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This video is super good, like super, super good. 



I have a decent critique that tears Legend of Korra to shreds within real reasons and only a few areas I disagree with, but that ought to be after you've at least tried the show once or twice. 

 Bruh...wow

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0 votes RE: Avatar: The Last Airbender

This video is super good, like super, super good. 



I have a decent critique that tears Legend of Korra to shreds within real reasons and only a few areas I disagree with, but that ought to be after you've at least tried the show once or twice. 

 Bruh...wow

 1hr. Count me the fuck out

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Cain said: 

This video is super good, like super, super good. 



I have a decent critique that tears Legend of Korra to shreds within real reasons and only a few areas I disagree with, but that ought to be after you've at least tried the show once or twice. 

 Bruh...wow

 1hr. Count me the fuck out

It's better after having seen the show anyway. It's post-analysis. 

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 I finished season one of korra and I really liked it.

I really hate characters like Amon(not writing-wise, but if he was irl with such characteristics) though and I wanted to see him die.

I like Iroh and how calm and relaxed he is in comparison with Zuko. He is also completely confident in the outcome of life and he does not care at all about how others view him.

Iroh cares how he's viewed, but he wants to be viewed as himself. Very classic Fire sign behavior. 

That makes sense

He does what he has to when the time is right and not a moment sooner

He does make some mistakes, which actually to me makes him a more believable character. 

Heating up his tea with bending even Zuko calls him on, and that's not all he's fumbled over or wasted time on. He however really comes into his own when he becomes a prisoner and rejoins his former group.

The mistakes he makes tho show his easy-going nature or doing what has to be done. Like getting caught while taking a spa or making tea from poisonous flowers. The other actions you may call mistakes are when he helps the avatar, but its really him choosing not to be intimidated and doing what he thinks has to be done.

despite all the social pressure that is thrown at him. He is having fun and enjoying himself regardless of the situation.

He's jolly, but it covers a deep sorrow. He's wonderfully fleshed out. 

I don't think anyone is truly jolly if they don't know sorrow. Even if they feel happy and content, its much more different after you know the other side and yet are still jolly.

I actually have grown to have Katara become my favorite, but that keeps changing every time I ask myself this question. It's not because of the whole "Water Bending is so cool" and "Zomg Blood Bending" bullshit, she's actually a complicated character with very very dubious morals. 

Not sure where her morals become very dubious. Only during her revenge campaign, but she fixed it by not doing it.

Sokka's a close second for being a very well thought out yet easily underrated character from lacking bending. He's super important to the story even if he's not throwing water around like his sister does, and he shows very stable character growth and consistent behaviors that make him feel very believable. 

He is interesting in a way that you may not notice him until he is gone lol.

Even Zuko as "not a fire bending prodigy" used that lacking to become more of a weapon master, and that granted him passive gifts throughout the series (ranging from broadswords to fire knives, dual wielded even). 

I think any bender should learn those regardless. For example, a bender that knows chi blocking and various weapon handling would be a force to be reckoned with, even if he is not a bending(or any of the other fighting techniques) prodigy.


In Korra one problem I took some issue with is the amature way they handle Amon/politics, but when you think of the context, they never had to deal with anything like modern/democratic city politics or terrorists before in the entire history of the world.

Also, they never explained why Amon's lineage was that of super benders (spoiler, highlight to see).

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Good said:
Not sure where her morals become very dubious. Only during her revenge campaign, but she fixed it by not doing it.

She is one of the most resistant to learning lessons and outside critique. It both leads to her anger and her misbehavior. She lies to the group and cheats the system when it suits her, and if anyone would stop her she chooses instead to work around them. Even in Korra she's a big part of what allows for her to disobey her White Lotus guardians, which frankly was reckless even as an old woman to allow to happen. 

Remember when she "learned her lesson" about stealing? She's also willing to destroy a factory, and otherwise reflects behaviors that struggle to comprehend consequence until further into her character developments. She also has some of the most brutal lash outs at the group. 

She's also surprisingly manipulative within her mothering behaviors, but this begins to fade as people begin to trivialize her role in the group more. 

