by DeborahTruth, you speak the truth.
Just be kind to people. Give and take.
That with good sex, conversation, companionship and the ability to laugh. Sounds good to me.
You sound like a smart women Deborah. :) I'm going to agree:)
by eden
yep, he's a retard...screenname: The_Truth, espousing cures and causes of "mental illness"in theories of love. Hilarious how he is blindly and consistently contradicting and discrediting himself
yep, he's a retard...screenname: The_Truth, espousing cures and causes of "mental illness"in theories of love. Hilarious how he is blindly and consistently contradicting and discrediting himselfExplain or move on? Where did I contradict myself? Where did I discredit myself? Proof or STFU what you say holds no water.
by The_TruthThe problem is that deception is fallible. Being genuine is infallible. Decepton can be seen through. Honesty can't be. Lets just say this..who will be a harder psychopath to defeat. One who wants to do good but most of his actions are perceived as bad by others. Or one who wants to do bad and his actions are perceived as good. One who wants to do good will only be inspired by a greater good, and unable to accept defeat from bad. One who wants to do bad will only be able to to accept defeat from another bad, as no greater good than himself exists. Therefore deceprion cannot triumph over truth.
I hate to poop on your parade (oh wait, no I don't) but it's not a matter of fallibility or people seeing through anything.
Before you go invalidating my contribution by labeling me a "damaged sociopath child" let me give you a more appropriate label. I have post traumatic stress disorder. Beyond that I have no other official diagnoses. I relate to a lot of these people, and it's because they are intelligent and logical. So far as I know, and as far as I've been told, I'm not a sociopath.
Now back to why complete honesty is the answer to all problems is baloney...
Everyone lives in their own little bubble, viewing the world from the only perspective they have; their own. Even those who claim to be empathetic are only viewing what they perceive to be another person's emotions and experiences from their own perspective. Just like you. You are no exception. Unless you're some sort of divine omnipotent narcissist, in which case you're better than all of us and I should just shut up now( insert sarcasm here)
Honesty may not be relative, but the perception of what is honest is. If I told you right now that I spent 5 months in the wilderness of Utah with nothing but a backpack, what I could fit in it, dry food ration drops, and cattle bones that I used for tools when I was 12 it would be the complete and honest truth, but not many believe me when I say it, which is why I often time don't.
My example is an extreme one, but I've learned that complete honesty loses friends, lovers and opportunities. Everyone lies, which is why everyone always suspects a lie.
The truth couldn't save me from abusive adults who my parents had entrusted me to, and they still don't believe a word I say. The truth doesn't keep me employed, tactical lies and misrepresentations do. I will never tell my partner the full extent of who I am because who I am freaks people out.
don't give me any mushy squishy bullshit about the redemption of loving and accepting myself; I've lived in my own skin for over two decades, I know myself intimately and I am my own best friend but the relationship I have with myself is not love or acceptance, it's respect. Love and acceptance when it comes to yourself in the absence of some acknowledgement of flaws lead to stagnation and lack of character building.
There is nothing more damaging and more disgusting to me than your deluded idea that the answer to living happily and successfully is to close your eyes and plug your ears and spew every intent and private detail all while repeating the mantra "everything is good, everything is fine, the universe is a kind and happy place to the virtuous". Wake up.
All people want things, and if there was enough
success, money, and pussy to go around maybe we could all just be nice and ask if we could pretty please have what we want...
But humans are selfish. Enough is never enough. It world is far from u topic, manipulation and deception are necessary for survival and success and it is only through hardship and pain that we grow as people. The only person you can ever trust completely is yourself.
by Paranoidilution
by The_TruthThe problem is that deception is fallible. Being genuine is infallible. Decepton can be seen through. Honesty can't be. Lets just say this..who will be a harder psychopath to defeat. One who wants to do good but most of his actions are perceived as bad by others. Or one who wants to do bad and his actions are perceived as good. One who wants to do good will only be inspired by a greater good, and unable to accept defeat from bad. One who wants to do bad will only be able to to accept defeat from another bad, as no greater good than himself exists. Therefore deceprion cannot triumph over truth.
I hate to poop on your parade (oh wait, no I don't) but it's not a matter of fallibility or people seeing through anything.
Before you go invalidating my contribution by labeling me a "damaged sociopath child" let me give you a more appropriate label. I have post traumatic stress disorder. Beyond that I have no other official diagnoses. I relate to a lot of these people, and it's because they are intelligent and logical. So far as I know, and as far as I've been told, I'm not a sociopath.
Now back to why complete honesty is the answer to all problems is baloney...
Everyone lives in their own little bubble, viewing the world from the only perspective they have; their own. Even those who claim to be empathetic are only viewing what they perceive to be another person's emotions and experiences from their own perspective. Just like you. You are no exception. Unless you're some sort of divine omnipotent narcissist, in which case you're better than all of us and I should just shut up now( insert sarcasm here)
Honesty may not be relative, but the perception of what is honest is. If I told you right now that I spent 5 months in the wilderness of Utah with nothing but a backpack, what I could fit in it, dry food ration drops, and cattle bones that I used for tools when I was 12 it would be the complete and honest truth, but not many believe me when I say it, which is why I often time don't.
