Sociopath Community

That wasn't so hard, was it?

(You may have guessed wrong)

But no, that's not what you were digging for, because your questions weren't related.

Even if some sort of confirmation ends up happening, that's not what I'm looking for. I just want more information and insight into the way you(?) work.

As for an answer telling me something, how about just letting me be the judge of that? So far, I don't think socios tell others apart based on observing their behaviour, but it's got to be based on something, right? The look in someone's eyes, or their expression or lack thereof?

How would you describe it?

>> I imagine if he were a sociopath and we are really nothing more than
algebraic empty skulls, who fill our own personalities with others, then
he'd be one of the more sophisticated of any sociopath in existence.

I'm not at all familiar with him or his work (beyond a couple of "evergreen" hits), but you could be right, of course.

Yeah, he's aged well.

>> I'd say the forced smile is almost of genuine happiness, however,
learned with a tinge of spite, as a learned expression that
subconsiously becomes a pattern.

Yep, the smile looks not-quite-genuine. Spite, though?

>> Sort of along the lines, of, "oh yeah, well I'll bite you back, you just wait and see".

Huh? :p

"That wasn't so hard, was it?"
It somewhat was. I prefer people to come to conclusions themselves, if not more interestingly coming to ones I didn't figure in advance. By asking questions you can come to your own conclusions instead of just read what I think, as that doesn't really say much on it's own.

"But no, that's not what you were digging for, because your questions weren't related."
Your answers were likely to steer towards that area after more and more questioning of why you see anyone here as a valid resource, if not another more fun direction where I might actually learn something. We really don't know any more than you do beyond theories at best, and sociopaths don't have some special super powered senses that let them recognize each other any more than any other disorder can recognize their own.

"I just want more information and insight into the way you(?) work."
If you look hard enough, you'll start to see the majority here don't fit the label. The forum is sociopathic, not it's users.

"So far, I don't think socios tell others apart based on observing their behaviour, but it's got to be based on something, right?"
They're still people you know.

"The look in someone's eyes, or their expression or lack thereof?"
Anyone can point those sorts of things out, not just sociopaths. They're really nothing special beyond the target of media hype.

>> By asking questions you can come to your own conclusions instead of just
read what I think, as that doesn't really say much on it's own. 

You say that like I couldn't possibly ask follow-up questions based on your answers to my earlier ones. You know, kind of like having a conversation. If I bring up X, and you pose a question with no apparent relation to X whatsoever, are we having a conversation or just talking past each other? If your goal is to have a conversation, you should probably act like it.

>> why you see anyone here as a valid resource

Maybe I figured that a forum called "sociopath community" might have some sociopaths on it. As far as I can tell, there are at least two here, posting actively.

>> another more fun direction where I might actually learn something

Learn something? Have you got an idea of what you could possibly learn from or about me? If you do, you should probably ask about something related. If not, then I'm not sure what kind of learning you'd expect to happen.

>> If you look hard enough, you'll start to see the majority here don't fit the label. The forum is sociopathic, not it's users. 

There are some posting here though, aren't there? That's enough for me.

>> They're still people you know. 

What do you mean to say?

>> Anyone can point those sorts of things out, not just sociopaths.

Point out? That's not what I'm talking about.

>> They're really nothing special beyond the target of media hype.

They're very, very different, problematic, and dangerous. There should be more awareness and talk about them, but there isn't. Perhaps not coincidentally, our rulers are sociopaths.

Well, I talked about "them", instead of "you". Not that it matters, but I think you're likely one.

hi. i don't generally spot sociopaths, but i do spot bullshit. so i have a couple tips for you. if you're going to pretend to be new, be consistent with your inability to use the quote function, makes it more believable. also, if you're going for the whole aspie look, drop the attitude. be more awkward, try to make lame jokes etc

>> Do you feel like you're a big red target for socios? Why do you want to know?

Anyone is a big red target for socios, right? Obviously, anyone would want to be able to spot them somehow, so that they could be avoided.