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so which element would you guys want to master

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Good said: 

I finished season one of korra and I really liked it.

If you ignore all the main characters and focus purely on the setting it can be construed as something likeable in post-analysis. It's a marvelous example of world building, even if the pieces within it were used a little strangely. 

I really hate characters like Amon(not writing-wise, but if he was irl with such characteristics) though and I wanted to see him die.

I liked Amon until they rushed him. 

I think any bender should learn those regardless.
While I agree in general, I kind of see non-bending like it's own bending element. It's through those limitations that they try harder within their constraints to make something of it, while those gifted will naturally focus on said gifts. 

Some in martial arts think that blending practices is how you dilute your skill into a Jack of All Trades sort while others think that sticking too rigidly to one discipline makes you predictable. I see the messages in both, as your total skill is more about an efficient use of time spent. 


For example, a bender that knows chi blocking and various weapon handling would be a force to be reckoned with
I was surprised that no water benders picked up chi blocking, as both look at key points in the body similar to pressure points. 

 
even if he is not a bending(or any of the other fighting techniques) prodigy.

Legend of Korra attempted to demonstrate their own sense of blending styles, but it tended to just make for an alternate approach to bending. 

The sub-forms of bending are essentially hinted to be related to other elemental mindsets being applied to it. 

In Korra one problem I took some issue with is the amature way they handle Amon/politics, but when you think of the context, they never had to deal with anything like modern/democratic city politics or terrorists before in the entire history of the world.

They also throw it all away in the following season. It's treated as if it never happened save for a few idle references in the script. 

A non-bender rebellion made sense, and excited me for the series, but yeah if they had two or three seasons to work on the same villain it could have been a much more dynamic story. 

Also, they never explained why Amon's lineage was that of super benders (spoiler, highlight to see).

They kinda did, at least enough for me to accept it. 

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I finished season 2 and I liked it too, but I can see that if you compare the characters in the two series, Korra does not spend much time to develop them. On the other hand, they create the world a lot more. The characters are still OK tho.

 

I only didn't like that I still do not know what was the light that was given to Korra by Tensens spirit gifted child and Korra became a little like a mary sue at the very end fighting evil itself.

 

Started season 3.


Good said:
Not sure where her morals become very dubious. Only during her revenge campaign, but she fixed it by not doing it.

She is one of the most resistant to learning lessons and outside critique. It both leads to her anger and her misbehavior. She lies to the group and cheats the system when it suits her, and if anyone would stop her she chooses instead to work around them. Even in Korra she's a big part of what allows for her to disobey her White Lotus guardians, which frankly was reckless even as an old woman to allow to happen. 

Remember when she "learned her lesson" about stealing? She's also willing to destroy a factory, and otherwise reflects behaviors that struggle to comprehend consequence until further into her character developments. She also has some of the most brutal lash outs at the group. 

She's also surprisingly manipulative within her mothering behaviors, but this begins to fade as people begin to trivialize her role in the group more. 

I wouldn't call it dubious, it's just not rigid. She has an idea and gets it done. She stole from pirates and destroyed a weapons factory for the people that killed her mother. She won't betray anyone like Zuko did his uncle for example. 

Xadem said: 

so which element would you guys want to master

Fire 

Good said: 

I finished season one of korra and I really liked it.

If you ignore all the main characters and focus purely on the setting it can be construed as something likeable in post-analysis. It's a marvelous example of world building, even if the pieces within it were used a little strangely. 

Yeah and I love world-building movies, I watched GOT for this reason.

I really hate characters like Amon(not writing-wise, but if he was irl with such characteristics) though and I wanted to see him die.

I liked Amon until they rushed him.

I predicted he is a bender, I still dislike how much power the authority gave him. People like Amon only get as much power as the authority lets them until it gets out of control. He is a terrorist and no one even called him out on it once in a public event. Everyone wanted to pretend he is an irrelevant criminal. Even if he didn't have the ability to remove bending.

I think any bender should learn those regardless.
While I agree in general, I kind of see non-bending like it's own bending element. It's through those limitations that they try harder within their constraints to make something of it, while those gifted will naturally focus on said gifts. 

