by wilfulThe rapist will suffer because he rapes...
... and the Big Bad Wolf will get punished for his evil deeds. Grandma must have told me the same stories when I was a kid.
lol, this is so cute, we're back to the Middle Ages.
by EdvardYou must be really blind to not see how unjust life is, and how some shitheads get to live happily until old age and other ppl get shit all the time. Of course justice doesn't always happen.
Nonsense, everything is just and fair in this life. Whatever happens to you is EXACTLY what you deserve, and if you weren't a resentful miser (or a millionaire choking on your guilt and bad conscience), you'd realize this.
TARA said: "Do you believe certain "laws of nature" govern humanity? How would you describe them?"
No, I don't "believe" in "laws" of nature. I see with my eyes that there are none whatsoever. Laws are absolutely lacking in this world. (And by the way, Luna, could you please fix the quotes? Quoting in this forum is painfully bad. After fixing this, you should add a preview button to the posts, too, now that we're on it. Thanks, etc.)
As for karma: lol. The "If you do good, you'll be given good; if you do evil, you'll be given evil" claptrap. What IS good and evil, anyway? But the shallow moralizers will never grasp that karma, and God, and Zeus, and rain dances are all fantastical constructs of the man of superstition (and stupidity). Well, that's too bad for them...
by Etzellol, this is so cute, we're back to the Middle Ages.
by EdvardYou must be really blind to not see how unjust life is, and how some shitheads get to live happily until old age and other ppl get shit all the time. Of course justice doesn't always happen.
Nonsense, everything is just and fair in this life. Whatever happens to you is EXACTLY what you deserve, and if you weren't a resentful miser (or a millionaire choking on your guilt and bad conscience), you'd realize this.
That's some immature shit. I bet you wouldn't think that if you got sodomized by 5 weirdos in a parking lot and ended up with aids or smth, or if you found out your balls have cancer.
Learn to read, moron. What I feel or don't feel is IRRELEVANT to what I said. A piano could fall off my ceiling now, break my neck and leave me a quadriplegic for the rest of my life, and it would STILL BE completely JUST AND FAIR — regardless of how much resentment and anger I felt. Bottom line is justice is an empty concept; it doesn't correspond to anything real. Now, this might seem strange to you. "Why would the word "justice" exist, if it doesn't correspond to anything real?", you ask. Well, you'd be surprised if you knew how many words there are out there that signify absolutely nothing real whatever! "Justice", "peace", "perfection" and "psychopath" are some of them.
Tomorrow I can spend some time here to explain you why everything is just in this world. Now I'm too sleepy for that, lol.
I'm feeling slightly bitter right now so excuse me. I think that to some extent karma does work. An asshole is more likely to receive a punch in the face than someone who is acting nice. But let's be honest here. Life is not fair.
Some people work hard with no rewards. Some people get born into a bad family and a bad environment. Some people starve to death. Some people die before they can experience life. Some children get abused. Then there's the other side. Some people get born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Some people get everything without working for anything. Some people get to live their life without fear. I realize people deal with different kinds of problems but saying everyone has it the same is not true.
I know someone from my university who talked about how evolution is no longer working properly because poor people make too many kids. He argued that evolution is going backwards because it favours the less successful people, when the whole idea of evolution is the survival of the fittest. While I had heard about the theory before I didn't think I'd meet someone who supported it. That person had his rent paid by his mommy and daddy and recently he went back to live with his parents. He's living there to save some money and because his mommy and daddy are going to buy him an apartment of his own soon. In fact, he gets everything he wants from his parents. What a masterpiece of evolution.
