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Oh, I see. You're one of those weird Top-subs, huh? I understand your kind, in an intellectual sort of way, but it feels contradictory for a sub to take control. What is the point in pretending to be submissive when you can't actually do it? You're a masochist, ok, I get it- so why not just order someone to beat you instead of faffing about with the pretense of being dominated?
Or is it the fight itself a component of the enjoyment? Because I could understand that, actually.

Trust me, I am not easy to dominate. What you describe is the sort of situation in which I would find myself if I settled for an inferior Dom.- I would be rebellious and constantly testing him to prove his worthiness, which he could never do. 
I am genuinely submissive- but it takes a real dominant to do it. I don't submit to some unworthy, undeserving thing. I have to respect a Dom to submit to him, which means he has to prove it just as much, I reckon, as your Dom does. Trust me, there is nothing weak about submitting, it is just a different kind of strength.

Most true-submissives (I say "true submissive" because this is a distinct term, not as a way of invalidating other types of subs) are VERY strong people, and we need someone even STRONGER to dominate us.

by Turncoat

What has you confused about yourself?

 From what I can tell, it seems to be a consequence of my childhood, I learned how to be human wrong, lol.

My parents were random- I never knew what was coming, whether it would be "normality", anger, sadness, neglect, abuse- so I learned to adapt to try and anticipate their mood and adapt my behavior to try and minimize the damage.

From that, as an adult I can now read people EXTREMELY well, including picking up on micro-expressions and such. I have an ability to know how people are feeling before or more precisely than they do.
I also know how to read what they want, and to become that. I am constantly studying people, mimicking them, actually practicing when I am alone.

The side-effect of this is that I never developed a core personality of my own. "Me" changes based on what is most advantageous for a given situation. From the low-consequence, near-total-anonymity of the internet I have learned that at my core, I have a high opinion of myself, low opinion of others, a high respect for animal/natural/real/instinctive things over human/moral/made up (ie: I would respect cannibalism-for-survival more than altruism-for-popularity), a disdain for stupidity- esp. willful,
...and that's about it. The rest is farce, or unimportant/transient and only trotted out for the purpose of the situation.

Because telling them what to do takes away from it. I'm only a top at best in the sense of being a mentor. Once they become strong enough on their own I don't have to do a thing except resist. From my experiences, being easy just makes them try less.


"Or is it the fight itself a component of the enjoyment? Because I could understand that, actually."
It's closer to forcing them to raise the bar.


"Trust me, I am not easy to dominate. What you describe is the sort of situation in which I would find myself if I settled for an inferior Dom.- I would be rebellious and constantly testing him to prove his worthiness, which he could never do."
Many doms expect them to come as pre-broken slaves, insisting that they need someone else to "train" them into proper "subjects". It's shameful if you ask me to expect that instead of earn it.

What qualifies as "inferior" to you? What fits your needs?


"Trust me, there is nothing weak about submitting, it is just a different kind of strength."
Exactly, but giving in immediately makes it too comfortable. The harder they are made to try, the better the expression and the stronger the lust. Giving in immediately is where it's a shame, as even the best dom likely could be pressed to be that much stronger.


"Most true-submissives are VERY strong people, and we need someone even STRONGER to dominate us."
It really depends what you're going with as your criteria for "true". I've seen slave subs that are barely human beings anymore, dissociated and broken until there's little free will left from the lives they knew, a byproduct of the time (and sometimes abuse) before the relationship. This is where it strikes me as unhealthy, at least when compared to a sub that has their wits about them.

When you're by yourself, who are you and what do you think about?

I can see where you find pushing or testing a Dom fun and interesting. Especially if it a mental game as well. The push and pull of it. Having to prove the deserve your trust and free space. That is a gift of sorts but it shouldn't go to just anyone so the dominance isn't the only factor or drive? The broken slave is the degradation I was pointing to earlier which seems very lowly and phycologically weak and passive. I don't believe you need to disappear to be sub, do you?

by Turncoat

Because telling them what to do takes away from it. I'm only a top at best in the sense of being a mentor. Once they become strong enough on their own I don't have to do a thing except resist. From my experiences, being easy just makes them try less.


"Or is it the fight itself a component of the enjoyment? Because I could understand that, actually."
It's closer to forcing them to raise the bar.


"Trust me, I am not easy to dominate. What you describe is the sort of situation in which I would find myself if I settled for an inferior Dom.- I would be rebellious and constantly testing him to prove his worthiness, which he could never do."
Many doms expect them to come as pre-broken slaves, insisting that they need someone else to "train" them into proper "subjects". It's shameful if you ask me to expect that instead of earn it.

What qualifies as "inferior" to you? What fits your needs?


"Trust me, there is nothing weak about submitting, it is just a different kind of strength."
Exactly, but giving in immediately makes it too comfortable. The harder they are made to try, the better the expression and the stronger the lust. Giving in immediately is where it's a shame, as even the best dom likely could be pressed to be that much stronger.


"Most true-submissives are VERY strong people, and we need someone even STRONGER to dominate us."
It really depends what you're going with as your criteria for "true". I've seen slave subs that are barely human beings anymore, dissociated and broken until there's little free will left from the lives they knew, a byproduct of the time (and sometimes abuse) before the relationship. This is where it strikes me as unhealthy, at least when compared to a sub that has their wits about them.

"I don't believe you need to disappear to be sub, do you?"

What do you mean by that?


"so the dominance isn't the only factor or drive?"

Dominance means little if it's just the expression of it alone. The person needs to be able to express it confidently and powerfully.

The power exchange is what makes or gives the feeling of vulnerability. The power exuded by the Dom, along with other things like confidence, intelligence, aggression to some degree is what makes them seem masterful. As you said before though, often times they have to be rebuilt or trained. As a sub, you wouldn't just disappear. Shrink into yourself and go into a passive head space. You just become an object at that point, not a player. An active one. That's why I asked about being "used." And who for. Ultimately, it has to be consensual and trust is the gift. The "bratty", is just game play. 

by Turncoat

"I don't believe you need to disappear to be sub, do you?"

What do you mean by that?


"so the dominance isn't the only factor or drive?"

Dominance means little if it's just the expression of it alone. The person needs to be able to express it confidently and powerfully.

To tenderly make love under the moonlight, in a riverbank filled with tulips. During Autumn.

No need for a fucking manifesto you pig.

You're an interesting little doggy you know that. Tell me do you ever think you will become a normal person, do you even want that to happpen?