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It already took off in a general direction, but i think we might want to look at the particular case which prompted this thread, as that’s far from general.

This particular hysteria yesterday broke out over a  surname  and a  province  typed in the same paragraph. As in “Joe” from “Utah”. (to make it even better, the surname wasn’t even a name-y name but just some common noun - one of those hippy names like river, storm, jug etc., - meaning ’soil’.) Both (surname and province) were previously voluntarily shared by the complaining party.

Citing “TK’s outing” as a precedent (and demanding the same action to be taken) is like comparing watermelons to satsumas.
Especially that the complaining person posted another member’s town just a few posts down the line in the same thread.

My part in the ensuing idiocy was pointing out that other members’ full details were already posted by the complaining party’s alts, without removal - that’s what resulted in the deletion of full threads, as neither I nor TC knew that editing out the first post will make the whole thread disappear.

I think it’s highly unfair to TC to take the flame for it all - or even to be burdened with trying to establish common ground where the “line” lies in the haystack. I’d say delegate that workload to the site owner, sorting out legal liabilities (if any) & all that.

I think it is just dandy to have a "post-at-your-own-risk" legal disclaimer and nothing else. Re: your point about principles.... Granted. But still, this is a business project, as far as Luna's concerned. I'm using language she should be able to understand.

And you call me a paranoid puppet hunter.

When have I ever not admitted it when you called out my sock?

For the 50th time wooster, listerine fresh was not my puppet. I'm sure luna could check IPs to confirm that. Oh, and... whoever my defender was, s/he posted the wahoo thread AFTER wahoo posted the first deleted Xena thread.

Again, you make the mistake of insinuating emotion where the the intent was calculated. I didn't start to get emotional until I'd wasted 8 hours of my day answering PMs from people and then got told to "go back to PF" by somebody who mistook my post for your post and your 3 socks for several people from PF.

It was all good after I sorted it out with him.

The purpose was 1) to get you and the other PF trolls to stfu about me in my absence and 2) to get some solid direction about wtf is going on with this free-for-all mod situation.

Not fair to turncoat? He signed up for the janitor job. He works for the forum and we don't even know wtf his job description is.

Somebody needs to define that position and what it entails; whether that somebody is luna, tc, a vote on each clause among the forum members to determine a collective agreement, or a contract written up by an outside legal agent that tc and luna both agree to.

So much for getting you to stfu an hour after I log off.

I hope the other forum members are not egocentric enough to stand in the way of the second goal. TC has expressed that he doesn't want to make shit up as he goes along, either. 

I didn't start to get emotional until I'd wasted 8 hours of my day answering PMs

LOL.

1. NOBODY holds you at gun-point to sacrifice your free time answering to PMs. Hope you get paid for it at least.

2.  Aren't you taking random anonym internet fora a tad too pathologically seriously? Like job descriptions, collective agreements, outside legal agents, yadda yadda?   Ya know "real life / fantasy / blurred / delusion / unhingement" and all that rap. Get that checked out before too late. (And maybe a check-up on lupus, as you have a family history of that. I heard it rots the brain.)

So much for getting you to stfu an hour after I log off.

You really think people's posting habits revolve around your logging-off times? 

to get you and the other PF trolls to stfu about me in my absence

You don't come up much as a conversational topic in your absence. I know that hurts, but that's how it is.

First of all I really want to congratulate you Turncoat for how you handled this. I find myself 100% in agreement with what you said and how you see this place, and what you want from it. So yeah, I gained a lot of trust in your judgement because it seems to be very much alligned with my own.

by MMP

i guess u never saw this place in ukans time what we got here is pretty tame in comparison

dont know if the fucker got bored or banned but at least he knew how to keep things interesting

some body posting a thousand pics of their dic in a row wuld not have been "spam" it wuld have been just another days craziness and the roasting too was pretty fucking amplified compared to the zoo we have now

back then i used to think this as a sort of mental fight club with no rules

it still is a little bit but its gotten tamer trust me we dont need no rules here

 

 MMP wants the same too. I remember arriving to the old nabble forum when the "mental fight club with no rules" was in full action, and I had the chance to be through it all. It was awesome, and no wonder those of us who know those times want smth similar.

by limey

Okay. I will start with some ideas. 