Etzel is another of those so called words
Your point being? Ultimately, EVERY word corresponds to nothing real, since so-called "reality" is merely an illusion. It's just that some things are MORE REAL than others (or less illusory, depending on how you wish to view it). So in this case the word "Etzel" is simply the name I chose to identify myself with, and it's just that. There's no concept behind it, no idea whatsoever. Though you COULD research the word's etymology, and try to find out its original meaning and uncover the concepts from which it derived, you'd just be wasting time on a useless word. (The word "richard" as an example, taken from Wiktionary: From Middle English Rycharde, from Old French Richard (“Richardâ€), from Frankish RÄ«cohard (literally “powerful leaderâ€), from Proto-Germanic rÄ«kô (“ruler, chief, leaderâ€) + Proto-Germanic *harduz (“hardâ€), equivalent to rich +‎ -ard. Cognate with Old High German RÄ«cohard (“Richardâ€), Old English rÄ«ca (“powerful rulerâ€). So in this case the concept behind "richard" was "powerful ruler".)
But anyway, it should go without saying that finding out whether the word "etzel" derives from any "real" concept is a waste of time compared to finding it out with the word "justice".
Why say everything is just and fair, then? Why not everything is unjust and unfair.
This is a VERY good question, and I'd be very surprised if you had answered it correctly. The answer is that since everything is just OR everything is unjust (you cannot have "some things" just and "some other things" unjust, as I'll be explaining shortly), the word you end up deciding to choose to describe life depends ON WHAT YOU ARE. So, a person who loves life would say that life is just, but a person who hates it would say it is unjust and unfair. In other words, to a strong man life is just; to a weak man life is unjust.
But let's take a closer look, shall we? Just is everything you call unjust. And fair everything you call unfair. Are you going to tell me that, for example, it is not fair that all the black people in Africa are dying of hunger while I'm here in Europe sitting in a chair digesting the feast I had for lunch? Unless you are myopic, it's perfectly clear that it is utterly just and fair. If you think not, you are either myopic or you hate life — there's no other possibility. Let's try to understand why.
Why was I born in Europe and feel good, strong, healthy, in a "thriving" society, while the blacks in Africa are suffering with hunger and all types of diseases? The answer comes instantly to everyone with a sliver of honesty left in them: because my ancestors commited the biggest SACRIFICES. It's completely JUST that everything is as is, and the reason you all fail to see this is that you are filled to the brim with stupid prejudices. Some of you, no doubt thanks to your christian-inherited guilt and morality, even feel pity of the poor blacks! But we must not feel pity of them! What we must do is try to understand why they are where they are and we are where we are, analyze this fact and understand the reasons, in order to better act according to our and our friends' interests!
In other words, if the blacks hadn't been for CENTURIES, playing djembé all happy and performing rain dances (i.e. doing nothing), then perhaps when the Europeans got there they wouldn't have ended up annihilated. — Which they infact didn't — but the same can't be said of the Aztecs...
And the irony in the midst of all this, is that the famous "progress" preached by everyone these days (no doubt a phenomenon of the democratic movement) is only made possible PRECISELY BECAUSE of war. I.e. because of pain, suffering and death. And the necessary strength to overcome our condition and shape the future — it was the Europeans who suffered the most to get to where they are now! And if we push this till the very end (now that we've come so far), we see that if something happens, there is a REASON it happened. Something caused this something. Similarly, we can find a reason to this cause, i.e. what caused the cause and continue like this ad infinitum until we reach the FUCKING BIG BANG. And unless you think the Big Bang was an unjust and unfair event, then EVERYTHING in this world is just — and the concept of justice becomes meaningless. And by the way, if you do think Big Bang was an unjust event — congrats — you are the ones I mentioned above that hated life. There's no turning back, lol this clownery is the funniest thing on earth! But now is not the time to laugh, so let's see what a real man has to say about justice:
Heraclitus: "We must realize that war is universal, and strife is justice, and that all things come into being and pass away through strife."
At the end of the day, the concept "justice" is just another empty concept, a concept that doesn't correspond to anything real (just as the concepts "peace", "altruism", "equality" and many more don't). That they are useful in day-to-day chatter, does not refute my proposition. And after all is said and done, as Nietzsche correctly noted, when someone asks for justice, he is in reality asking for revenge. And nothing else needs to be said about "justices".