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by Caleb

 your "reading people" skill is merely insane accusations without valid evidence to back them up.

Not true. I'm good at figuring people out and finding their insecurities. Sometimes it's not just what people say that tells me something about them, it's what they don't say that can tell me a lot as well.

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by emilynghiem

Ha TK and I both agree on something!

TK would you consider starting your own list?

Your scale sounds like it would work.

I can point to yours from mine. so ppl can compare both.

Most black widows spin some web to catch their prey.

So you can nab people who go there. And bite their heads off. Yum!

 I'll start a new thread and see what response it provokes.

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Hey Caleb since you can obviously hold your own

In debating church state issues come check out

http://www.usmessageboard.com

i also believe in the

Natural laws being universal which our Constitution

Was based on. I believe these laws are equally divinely

Inspired but you can call it Nature and it's the same as

Saying from God or from God of Nature. Itstill means 

Universal laws for the good of all humanity.

Btw this is what I meant by intellectual. Getting into

What really makes people connect or not upstairs.

 

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 Many or even most of the most known founding fathers were deists and believed that all God did was create the universe, and that is it, and even John Adams said that America was in no way founded nor based on the Christian religion. That is why there was such a stress to separate church and state. "In God we trust" was only placed on coins during the Civil War when there was a Christian revitalization. It was put on dollars during the Red Scare because "dirty commies" were atheists. "One Nation under God" was added to the pledge of allegiance during the Red Scare also. 

 

Natural law usually refers to the science of the universe in the context of the Enlightenment philosophy, which inspired the founding fathers in the first place. America was founded under thee liberal Enlightenment philosophies. Our great George Washington was a deist, and Jefferson created a Bible with all of the miracles and divinity taken out. In it, he made the ending of the gospels Jesus's burial without any resurrection. If you mentioned Satan or the Holy Spirit to a deist, they may laugh, because the ideology of them is incongruent with natural law. However, Jefferson did believe that simply blieving in Heaven could reinforce "better morals." That is even if he did not agree with it himself.

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  Or by natural law do you mean natural rights? It is a nice idea, except there is no evidence that they are universal, and in order to have them guaranteed, we must give up some liberty to a governing body.

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 However, the founding fathers DID believe in those natural rights, even if there is no clear evidence of their existence. Many belived that God or nature did bestow them these rights, as it is in the Constitution. I personally don't buy it, even though I usually agree with the founding fathers.

 

Also, God is referred to as the Creator instead of as God. Isn't that interesting?

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There are anarchists and cooperatives which govern themselves by agreement among the membership. So that is like the ppl being their own govt. I believe that is natural law to form social contracts by informed consent

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Yes ive seen ppl substitute and represent

God as wisdom truth love goodwill creation/creator

Author or source of all The Universe etc.

Whatever is the top dog the end all be all in your system = God

 

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ere Quite technically those would not be "true anarchists," and the definition of a true anarchist is pretty loose sometimes because any small group could have its own "government." It may be "human nature" to form a social contract, but I do not think that would constitute as "natural law," and it may be viewed as a natural right definitely if one believes in natural rights, but not natural law. Natural law would imply it happens 10/10 times, which we know it does not, because people under an authoritarian, closed border, restricted government do not and have not formed a social contract in any way under informed consent, unless of course they were the ones that overthrew a previous government to implement their own authoritarian regime.

Technically, people forming those small cooperatives would be closer to communists than anarchists, but they could very well be "anarcho-communists," whatever that would look like. 

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 Unique perspective, but I believe in none of those to be of ultimate importance or any thing of the sort, so does that make me an atheist?

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