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How much the author and the OP line up with what my life has been like is the most eerie thing I've ever experienced. I can feel things as the OP stated, but I can also choose when and what to feel. I can be having a completely "awful" day and be completely frustrated. The moment I consciously and linguistically describe my state of mind, I can simply stop being frustrated and go on about my day as "happy" as I can be.

I once had a stomach ache that lasted for days (The more I tried to linguistically describe it, the more I started to think it was hallucinated.). The last day, I was in the middle of math class. I decided I didn't want to feel sick anymore. I'd had enough. I cracked a grin, obtained an almost destructive amount of confidence, and felt amazing the rest of the day.

I can be "empathic" in the sense that I understand others' feelings, and possibly feel them, close to what they do. But I can choose whether to care. Sometimes I like other people. But sometimes, I couldn't care less if all of them died. Almost like a complex, broken biological system, like an infected or compromised part of the body, I feel the need to destroy that which is broken. I get this feeling of being unnatural, like my body is trying to attack my consciousness with death-filled thoughts. But, out of spite, I react with the motivation to live. I will live as long as I can, out of hatred for that piece of me that wants me dead.

I think along rationalization, and disregard moral indoctrination. I do things because I find a linguistically intrinsic motivation to do things, not because I think they are right. I see that as a gift of clarity and sincerity, not evil.

The idea of others having control over me disgusts me on a fundamental level, and I have an absurd obsession with power. But it's not blatant, outright power I seek. It's ultimate power, I seek. One that is invisible to all others. I've found this in a certain branch of solipsism, which includes a basis of power equating to responsibility. This came from my study into teachings by people like Robert Anton Wilson, Alfred Korzybski, and Aleister Crowley. This research gave me a method of describing my condition as a person: Language and Semantics. This gives me an in-depth understanding of peoples' feelings, even if I don't find it in me to feel them myself.

I was tortured in school by the people around me because of my awkward tendencies and impulsive personality. But I was never hurt by it. I could find a way to treat those who hurt me with respect, even though, sometimes, I wanted to kill them in blood-lusted hatred. People have always considered me nice, because I appeared to be someone who didn't judge, in that I would not discriminate in who I talked to. But I did judge, to survive. I noticed that people avoided other people, but I didn't understand why, so I didn't conform. I never understood that need to alienate, when ANYONE could be of use to me, in some way.

After going through that torture, I had a predisposition for indifference for people. I would have preferred that they be dead, as it would make my life easier. I was indifferent when it came to their existence. But this was countered by the rationalization of human significance by Robert Anton Wilson and Aleister Crowley. For awhile I could almost be considered a "moral" person. But now I've started rationalizing the animalistic human tendencies and conditions. Now I'm indifferent for the most part, but now I've got a knack for self-control that is unparalleled. I can show the utmost affection and love for someone, while mentally having the inclination to leave them to whatever weak, emotional predisposition that enslaves them.

I was recently faced with a relationship possibility. I played the nice guy, not being sexually forward in the slightest (Unlike most sociopaths, I have little to no motivation for sexual activity in any way. I may masturbate out of being predisposed to it and the small sense of pleasure I get from it, but it is meaningless. In gaining the self-control I have, I am able to feel excessive amounts of pleasure at any time out of pure will, without sexual activity). I consciously took the other's feelings into account (I did not feel them, I understood them) simply so that I could attempt to keep things going the way they were. I chose to care about the other's feelings, but if she had died one day, I'd have felt nothing. The only people I may choose to mourn over are close family members.

The longer all this goes on, the less and less I am inclined to care about the human condition itself. I'm more inclined now, to let people take responsibility for their own feelings and predisposed slavery. Unless, of course, it helps me in some way, or I see an intrinsic motivation to do something for another person.

I will be polite and successful only because it gets me closer to transcendence in some ways. But other than that, unless I find a motivation or way to bring other people up with me, I will live in total disconnect (or temporary connection) alone. And on this fact, I am indifferent. Am I home?

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Honestly, I find it disgusting that we get called such a "negative" name as sociopathic, or psychopathic. I see and understand human tendencies clearly, and so I'm a monster? 

They called us psychopaths... The nerve...

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by TheLeviathan

Honestly, I find it disgusting that we get called such a "negative" name as sociopathic, or psychopathic. I see and understand human tendencies clearly, and so I'm a monster? 

They called us psychopaths... The nerve...

 

You described yourself to have the ability to get over frustrations and go about your day, "as happy as can be."

Why worry about a label ?

 

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by Spatial Mind

 

by TheLeviathan

Honestly, I find it disgusting that we get called such a "negative" name as sociopathic, or psychopathic. I see and understand human tendencies clearly, and so I'm a monster? 

