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 Well...

 

1. Turkey does not represent all civilizations nor all tribal groups

2. Worshipping a female god is not even close to the same thing as a matriarchy. In a matriarchy, a woman is the head of the tribe or civilization. Some tribes and civilizations may have actually had matriarchies, but they would be very rate in a world in which females evolved (or for creationists, were created) for childbirth and raising children.

3. It may not have been uncommon to see a female figure as the creator of life or nature, since women were indeed associated with the birth of children, they could as well "give birth" to all things.

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Agreed well said. Thanks.  

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I like a nice debate. I agree we should end oppression. The U.S. is mostly there (but with still apparent gender roles). in many debeloping nations it is a problem. I do not know if we will ever get rid of gender roles entirely, but they are definitely fading at least.

 

I would argue that as soon as Constantine "invented" Catholicism at Nycea is when Christianity became corrupted, and I am not even Christian. Catholicism kind of made SO MANY things up because they took things out of context.

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People will takes sides and go to war over some label.

Whether its rich vs poor, white vs colored, liberal vs conservative,

House slave vs. Field slave. Just another way of fighting them vs us.

When problems are approached as we/us/our problem

Then it humanizes the people caught in it on all sides.

Thats where "we" are heading in society. But the learning curve sux! 

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Well said

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by emilynghiem

People will takes sides and go to war over some label.

Whether its rich vs poor, white vs colored, liberal vs conservative,

House slave vs. Field slave. Just another way of fighting them vs us.

When problems are approached as we/us/our problem

Then it humanizes the people caught in it on all sides.

Thats where "we" are heading in society. But the learning curve sux! 

 what do you suggest to fix it emily? it seems you have visions of faith-amped robotic zealots running around..perhaps that is what caused this mess

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 That seems to be persistent in human psychology. People wanting to be a part of an exclusive group or belonging to a certain in-group and greatly disliking/hating certain people that they perceive as against them, unworthy, different, wrong, immoral, etc.  This may be why nationalism caused such a problem and why europe had the wars of religion of protestants vs. catholics. Hitler and McCarthy understood this concept well, I believe.

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 We cannot FIX it, as it is somehow a fixed part in the mind, but we can IMPROVE it with better, unbiased education.

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 I really enjoyed the veiws and how this played out....people just don't understand there is a balancetoeverythingeverything and there wool always be consequence and trade of power to everything we choose

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I mostly agree, but what's wrong with being an overly emotional individual? And what if we are a more erratic sex? Who says that it's a bad thing? Why is this looked down upon? This is a very male dominated view, in my opinion, I don't buy it. Each sex has its strengths and weaknesses, being emotional or not comes with a package (somewhat) and I feel 0 need to apologize or be ashamed of it, as a female. Just because someone is less emotional doesn't make him/her any better or worse in my opinion, it just is what it is. I draw the line when those emotions are used as a tool for manipulation though, that's a different story.

I feel about emotions the way I feel about religion: practice it, explore it, express it freely, but don't try to make it a law, and do not oppress or suffocate others with it. Keep it secular! ;)

Women are their own worst enemy sometimes, but not for not complying with men's standards of how we should be! We have our own standards that they don't comply with either, so? I refuse to think that we're "lower" because we don't share certain traits, have different affinities, or function in a different manner, that is pure machismo in my opinion. I have been criticized for not being a female-like enough, or for being "such a female", depending on some man's convenience at that moment, it happens all the time. I think it's bullshit. I don't think that men should set the standard for women, nor should we set one for them, it's a "cultural" difference that should be respeced.

I'm all for decency and equality, feelings are individual rights that should be respected, but shouldn't enter legal discourse. Keep it civilized and fair. 

 

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