symbol of faded youth) have been know to make me sob for hours. And I read and appropriately respond to peoples' emotions. I am very well liked and known for being an extremely nurturing and caring person. And I genuinely do love people... well, half the time anyway ; )

I've done honorable, selfless deeds. And I've also been people's worst nightmare. Sometimes by accident. Sometimes on purpose.

But anyway, here's what I wanna know from YOU to help me sort this all out:

1. What is your condition? (formal or informal diagnosis)

2. Any childhood traumas? (rape, bullying, death in the family, etc.)

3. How does your empathy level compare with the average person?

4. Do you have the ability to alter your empathy level at will?

5. Do you find that your empathy level is a bigger asset than not in life, or is it a greater hindrance than a help?

 

Looking forward to your answers! : )

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So writing 'Gia' on your breasts and putting the picture as your avatar is just, like normal behaviour for you? 

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I am not embarrassed by my posts here, no. I  don't say or doing anything outlandish. Now If I was sending titty pics and skping that would be bad. I won't do that. I have enough Impulse control. I haven't have sex in 2 years.

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When you're no longer manic, do you look back at what you did when you were (for example your posts here) and get embarrassed by it? Or are you beyond all sense of humiliation now?

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by neoninsanity

Hey gang!

I'm curious to better understand the mechanism of empathy in the mind of a Bipolar person. I've had Bipolar I my whole life (diagnosed at 17), and I was also tortured in school from pre-k through high school. I feel like many atypical minds are also tormented in school. Given that such negative programming early on might account for a muted amount of empathy, I still feel that my mind processes empathy different than neuro-typicals.

Some examples: I can watch the worst gore on the internet and not flinch. Other people's struggles and downfalls entertain me greatly. My only moral code is the one I have meticulously constructed, and it contains lots of eye-for-an-eye type mentality. And sometimes when I get wasted, I go destroy former employer's property and throw bricks through people's car windows- just for kicks.

BUT- the next day when I sober up, I always regret it and feel heavy amounts of remorse for my actions. I cry during movies, well, I cry all the time actually. Even dead leaves in the gutter (a symbol of faded youth) have been know to make me sob for hours. And I read and appropriately respond to peoples' emotions. I am very well liked and known for being an extremely nurturing and caring person. And I genuinely do love people... well, half the time anyway ; )

I've done honorable, selfless deeds. And I've also been people's worst nightmare. Sometimes by accident. Sometimes on purpose.

But anyway, here's what I wanna know from YOU to help me sort this all out:

1. What is your condition? (formal or informal diagnosis)

2. Any childhood traumas? (rape, bullying, death in the family, etc.)

3. How does your empathy level compare with the average person?

4. Do you have the ability to alter your empathy level at will?

5. Do you find that your empathy level is a bigger asset than not in life, or is it a greater hindrance than a help?

 

Looking forward to your answers! : )

 

People with bipolar have low empathy when manic or hypomanic, due to the shifts in neurotransmitters. Then when the body comes off that high, it's like they 'unfreeze' and empathy is higher than normal. Empathy does have to do with being healthy. If a person is starving or in a traumatic situation empathy levels fall off because the energy isn't there to process meaning. So when a person is depressed or manic empathy is impaired thusly. Why P's are impaired is this same concept but it is permanent as the body cuts off connections to the limbic center due to continued trauma. 

Usually people with bipolar need to learn that when they are up they often do messed up things they will regret later. 

 

 

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I love it when you bait me. :) 

Now, because I am a little "up", I make that statement and sound a bit conceited or grandiose. You may not be baiting me at all. It could just be my ego talking.

Btw, I think you are confusing empathy with apathy. They are 2 different things. 

When I am down and depressed, i don't care about anything.  Ie. I am APATHETIC.

When I am up. whatever impulses any normal person has, I have them X 10. So if a normal person is feeling nice and charitable, I on the other hand, go to an event and donate a lot of money. I am feeling very EMPATHETIC.

Normally, when on an even keel, I have a lot of empathy, charity and am nice. But also can be very sharp tongued  and cutting.

That is just who I am. It is my normal personality. All bipolars are not this way.

 

Just as everyone here says, not all sociopaths are cookie cutter. They also have their natural personalities. Just like bipolars or anyone else.

 

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Well, why are people so inclined to say there's no Bipolar comorbid with something else? Are you seriously categorizing Asperger's as a personality disorder, you son of a fucking bitch? 

1) Only for this thread, I will disclose: Asperger's Syndrome (not a disorder in my life), Schizoaffective (it is impairing in my life) and fuck you.

2) And you expect me to disclose them.

3) Since I'm throwing blind darts into the dark with this question, I guess I'd have to choose what seems better to idolize "average" and say "No, I don't have empathy like normal people do. I do not understand the concept and fuck you too." 

4) Basically.

5) If by empathy you mean a huge-ass moral code, then yes. It is a drawback when I want to play fair and square in competitions, as I help my bros because WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER ♪♫. If by empathy you mean pity (which is actually sympathy...) then no, because I don't really see when they are having a bad time and that makes my life easier. Because I don't give a fuck at the time and I can concentrate on myself.

Notes: I don't know how a "normal" bipolar's mind works, but my bipolar is mixed with extended periods of psychosis even after the mania is gone. You sound like a cake walk compared to most I have met, though. I haven't been tortured in school, I never understood that stupid shit in schools, I was a wallflower back then.

I feel for music and plants more than I feel for humans and animals. But that is because I appreciate the nature of beauty... so it's not empathy. I do selfless deeds to get them away from me, not to gain anything in return.

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Lacking empathy and doing poorly in school isn't necessarily always associated with Bipolar. It depends on how severe the condition.

Personally, I've never felt affective empathy. When manic, that cognitive empathy doesn't work as much either, though that's because my reason and judgement is off. I've donated large sums of money I wouldn't have when like that.

To answer all of your questions, the answer would be a universal no. At least until you let us know what ASPD has to do with Bipolar? And what Bipolar has to do with Aspergers? And what ASPD has to do with Asperger's?

Also, while the point about Asperger's was covered. What does Bipolar have to do with the personality disorders? It's Axis I.

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I think it is not often comorbid with anything other than borderline. That is just the moody part.

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