They called us psychopaths... The nerve...

 

You described yourself to have the ability to get over frustrations and go about your day, "as happy as can be."

Why worry about a label ?

 

 In my attempt at rationalizing the human tendency to label something they don't understand with prejudice, I have only come across the idea that they are primitive to the point of being "disgusting." I would also describe the way an ape uses sex, only for procreation and only does so on instinct, to be disgusting as well.

The idea that we have the ability to construct ideas in our heads to base our lives off of, and they choose primitive instinct, makes them appear useless, at times.

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But I also see an almost God-like potential in all humans. They are creating the reality around them, but they use morality, indoctrination, and deception to displace responsibility away from themselves. They do this out of fear, I think. The thought of being responsible for their feeling bad, and not being able to change it like I (and maybe others like me) can must depress them. I think everyone could realize their ability to control themselves and be less emotionally inclined and biased. But few are worth the time to teach.

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by TheLeviathan

 

by Spatial Mind

 

by TheLeviathan

Honestly, I find it disgusting that we get called such a "negative" name as sociopathic, or psychopathic. I see and understand human tendencies clearly, and so I'm a monster? 

They called us psychopaths... The nerve...

 

You described yourself to have the ability to get over frustrations and go about your day, "as happy as can be."

Why worry about a label ?

 

 In my attempt at rationalizing the human tendency to label something they don't understand with prejudice, I have only come across the idea that they are primitive to the point of being "disgusting." I would also describe the way an ape uses sex, only for procreation and only does so on instinct, to be disgusting as well.

The idea that we have the ability to construct ideas in our heads to base our lives off of, and they choose primitive instinct, makes them appear useless, at times.

 

That's a good description of how things are with the masses. The problem I think is, people don't ask enough questions, and settle for whatever authority tells them is good and bad. They give themselves away to the point where it's hardwired into their own ego.

The disgusting side to it from my perspective, is how ill prepared the world is to actually live with the absolute truth, so instead we live in a world of bullshit while those in power continue to program the masses, which apparently is a simple task.

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Yeah, the masses lack a healthy skepticism. They settle for slavery, because they don't understand the extent of complete power of one's reality. What people like us have realized, is that you can feign submission, and play the game against those who wish to gain power over you.

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by TheLeviathan

But I also see an almost God-like potential in all humans. They are creating the reality around them, but they use morality, indoctrination, and deception to displace responsibility away from themselves. They do this out of fear, I think. The thought of being responsible for their feeling bad, and not being able to change it like I (and maybe others like me) can must depress them. I think everyone could realize their ability to control themselves and be less emotionally inclined and biased. But few are worth the time to teach.

 

Are you manipulating me or something ? I'm thinking you have a very high opinionated awareness. That is, very aware, but opinionated.

The ones who seem to be unable to learn, are the ones who need it the most. Still in every case, people only learn when they are ready.

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by TheLeviathan

Yeah, the masses lack a healthy skepticism. They settle for slavery, because they don't understand the extent of complete power of one's reality. What people like us have realized, is that you can feign submission, and play the game against those who wish to gain power over you.

 For me it's come to a point where I don't even play against them. I just do whatever I want, though sometimes I do have to be smart about it, cause there are always those who enforce the laws against some of my activities which are in effect, harmless.

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by Spatial Mind

 

by TheLeviathan

But I also see an almost God-like potential in all humans. They are creating the reality around them, but they use morality, indoctrination, and deception to displace responsibility away from themselves. They do this out of fear, I think. The thought of being responsible for their feeling bad, and not being able to change it like I (and maybe others like me) can must depress them. I think everyone could realize their ability to control themselves and be less emotionally inclined and biased. But few are worth the time to teach.

 

Are you manipulating me or something ? I'm thinking you have a very high opinionated awareness. That is, very aware, but opinionated.

The ones who seem to be unable to learn, are the ones who need it the most. Still in every case, people only learn when they are ready.

 The language I use is limited, and so my reality is limited. When I use the term "disgusting," it is more of an analogy, or complex interpretation. I am indifferent on people, usually. But when I think it's possible, I attempt to bring other people the same rationalizations that I've come across, in the form of a linguistically-sound perspective. My recent relationship focus was based on the fact that I saw her ability to see her primitive tendencies, and that she wanted more than anything, to destroy them. But she lacks the will because of her emotional predispositions towards herself. She has not been treated kindly in this world. When I give her insights to help her achieve self-control, she seems unable to take the step into moral oblivion. She is willing to let other people control her, to stay morally sound. When that is, in fact, the reason she isn't able to remain "morally sound" in the first place.

This may seem off-topic, but this was the only example I could think of, off the top of my head.

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