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That's not what you said 10 years ago...it's in the black and white.

Inappropriate or constricted affect (the individual appears cold and aloof);

Behavior or appearance that is odd, eccentric or peculiar;
Poor rapport with others and a tendency to withdraw socially;
Odd beliefs or magical thinking, influencing behavior and inconsistent with subcultural norms;
Suspiciousness or paranoid ideas;
Obsessive ruminations without inner resistance, often with dysmorphophobic, sexual or aggressive contents;
Unusual perceptual experiences including somatosensory (bodily) or other illusions, depersonalization or derealization;
Vague, circumstantial, metaphorical, over-elaborate or stereotyped thinking, manifested by odd speech or in other ways, without gross incoherence;
Occasional transient quasi-psychotic episodes with intense illusions, auditory or other hallucinations and delusion-like ideas, usually occurring without external provocation.

by SensitiveSoul

 

But not to go OT too much... a sociopath/psychopath is someone with immature emotion, who reacts like a baby where there is no happy but only pleasure, and no sad and upset, just a mixture of negative angryish emotion.

hey-

this is the 1st intelligent&insightful post ive stumbled into ever since ukan quit here

there is a time for most babies life when they realize they r part of the world develop attachment

for a few babies this never happens

by Pink01

That's not what you said 10 years ago...it's in the black and white.

Where is the evidence that I supposedly said that 10 years ago?

If I ever mentioned schizotypal in relation to myself for some unknown reason (I really do not recall ever having done so), then I can assure you it was meant to be schizoid.

Inappropriate or constricted affect (the individual appears cold and aloof);

Behavior or appearance that is odd, eccentric or peculiar;
Poor rapport with others and a tendency to withdraw socially;
Odd beliefs or magical thinking, influencing behavior and inconsistent with subcultural norms;
Suspiciousness or paranoid ideas;
Obsessive ruminations without inner resistance, often with dysmorphophobic, sexual or aggressive contents;
Unusual perceptual experiences including somatosensory (bodily) or other illusions, depersonalization or derealization;
Vague, circumstantial, metaphorical, over-elaborate or stereotyped thinking, manifested by odd speech or in other ways, without gross incoherence;
Occasional transient quasi-psychotic episodes with intense illusions, auditory or other hallucinations and delusion-like ideas, usually occurring without external provocation.

The only trait I have of that disorder (the one trait I didn't cross out, or two if being cold and aloof is a trait as well) is suspiciousness and paranoid ideas.

I'm not paranoid at all at the moment, but I have experienced micro-psychotic episodes in the past.

"Or maybe like the serial killer, you would also deem me a psychopathic monster based on the fact that I too get pleasure from these homocidal desires? After all, I have traits from several different personality disorders... Antisocial, Schizotypal and Schizoid being the main three. And yes, I have been diagnosed by a professional."

http://stevie-nicks.blogspot.com/2005/08/re-serial-crimes-re-btk-ki_112501231692253465.html

Wow, I said all kinds of bullshit in that post, lol.

Which is bullshit. What you said then or what you said now?

A schizotypal might desire to be AsPD

"Schizoids know the difference between fantasy and reality."
Lol, I see. I mixed up Schizotypal and Schizoid there. Whoopsy~

Such a dumb mistake to make, I must be tired.

"Why would a schizoid, who already has shallow affect, desire to be AsPD? AsPD is basically a self-destructive personality disorder."
One that people believe exhibits strength despite the evidence of the contrary.

by Turncoat

I'd argue your views here might be closer to Schizoid: "When the individual's personal space is violated, they feel suffocated and feel the need to free themselves and be independent. People who have SPD tend to be happiest when they are in a relationship in which the partner places few emotional or intimate demands on them. It is not people as such that they want to avoid, but emotions both negative and positive, emotional intimacy, and self disclosure.[7]" You talk about preferring a slave over a person don't you?

This is so true...relationships often make me feel suffocated. I need my space. i'd add physical intimacy though as well.

by Turncoat

The presence of those traits doesn't negate the other possibilities, but lets look over each one:

- Marked readiness to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.
This could fit Schizoid related to the whole fantasy world bit, couldn't it? If they honestly believe their fantasies.

No, because schizoids know the difference between fantasy and reality. There is nothing that indicates schizoids are delusional in any way.

- impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
That could be present without a disorder being labeled. By my comparative view this tends to be the majority of people, but all that does is reflect my own bias.

Impulsivity can certainly be present without a disorder, but in the case of sociopathy, I believe it relates to the desire for instant gratification and the lack of concern or, in some cases, failure to consider the possible consequences. At least, that's why I know I'm impulsive anyway.

- Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or for sheer personal pleasure
The fantasy world factor could inflate the belief of one's charm/wit, and if it's for pleasure it's enabling itself. If the fantasy is believed strongly enough, how would the subject even know it's not really the case?

While I have my doubts that someone in the schizoid spectrum would be as likely to do this successfully (if at all), that doesn't stop them from believing that they are.

There is a difference between believing you can do something in fantasyland, which is obviously not real, and actually having succeeded at doing it in reality. The difference clearly lies in the action.

- Intense egocentrism, sense of superiority and exhibitionism
If not another fantasy result, couldn't it be a form of escapism? I've seen people who otherwise were total Debbie Downers or PTSD victims snap and become those traits. This is even in some individuals a manifestation of depression.

It can relate to fantasy if someone is having fantasies of being some kind of important or powerful figure. That's more of a narcissistic thing though than a schizoid thing I believe. Of course, that's not to say the schizoid couldn't have the particular narcissistic trait: preoccupied with thoughts and fantasies of great success, enormous attractiveness, power, intelligence.

It could be a form of escapism for some, but that would depend on the individual and their situation. If they don't have PTSD or depression, then they have no need to use escapism.

I believe that egocentricity also relates to how one views others in relation to their own self-importance. I see other people as objects that are either useful or not useful. In my mind, I am the most important person in the world because I value my life above all others.

- Hostility, significant irritability, agitation, impulsiveness, aggression or violence
Comorbidity's the closest guess I'd have, if not just being aberrant enough traits when compared to disorders as we know it to throw a spanner into the works. Could be more fantasy fuel, but really, I suppose most things could be hand waved as that, which is what makes it so difficult to pin down.

How could being impulsive and violent, and expressing aggression be "fantasy fuel" when it's something that happens in reality?

Are you saying it could be caused by fantasies?

In my opinion, it's the aggression that fuels the fantasy (homicidal fantasies for example), which can then lead to violent, impulsive action.

- Unnecessary risk-taking or dangerous behaviors
Fantasy.

It wouldn't count as a character trait if it was just fantasy. It has to be done in reality for it to count.

- Need for stimulation / Proneness to Boredom
How is Schizoid usually in the case of boredom and stimulation?

I don't know. I know I experience boredom often and that's because I lack stimulation. I feel this constant craving for excitement.

Schizoid PD could explain that with the reduced emotional affect. Having reduced emotional affect means I don't experience emotion very often (aside from boredom). I am constantly craving stimulation and excitement because I don't feel it very often and when I do, it's fleeting. It never lasts long.

- Pathological lying
It's hard for me to take this trait seriously, and in your case I'm not sure if I'd call it "Pathological".

"A pathological liar is someone who lies to get his way. They are manipulative, crafty, and usually have a goal in mind when they lie. They have no concern for the feelings of others, even of those people who are close to them."

I usually only lie if it benefits me in some way, and I'm always aware of the lies I tell.

I lie -

- to save my own ass.

- to avoid doing something I don't want to do.

- to avoid conflict when I can't be bothered dealing with it.

- to manipulate people.

- to attain something that couldn't be attained without lying.

- to avoid having to share something (money etc.)

- to pretend to be someone I'm not in order to deceive another person.

- to feign emotion in order to blend in.

- to avoid conversation.

- to get out of a conversation with someone when I'm sick of talking to them.

- to avoid hurting my daughter's feelings, so I don't have to listen to her whine about it.

- to hide the truth (about myself or something else I don't want anyone to know about).

- for personal amusement.

- just to get a reaction.

And sometimes I'll tell someone I'm going to do something knowing full well that I had no intentions of doing it.

- Poor behavioral controls
Hm...

This trait relates to aggression, anger issues and Low frustration tolerance. I can relate to all those, unfortunately. They can be very frustrating to deal with at times.

- Sexual promiscuity
I'd argue your views here might be closer to Schizoid: "When the individual's personal space is violated, they feel suffocated and feel the need to free themselves and be independent. People who have SPD tend to be happiest when they are in a relationship in which the partner places few emotional or intimate demands on them. It is not people as such that they want to avoid, but emotions both negative and positive, emotional intimacy, and self disclosure.[7]"

I'm not sure how that relates to sexual promiscuity. You're talking about a relationship - "when they are in a relationship". Having sex with your partner, regardless of the lack of emotional connection, does not mean you are sexually promiscuous. Also, if you look at one of the traits of schizoid PD: Little interest in having sexual experiences with another person, it's pretty clear that sexual promiscuity is not something that most schizoids participate in. Of course, that's not to say none do.

To me, sexual promiscuity relates to having casual sex with people you're not in a committed relationship with. I've had numerous one night stands with guys who were pretty much strangers to me and some who I knew were married or engaged to be married. There was also one who I worked with. We'd have sex at work when the boss wasn't around.