>> I'm a "uber empath", for me it's easier to feel other people's emotions
and to detect subtle changes in facial expressions and behaviors, which
might be harder for you being an Aspie

Yeah, it certainly is harder for Aspies in general, and I feel like we have a natural tendency to not really "take in" people's faces. It's like we're just not paying attention. Of course, we'd often be uncomfortable with eye contact anyway, which might be related.Eye contact can be practised though.

But afaik, I am quite empathetic for an Aspie. For example, if a movie is really romantic or a song is really beautiful, it's more than likely that I'll be moved to tears.

Recently, I tried to practice "reading" people's faces. A couple of them looked "cold" or "dark" and one even looked downright hostile! I figured they might be socios, but who knows. Maybe they were just having a bad day. Another angle I've thought of is whether I can see some kind of emotions on someone's face, like their mood or something. Maybe there's no discernible mood on a socio's face, at least not when he's not imitating one.

But David Bowie? When you say he "portrays" the traits, I hope you weren't referring to the things he was saying about "collecting personalities" or whatever. Sure, that sounds like something a socio might experience/do, but that's not what I meant.

He's a high society artist, right? I mean he sings about, um, Andy Wharhol, and he knew them right? I imagine if he were a sociopath and we are really nothing more than algebraic empty skulls, who fill our own personalities with others, then he'd be one of the more sophisticated of any sociopath in existence.

Tough to analye, but he's fifty in that picture. Which blows me away, but anyways, he seems to avoided or erased many signs of "wear and tear".

I'd say the forced smile is almost of genuine happiness, however, learned with a tinge of spite, as a learned expression that subconsiously becomes a pattern.

Sort of along the lines, of, "oh yeah, well I'll bite you back, you just wait and see".

>> i don't generally spot sociopaths

Well, are you a socio and telling me you can't spot others like you?

>> so i have a couple tips for you. if you're going to pretend to be new,
be consistent with your inability to use the quote function, makes it
more believable

Heh. You don't think I might have just decided to go with this style, after experimenting with the quote feature a couple of times? That's what happened, by the way. Oh, and your Bullshit-O-Meter could use some tuning.

>> if you're going for the whole aspie look, drop the attitude. be more awkward, try to make lame jokes etc

I can't tell if you're just trolling me. But whatever. I don't have to "go for the Aspie look", because I am one. We're not some silly lame-joke-automatons, and there's no reason why I'd be "awkward" now, whatever that might mean to you in this context.

I'm not sure what you mean with the attitude though.

>> Not a fan of being questioned? It's a part of the territory with making a
topic. If you don't like it the ability to ignore the question remains.
I'm fine with being questioned, but not with being toyed with, which is what I assumed you were doing. I generally try to address people's points, because to avoid doing that is lame.

>> Which two? 

It seems like "MrDelta" is one. Another I can't remember right now, and you might be a third (or the second).

>> Just because you can't see the connection doesn't mean it isn't there~

Neither does you implying it's there.

>> They don't have special powers or some sort of special detection ability, at least no more than anyone else is capable of. 

Well, that's just not what I've read online, several times. Also from that source I linked to. Maybe you're right, or maybe you're just messing with me. I can't know. Either way, I'm just hoping for some "data points" with which to adjust my views on things. I'll take yours into consideration too.

>> You are talking about looking for signs and symptoms that can reveal if
someone is a sociopath while figuring a sociopath would be more likely
to recognize people like themselves. If sociopaths are prone to masking their own behaviors withing a large range of variation, how would they be any better at spotting each other than anyone else? 

I don't mean behaviour that could be observed over a longer time period.

I'm asking for a sociopath to describe how he "senses" others like him, based on the assumption that they do, of course, in case that would give me some insight as to how I might be able to spot them myself.

Here's the quote again:

Essential psychopaths possess an ability to recognize each other in a
crowd. They are conscious of being different and view normal people as
‘other’.

http://www.ponerology.com/psychopaths_3.html

>> Everyone's problematic and dangerous. 

Nope. At the very least, not like sociopaths.

>> I'm not.

Alright, let's say that's true :p

>> if i'm just trolling then so are you. pretending to be an aspie but
coming off like an arrogant bastard. i only want to help you, you asked
for help, yes?

That sure looks like trolling though, and you didn't answer my question. Is it alright to ignore you now?