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 I have been able to control some of my dreams for the last 6 years or so. I've never tried to put someone in my dreams before- I've just learned to change what is going on in them, when it's not favorable. I tend to have apocalyptic type dreams, and sometimes they get too intense for me to handle.

So I force my mind to change the course.

by Turncoat

Enlighten us.

 Gotta tone down my arrogance.... sighs...

I'll post on the subject, let me see the best approach on that one... 

by Daddy

 You're an idiot... There have been many studies on this subject, and it has been scientifically disproven over and over again...

 You're right when you say I'm an idiot but you're and idiot when you think science could prove/disprove something something related to the sprititual layer of the world.

Science refers to matter, to the physical aspect of this world. It makes no sense to use it to study a non physical phenomenon.

Can you prove it though? Or is something "spiritual" exempt from that?

Is there any way you could show it to us with data?

Edit: To clarify, I have prior experience with all sorts of crazy things, non-real things, from a history of schizophrenic responses to low levels of Zinc. Just because I experienced these things does not make them real. They felt real, but they were just a construct of my own mind.

What makes your spiritual bits any different from my prior delusions?

 I cannot feed you data but it's just like I said:

I can go to a place and describe everything in that place. For example, a friend leaves a certain shoe in a certain part of the house. When I leave my body at night, I go there and see the shoe. I wake up and call her informing which shoe was in which room... I'll also tell her the color of the shoe, the brand, position it was in..

The stew example is a nice one. I was hopping to see a roast (it was Friday, she always roasts meat on Fridays) but I saw the stew. I saw the lid open and I smelt th north affrican spices. When I woke up, I called this friend and she coffirmed that she had made a stew that night speacilly for some guests

So while I cannot offer you any data, I can guarantee you that I am very rational, keen on science, free of delusions and/or any kind of allucination or delirious.

 these are just silly, childish examples. 

The true confirmation that the spiritual layer is there are the chats - I chat with someone on the spiritual layer, go back to my body, wwake up and resume chatting over the phone. Now THAT gives me the chills

So how much do you need to know about the subject to spirit-spy on them and their stuff? Have you ever been incorrect?

A warning, from my own life experiences: Even the most absurd feels real until you notice otherwise. Delusions are indestinguishable from truth until eventually, you notice a crack in the "logic" (if you ever do). Can be a real hassle if it's either unfalsifiable, or too much for that person to face seeing otherwise.

I had a time where I believed emotion was the means of time travel, and that if we could simply experience boredom in enough excess, we could travel back in time using reverse-emotion. In this theory, if one were not careful, they could risk hitting "Emotional Zero", a state of unconsciousness that roots from the center of this epiphany, spanning a coma both forward and backward in time from the source. Upon waking, the trauma of the event would be cleared from the victim's mind, and they'd have reset to the default time-template they knew prior.

The theory later grew to believing there was a race of underground lizard people who experience time in reverse. Our big bang was simply their world's destruction, and our world's destruction is simply their big bang. They later evolved into dinosaurs, which seem like something from the past to us simply because of our perspective of time.  Proof be damned, it made sense at the height of my crazy, and I had all sorts of notes on it alongside other crazy notions.

It's weird to look back on them from time to time. They used to be haunting to look at during those moments I resumed being rational, but now it's more like a past chapter. The "God is an Eldritch Angler Fish" one was a fun "musing".

A large factor for my nihilistic beliefs are from having "experienced" so much fiction. In the end, I'm stuck asking how their crazy ideas are any more probable than my own.

 when you refer to something like astral projection aka, remote viewing, you would be able to prove that with an experiment, otherwise its a hillucination.

 I can prove to a handful of people but I'd never care to prove it to the world... not even to my neighbors, for that matter

Astral spying? I don't think so.

So here's the thing: if you do something in the physical layer there are no immediate consequences. For example, if you start thinking about killing someone, nothing happens, they are just thoughts

But the spiritual layer is not cartesian and there, if you start thinking about killing, I'll be joined by many other like-minded. Everyone around the "murder" egregora will be attracted to you.

So, yes, you can spy and e an Astral Perv, but you'll attract dense vibrations to yourself and that will significantly make you less conscience, making the Projection foggy and leaving you with a blurred memory (opposite of the vivid memory and clear projection you have when the vibration is subtle, further away from the dense matter (like an atom, in a way)

 I want to try this. I've lucid dreamed before.