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by Luna Prey

due to my lack of legal knowledge, idk.....

id like to make it like just a few short sentences if i can to clear my of liability. but ya, i dont want anything to come back to bite me :P

id say dont post any rules.

Yeah, listing rules would be a terrible idea. Why would we want to write down a list of rules which we will obviously break, and make ourselves vulnerable for no reason?

by limey

There's just no point talking bout things that have no hope of changing... I see what you were trying to say, but until today the fact was Luna made the decision on what wasn't allowed to go on here. Yes I agree with transparency within a system like that, but you can't expect the peasants to decide the rules they don't want in the first place. 

Think about it logically (you're good at that). It people want no moderation, and a ruler wants full moderation (and has the power to do whatever it wants), what is the best thing that can happen? 

Answer: The moderation reduces up to the point that the ruler is willing to accept. 

Hence talking about it is pointless (unless like what happened, it causes a decision change by the ruler). You as Luna's henchman could have written some regulations to express the minimal amount of moderation Luna would accept, and saved everyone some time. 

 

 

Again, I'm arguing semantics here, since Luna is now allowing things to move forward (or backwards depending how you look at it). 

What is this, you talking about rulers? This place has no ruler and no henchmen. Luna provides a service to us, she isn't our master. Why are you so eager to consider yourself a subject, when all you do is use a site?

Secondly, I don't agree with rolling over and accepting that "things have no chance of changing", saying how "pointless it is to talk about them". Socio thought WW's muting would have no consequences, it had. You were convinced Luna would stick to her ethics of doxing, you were wrong. Fighting spirit is more productive than a fatalist view of things.

by AerynFrellMe

What if some creeper who is a member of this forum stalks random women on facebook and creates accounts here with their photos and fb info? And what if said random woman/women complain to outside authorities about this forum?

Your disclaimers wouldn't apply to them bc they never agreed to use the site, right?

 Yeah, this should also be covered in the TOS. Puppets with friends and family of posters tend to show up around here

by Turncoat

The difference is that, if not for a "no rules" approach, "dealing with things as they come" is the best way to avoid additional rules. Attempting to pre-empt what could harm the place both informs people how to and makes for rules that might not be needed in the first place.

With a "no rules" approach however, one that's purely about avoiding liability, it can be much nicer. Prior to this topic I thought this place wouldn't go that direction, instead spiraling downward as more and more rules were forced onto the place. ToS when "no rules" isn't the case would have risked pushing in that direction.

Also, this website isn't a business, it's not about efficiency, it's about principles.

 Agree yet again Turncoat. No rules better than "dealing with things as they come to avoid unnecessary rules", better than "let's think of every possible situation and invent tons of rules and clauses that will only hurt our brains and incite people to find ways around them anyway".

Proxies can make you appear to be from anywhere. All we'd see is that the account was done under a different IP, not that it wasn't you.

lol. With my computer skills? Plz. I've never used those things.

The people on that other forum told me there are ways to detect proxies and so on anyway. With all the mad hackers on this site, I find it hard to believe that luna or slimey or somebody wouldn't be able to figure it out if listerine thing used one of those.

"Perhaps this could be posted in one sticky thread at the top"
I don't think the forum software supports that sort of function yet.

"And also explaining how to use private chat would be good"
More than this?

Why do you brush your hair and smile politely at strangers when you get on a bus and visit a place you've never been? Who's going to remember you anyway? They don't know you.

Because you never know who's watching. 51 anons and a bunch of people who could be anybody. 3x that many were a regular part of PF.

You folks haven't figured out how to post things that would get out to places where I may be recognized with all this slander attached to my person. But a much more recognizable piece of me has been posted in the past. Much more recognizable than 2 halves of my face obscured by careful posing and lighting. And no I'm not giving the trolls what they want by telling you what it is :P Other random people have recognized me bc of it.

The odds are slim, but it has happened before. It's really unnerving when some cabbie says "hey... aren't you..." I never would have thunk. I mean total serendipity on the part of those random strangers.

"listerine thing is not my sock. luna may do an IP check to verify."

That wouldn't technically tell us much.