Some in martial arts think that blending practices is how you dilute your skill into a Jack of All Trades sort while others think that sticking too rigidly to one discipline makes you predictable. I see the messages in both, as your total skill is more about an efficient use of time spent.

You can master one and be decent at the others. The main idea is to let you have the ability to predict your enemy better and come up with good counter strategies in a fight. It is more about the knowledge of the fighting style, not so much to master it. A lot like how Iroh studied other elements to improve his own and to fight them better.

In Korra one problem I took some issue with is the amature way they handle Amon/politics, but when you think of the context, they never had to deal with anything like modern/democratic city politics or terrorists before in the entire history of the world.

They also throw it all away in the following season. It's treated as if it never happened save for a few idle references in the script. 

Well they appointed a president now, who was just as retarded. The avatar said 'send an army or the world ends' and he was like 'nah, if it ends we gotta have one here', cause that will somehow stop the end of the world. Ofc Korra has a bad rep because she is just a teenager and acts like one quite often so there is some justification, why believe such an outrageous claim, even if it comes from the avatar.

A non-bender rebellion made sense, and excited me for the series, but yeah if they had two or three seasons to work on the same villain it could have been a much more dynamic story. 

While it makes sense, the truth is that the non-benders are not really oppressed enough to really care. So they need an inspirational leader that works on the weakest of the non-benders who had some bad dealing with a bender and the leader uses their insecurity to get them into the fold. Then it becomes a chain reaction. But they won't do anything if there is no real oppression.

Also, they never explained why Amon's lineage was that of super benders (spoiler, highlight to see).

They kinda did, at least enough for me to accept it. 

Must have missed it, why was their grandpa such a bender?

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Good said: 

I finished season 2 and I liked it too, but I can see that if you compare the characters in the two series, Korra does not spend much time to develop them. On the other hand, they create the world a lot more. The characters are still OK tho.

Which ones..? 

Season two honestly made a lot of weird choices and left a lot unexplained, like SPIRITS, the FOCUS OF THE SEASON

I only didn't like that I still do not know what was the light that was given to Korra by Tensens spirit gifted child and Korra became a little like a mary sue at the very end fighting evil itself.

Season two basically wrecks the mysticism of it's predecessor, and adds a literal Light/Darkness component to the story that was not originally there and has no place really being there (avatars are really more neutral...). The notion of "A Dark Avatar" is plain dumb, Unalaq's plan when pushed to desperation was pretty stupid, they had no idea what they were doing with the Varrick arc other than with Varrick himself, the twins were a dumb idea, it was clear that they needed somewhere to put season one's characters as filler placeholders so that Korra could do more shit by herself, they kept trying to make Bolin work as a Toph/Sokka fusion to relive the former show's humor style but it comes off hammy and hollow, Korra quite literally gets Amnesia for like, two episodes to showhorn in an unrelated plot...

It was a baaaaad season, I could go on about it for a while

Started season 3.

I don't like one of their villain designs, but the rest of it's an arguably better season. They actually address a lot of LoK's original flaws and convert them into features. Shame about how they handle MORE NEW CHARACTERS

Also for the four or so different main villains the show presents, season three's big bad is my favorite for the series conceptually and for his execution of ideals. 

 

If you ignore all the main characters and focus purely on the setting it can be construed as something likeable in post-analysis. It's a marvelous example of world building, even if the pieces within it were used a little strangely. 

Yeah and I love world-building movies, I watched GOT for this reason.

Gotta love how they wrapped it all up. Without watching the actors outside of the show it'd have just been garbage. 

"BEST SEASON EVER", their lawyer language was a spectacle to watch when they weren't allowed to directly say it was bad. 

I really hate characters like Amon(not writing-wise, but if he was irl with such characteristics) though and I wanted to see him die.

I liked Amon until they rushed him.

I predicted he is a bender, I still dislike how much power the authority gave him. People like Amon only get as much power as the authority lets them until it gets out of control. He is a terrorist and no one even called him out on it once in a public event. Everyone wanted to pretend he is an irrelevant criminal. Even if he didn't have the ability to remove bending.

