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Are you also implying that no socio/psychopath can convincingly manipulate someone without affective empathy?

Yes, I am. To successfully portray an emotion, you must be able to play off of and take on the emotions of others. This mirroring is what gives others the feeling of deep connection with you. It is that state that allows the deepest and most sincere appearing form of manipulation.

"The best lies are the ones you can make yourself believe." True manipulation requires a level of self-manipulation, if only for a short time.

Daddy, emotions can be faked very easily and convincingly.

This may be convincing for the naive, or the people who want to believe what you're saying. But even they will always have a feeling that something is off. A part of them will know... And the perceptive will see right through you.

You only need to recognize how other people express their emotions to learn how to
fake it yourself.

If it were that simple then there would be no such thing as a bad actor. But the truth is great acting requires a level of sincerity that can only be achieved through affective empathy.

If it was that hard to fake emotion convincely, there
would be no good actors in the entertainment industry.

That's just it, great actors understand these principles. A decent article in Psychology today talks about it here:

"There are then three psychological skills, specifically, that I believe help an actor create their characterization: theory of mind, empathy, and emotion regulation." here's a link to the Article

Theory of mind deals with Cognitive Empathy, and The Empathy they reference in the article has to do with Affective Empathy.

Another concept used in Method Acting is the concept of Affective Memory  This in itself is a form of empathy. Only you are empathizing with your own past self more over your own past memories that conjure up a specific feeling.

Great acting is not merely mimicry. That's nothing more than coarse imitation and is easily seen through by most.

Breathing is subconscious, but it can also be controlled if you make yourself aware of it Ed...

First, intuition is not affective empathy or vice versa. Your intuition
helps you to forsee a certain outcome, or helps scientists to find out
new stuff. I think you're really mixing things up here, you certainly
don't seem to have a clear idea about the meaning of those terms.

Intuition is often attributed to being able to read how you feel about someone or some situation. This is you subconsciously seeing patterns of behavior that you've seen in the past and making judgements off of that. When we read someones body language (for most people that is a subconscious process because they don't concretely know what all of these non-verbal behaviors mean, they just have a sense) you are seeing patterns of behavior behavior that you've experienced before, this sort of bias allows you to make predictive interpretations of what someone is feeling, thinking, or may do in the future. This is the cognitive basis for empathy a concept known as theory of mind. Where you theorize what someone is possibly experiencing based off of past experiences.

You're seeing old patterns and making judgements off of new behaviors. This is how we make judgements, this is the basis of "intuition".

So affective empathy is this subconscious thing, smth with which I agree
because it just happens in my case, but you special snowflake can use
it whenever you want. You're contradicting yourself Jay. It's more
likely you just have a keener "mental" understanding of what other
people are going through if you pay closer attention, if you're a
sociopath with a certain interest to do so. In which case that's not
really affective empathy, not even by your definition, since it's not
unconscious if you get to decide when to use it.

You're correct, the basis for logically understanding someone emotions does come from observance of patterns (that intuition we were just talking about) but that is cognitive empathy. The basis of connecting with those emotions and resonating with them, stems from affective empathy. This is something you feel when you're in flow with someone... when everything feels like poetry in your exchange, when you're in "Sync" with another person. It is the deepest form of human connection. When you can literally feel what another person feels.

Only when you've reached that point can you truly know what manipulation is. Because once you're in flow. Once you resonate with someone else. They are the most susceptible to suggestion. Once you "get" them, you can move them, and inject your emotions onto them and they will love you for it.

And of course I've emotionally empathized with others before... I've done so with many people.

You're thinking too hard ed don't hurt yourself...

by Daddy

Are you also implying that no socio/psychopath can convincingly manipulate someone without affective empathy?

Yes, I am. To successfully portray an emotion, you must be able to play off of and take on the emotions of others. This mirroring is what gives others the feeling of deep connection with you. It is that state that allows the deepest and most sincere appearing form of manipulation.

"The best lies are the ones you can make yourself believe." True manipulation requires a level of self-manipulation, if only for a short time.

You're confusing cognitive empathy with emotional empathy. Mirroring other people's emotions only requires recognition of the emotion itself, which is cognitive empathy. Other people may emotionally connect with you, but you don't need to emotionally connect with them to effectively manipulate them and you certainly don't need to self-manipulate.

Daddy, emotions can be faked very easily and convincingly.