My example is an extreme one, but I've learned that complete honesty loses friends, lovers and opportunities. Everyone lies, which is why everyone always suspects a lie.
The truth couldn't save me from abusive adults who my parents had entrusted me to, and they still don't believe a word I say. The truth doesn't keep me employed, tactical lies and misrepresentations do. I will never tell my partner the full extent of who I am because who I am freaks people out.
don't give me any mushy squishy bullshit about the redemption of loving and accepting myself; I've lived in my own skin for over two decades, I know myself intimately and I am my own best friend but the relationship I have with myself is not love or acceptance, it's respect. Love and acceptance when it comes to yourself in the absence of some acknowledgement of flaws lead to stagnation and lack of character building.
There is nothing more damaging and more disgusting to me than your deluded idea that the answer to living happily and successfully is to close your eyes and plug your ears and spew every intent and private detail all while repeating the mantra "everything is good, everything is fine, the universe is a kind and happy place to the virtuous". Wake up.
All people want things, and if there was enough
success, money, and pussy to go around maybe we could all just be nice and ask if we could pretty please have what we want...
But humans are selfish. Enough is never enough. It world is far from u topic, manipulation and deception are necessary for survival and success and it is only through hardship and pain that we grow as people. The only person you can ever trust completely is yourself.
You strike me as someone who speaks the truth. Have you read the bible? I would like for you to read John. If you haven't already. If you have already read it, why don't you believe Jesus' words? And if you haven't, and have dismissed the bible, may I ask you why? Were your parents religious? If they were, what made you turn away from your parents?
I have read the bible, my parents were less religious than I was but I no longer cleave to that dogmatic institution or the people who buy into it who so readily disown, discredit, and judge those who are different from themselves despite what their own pamphletry says loud and clear, much like you.
I find the whole premise of a world coming into Being through the thoughts of a giant man from another dimension who supercedes all our comprehension is his magnificence and yet somehow still is restricted to a name, gender, obsession with sexual pastimes, and putting his cherished "creations" through tests like tortured lab rats, and zombie jews somehow picking up the tab through torture and death by permission of an entity that is supposed to be all powerful, all knowing, good and loving entirely too mundane to
be the actual explanation of our creation and sustainment.
the bible is just another self help book written by very mortal, very human men. Like most selfhelp books (and trust me, I've had plenty shoved down my throat) some parts are applicable sometimes for some people. To say anything is absolutely universally applicable goes back to that bullshit we were talking about earlier about everything being wonderful all the time.
I turned away from religion and my parents because I thought for myself and realized that neither had my best interests at heart, but rather had a selfishly driven agenda. That's just the way of the world, and while I don't waste a second of my time crying over it, I also don't waste a second of my time or a fraction of my dollar on investments I don't derive some benefit from, just like these people who you are wrongly generalizing and condemning.
You should apologize.
I don't know a lot about the bible. I have lots left to learn. But I do know that at the core of Jesus words I believe was truth and love. Now the bible is compromised of many books over time. I believe what Jesus said that if you believe in him, and love him. You will be saved. I don't agree with everything every church out there says. Many churches have started their own traditions. Which is why I don't believe you necessarily have to go to church. If someone doesn't wan't to follow the traditions of a church or something, they shouldn't have to. Jesus said love him, believe that he died for our sins. If you believe in Jesus..you WANT to read the bible..it becomes enjoyable. You start to realize the wisdom and truth it contains.
by The_TruthI don't know a lot about the bible. I have lots left to learn. But I do know that at the core of Jesus words I believe was truth and love. Now the bible is compromised of many books over time. I believe what Jesus said that if you believe in him, and love him. You will be saved. I don't agree with everything every church out there says. Many churches have started their own traditions. Which is why I don't believe you necessarily have to go to church. If someone doesn't wan't to follow the traditions of a church or something, they shouldn't have to. Jesus said love him, believe that he died for our sins. If you believe in Jesus..you WANT to read the bible..it becomes enjoyable. You start to realize the wisdom and truth it contains.
I believe you were put in that position for a reason. It's a crazy idea to you I'm sure. But if you believe Jesus died for your sins and you love him with all your heart, things will definitely change in your life.
hmmm. It seems that you came across this forum for, perhaps, similar reasons that I did. Maybe though in reverse.
Rather than indulge in the initial response that came to mind, I'll ask:
What do you mean that "love...gives you hope." ?
I am keeping that question simple and open for a reason. And also, are children who "weren't loved" somehow: a) resposible for that, and who they become/became? ; b) not worthy of love somehow? It is what you seem to imply.
hmmm. It seems that you came across this forum for, perhaps, similar reasons that I did. Maybe though in reverse.
Rather than indulge in the initial response that came to mind, I'll ask:
What do you mean that "love...gives you hope." ?
I am keeping that question simple and open for a reason. And also, are children who "weren't loved" somehow: a) resposible for that, and who they become/became? ; b) not worthy of love somehow? It is what you seem to imply.