Imagine how much more fleshed out he could have been with more time

Even their Pro-Bending arc felt really rushed and oddly cobbled in there to try to fit it into the Amon story, but it could have really been two different arcs and handled beautifully if they'd had even just a few more episodes. Even their love triangle could have felt more naturally handled if they weren't so unsure about if they would or wouldn't have a second (and a third) season. 

In Korra one problem I took some issue with is the amature way they handle Amon/politics, but when you think of the context, they never had to deal with anything like modern/democratic city politics or terrorists before in the entire history of the world.

They also throw it all away in the following season. It's treated as if it never happened save for a few idle references in the script. 

Well they appointed a president now, who was just as retarded. The avatar said 'send an army or the world ends' and he was like 'nah, if it ends we gotta have one here', cause that will somehow stop the end of the world. Ofc Korra has a bad rep because she is just a teenager and acts like one quite often so there is some justification, why believe such an outrageous claim, even if it comes from the avatar.

I'm glad they found ways to tie that into the show itself further along more naturally instead of as a phoned in semi-vague ever-constant obstacle. 

I get that she was meant to be taken as a bull headed brash charges without thinking Avatar, and I like how her morality is VERY EASY TO ARGUE as not "Good" as an inversion of Aang's struggles (the entire show is like learning ATLA's lessons backwards). 

A non-bender rebellion made sense, and excited me for the series, but yeah if they had two or three seasons to work on the same villain it could have been a much more dynamic story. 

While it makes sense, the truth is that the non-benders are not really oppressed enough to really care.

The oppression even extended as far as to show a split in their government policies pre-presidential BS, the Triple Triads were never really dealt with beyond some allusion to them at a few random points of the script, and no one uses chi blocking anymore.

Season two aimed to separate themselves from the Ehasz's influence as best they could, and by the end of it quite literally  rips her connection to the former show by force. 

So they need an inspirational leader that works on the weakest of the non-benders who had some bad dealing with a bender and the leader uses their insecurity to get them into the fold. Then it becomes a chain reaction. But they won't do anything if there is no real oppression. 

Also, they never explained why Amon's lineage was that of super benders (spoiler, highlight to see).

They kinda did, at least enough for me to accept it. 

Must have missed it, why was their grandpa such a bender?

I mean they expressed the bloodline through a direct lineage and very specific training, something they expressed somewhat in The Last Airbender (before Republic City trivialized lightning and metal bending). 

I dunno, considering a lot of glaring issues with the series, especially when compared to it's predecessor, that one's a little easier for me to sweep under the rug. 

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Good said: 
Good said:
Not sure where her morals become very dubious. Only during her revenge campaign, but she fixed it by not doing it.

She is one of the most resistant to learning lessons and outside critique. It both leads to her anger and her misbehavior. She lies to the group and cheats the system when it suits her, and if anyone would stop her she chooses instead to work around them. Even in Korra she's a big part of what allows for her to disobey her White Lotus guardians, which frankly was reckless even as an old woman to allow to happen. 

Remember when she "learned her lesson" about stealing? She's also willing to destroy a factory, and otherwise reflects behaviors that struggle to comprehend consequence until further into her character developments. She also has some of the most brutal lash outs at the group. 

She's also surprisingly manipulative within her mothering behaviors, but this begins to fade as people begin to trivialize her role in the group more. 

I wouldn't call it dubious, it's just not rigid. She has an idea and gets it done.

That's quite the understatement. She's more like "My way or the highway" and will ignore her own group if not lie to them to keep to her own agenda. She also doesn't really learn any lessons until she almost kills a dude using her bending in more frightening ways. 

She's not a good person in spite of how much she seems to think herself the part, which is what makes her a fun character. 

She stole from pirates and destroyed a weapons factory for the people that killed her mother.

Complete justification, she just wanted to do what "felt right" at the time. They may have needed to slip that little bit in there to make sure it made it past the Nick censors (they couldn't even say "Kill the Fire Lord" for the longest fucking time). 

For some reason this show really wants to explore thievery and other similar crimes, but it can't really seem to get it off the ground beyond smaller expressions of it. 

She won't betray anyone like Zuko did his uncle for example. 

If they had the time for her, they could have convincingly written it. 

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