This may be convincing for the naive, or the people who want to believe what you're saying. But even they will always have a feeling that something is off. A part of them will know... And the perceptive will see right through you.

Bullshit. I have successfully manipulated quite a few people over the years without any need for emotional empathy at all and you cannot tell me they were all just too stupid to see through it. Anyone can be manipulated with the right manipulative technique. In many cases, it's simply finding their weakness and exploiting it to your advantage.

You're confusing cognitive empathy with emotional empathy. Mirroring
other people's emotions only requires recognition of the emotion itself,
which is cognitive empathy. Other people may emotionally connect with
you, but you don't need to emotionally connect with them to effectively
manipulate them and you certainly don't need to self-manipulate.

I would love to meet you in person and see how well you can manipulate. Considering the fact that you have no social partnerships with anyone, no lovers to speak of, living alone in a trailer with the internet your only form of social interaction. I think you highly over estimate your ability to manipulate anything.

Bullshit. I have successfully manipulated quite a few people over the
years without any need for emotional empathy at all and you cannot tell
me they were all just too stupid to see through it. Anyone can be
manipulated with the right manipulative technique. In many cases, it's
simply finding their weakness and exploiting it to your advantage.

If you had any capacity for manipulation, you'd do what every other woman does and leach off of a man instead of living alone in a trailer like the trash you are.

Yes I do agree, we can feel empathy! As I have always checked every mark on the list of traits of a Sociopath, but the "lack of empathy" I never have full checked because I was always able to turn empathy off on command. I could choose to care about something or someone and then the next moment just choose not too. So this studies confirms my theory I've had for some years now that we simply have the capability to turn our empathy on and off. 

I would love to meet you in person and see how well you can manipulate.

That sounds like a challenge. Manipulating you will be easy and could be a whole lot of fun.

When and where do you propose we meet?

Considering the fact that you have no social partnerships with anyone, no lovers to speak of, living alone in a trailer with the internet your only form of social interaction. I think you highly over estimate your ability to manipulate anything.

I find it amusing at just how naive you are.

You obviously need to be in a relationship to give you the confidence to do a lot of the things you likely couldn't do alone. I don't. though, I'm not denying that I've been in quite a few relationships myself over the years, which taught me a lot. But being in a relationship or choosing to live alone makes absolutely no difference how well you can manipulate someone, when so much can be learned from just socializing with other people. You don't need to be in a relationship to do that.

As for living in a trailer... lol, wtf. That may be your preferred choice of accommodation, but I prefer living in the house I'm in.

If you had any capacity for manipulation, you'd do what every other woman does and leach off of a man instead of living alone in a trailer like the trash you are.

Don't get yourself so worked up over a simple discussion. We'll see if you still want to call me trash if we ever actually meet.

Well I don't have any intentions of going to that shithole country of yours and you're too fucking poor to make it to america so I doubt we'll ever get to meet. But if you ever make it to the states, let me know, I'd love to bludgen you with a rusty pipe...

I have no issues with my confidence I am simply aware of how I can use relationships to my advantage, something you're stupid ass obviously can't understand.

And being isolated from humanity does extiguish your ability to manipulate and socialize over time... it's a skill just like any other... your isolation has probably delluded your senses on how well you actually can function in society... which is why you over-estimate your abilities.

by Daddy

Well I don't have any intentions of going to that shithole country of yours and you're too fucking poor to make it to america so I doubt we'll ever get to meet. But if you ever make it to the states, let me know, I'd love to bludgen you with a rusty pipe...

Oh really now. Well, don't you worry, Daddy. I guarantee that I will let you know when I plan to visit the US and we'll see just how much fun we can have.

I have no issues with my confidence

lol, That's a joke, right...?

And being isolated from humanity does extiguish your ability to manipulate and socialize over time...

 I live in town, moron. How exactly am I isolated from humanity again? Do tell.

Oh wait, is this the part where you claim I never leave my house? lol. I can't wait to see you post that bunch of bullshit again.

Oh really now. Well, don't you worry, Daddy. I guarantee that I will let
you know when I plan to visit the US and we'll see just how much fun we
can have.

Be sure you do that...

lol, That's a joke, right...?

The only joke here is you.

 I live in town, moron. How exactly am I isolated from humanity again? Do tell.

Living in town means nothing if you never leave your house... There has never been a time since you started coming her (that I can remember) when I've come to this forum and haven't seen your icon front and center. You have no fucking life outside of the internet... you're a fucking loser.