Sociopath Community

aubrieta said: 

I'm not even talking about drugs right now, astral projecting does not require drugs it can be done completely sober. In fact many children who have had traumatic childhoods especially sexual abuse can and do leave their bodies so that they are not having to emotionally experience the abuse

 

It would be an interesting place for you to start researching Turncoat, because its a very well known phenomena 

Dissociating is not the same thing. 

aubrieta said: 

Let's say I had a pen, and it transported me to a completely different planet when i touched my thumb to it, like Avatar in an alien body but only when touched with my thumbprint but my physical human body falls unconscious until I willing choose to come back to my human body

 

I would tell you about it, but since you can't go there yourself because it doesn't react to your thumbprint at all, you would say touching the pen put me in a coma for some reason and I hallucinated during that time 

 

Doesnt mean you're right though. You just simply are incapable of experiencing it and thus believing for yourself 

I'd be concerned for your mental health. 

You'd have to at least be on Philip K. Dick's level for me to question it further. 

aubrieta said: 

I can garuntee though that if you experienced it for yourself you wouldnt be questioning whether it happened or not

You should be questioning it. 

If you can't verify it, then all you're doing is accounting your own experiences. We have entire asylums full of people who are thrown off by this over not questioning their own worldview enough, in fact, it tends to be a telltale sign of low-functioning within a disorder. 

It's like that "If you think you're insane, you're more sane than you thought" kind of logic, in that when they stop asking questions they spiral into madness. Doubt in the right forms is healthy. 

because it would feel even more real than your life back in your human body. But thats the missing link, its what you dont understand because you csnt understand because you've never experienced it yourself. Your schizophrenic hallucinations are halluncinations. Astral travel isnt

Feelings shouldn't be enough on their own. 

You're otherwise going into unfalsifiable circular logic, maybe I have experienced it and I don't believe in it's legitimacy. 

At least not any more than your experience of day to day life which is technically a hallucination

The differences there lie in how many others are (feasibly) participating within the same stimulus. 

We can sit as a crowd of people and compare what we're looking at, but if what you're seeing is just a byproduct of your mind... they'd have to be mind readers, or at least cold readers if not people studied in the subject. 

Calling something a hallucination is sort of pointless since everything you experience seeing and interacting with is technically a hallucination of the brain 

Assuming this isn't some giant simulation, the world is real, but how we see it is hallucinatory. 

cool story bro

Turncoat said: 

aubrieta said: 

I'm not even talking about drugs right now, astral projecting does not require drugs it can be done completely sober. In fact many children who have had traumatic childhoods especially sexual abuse can and do leave their bodies so that they are not having to emotionally experience the abuse

 

It would be an interesting place for you to start researching Turncoat, because its a very well known phenomena 

Dissociating is not the same thing. 

 Not talking about dissociating although that is even more common, but it is also common for it to escalate from dissociating to fully leaving your body and seeing it from above and that can escalate to astral traveling

aubrieta said: 

Anyway for anyone interested in a simple beginners guide - https://howtolucid.com/how-to-astral-project/

...oh my. 

aubrieta said: 

Turncoat said: 

aubrieta said: 

I'm not even talking about drugs right now, astral projecting does not require drugs it can be done completely sober. In fact many children who have had traumatic childhoods especially sexual abuse can and do leave their bodies so that they are not having to emotionally experience the abuse

 

It would be an interesting place for you to start researching Turncoat, because its a very well known phenomena 

Dissociating is not the same thing. 

Not talking about dissociating although that is even more common, but it is also common for it to escalate from dissociating to fully leaving your body and seeing it from above and that can escalate to astral traveling

Then why is it easier for traumatized children to do? 

Turncoat said: 

Good said: 

anyway, I read this now that its a more interesting topic and doing drugs for any other reason then hedonism or medical care is bs. 

I'd argue otherwise for psychadelics. It's not fucking mystical, but being in a headspace that alien from your own can be eye opening for your sober life (without burning the fuck out either). 

It gives you no more wokeness then sex or eating does.

I mean... in the US anyway our food is almost drugs, and sex has a lot of similar hallmarks of drugs. 

At best its to cure you of some illness, at average it is to escape your problems and never actually work on them and at worst you die. Rarely the reason to take any drugs is good reason(except for medical reasons).

What about using drugs to enhance an experience? 

Yes, it fucks up your mind, a high-risk procedure with little to zero rewards(depending on luck), other than feeling good. You don't need drugs to get creative or insight.

aubrieta said: 

I dont agree Good, religion was created to control first and foremost 

 

other than like basic sun worshipping

Except for all those kings and emperors actually believed they are chosen by the gods as much as the population did. And all the prophets and priests and the religious rituals were not in a very good state of mind, so they can reach the gods and be woke! Exactly the same as what you propose.

Good said: 

Turncoat said: 

Good said: 

anyway, I read this now that its a more interesting topic and doing drugs for any other reason then hedonism or medical care is bs. 

I'd argue otherwise for psychadelics. It's not fucking mystical, but being in a headspace that alien from your own can be eye opening for your sober life (without burning the fuck out either). 

It gives you no more wokeness then sex or eating does.

I mean... in the US anyway our food is almost drugs, and sex has a lot of similar hallmarks of drugs. 

At best its to cure you of some illness, at average it is to escape your problems and never actually work on them and at worst you die. Rarely the reason to take any drugs is good reason(except for medical reasons).

What about using drugs to enhance an experience? 

Yes, it fucks up your mind, a high-risk procedure with little to zero rewards(depending on luck), other than feeling good. You don't need drugs to get creative or insight.

"Fucks up your mind" is a bit dramatic, and "need" is a strong word. 

Inspiration comes from many things, not just the straight-and-narrow, and many have found a functional balance. 

aubrieta said: 

I dont agree Good, religion was created to control first and foremost 

other than like basic sun worshipping

Except for all those kings and emperors actually believed they are chosen by the gods as much as the population did. And all the prophets and priests and the religious rituals were not in a very good state of mind, so they can reach the gods and be woke! Exactly the same as what you propose.

Usually behind such a king is a religious adviser running things, so it is about control there too.