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The turds have served their purpose, which is to remove ISIS, which got out of America's control and became a threat to it's power. Giving me flashbacks with Taliban.

It's more profitable for Trump to side with Erdogan than to side with the turds now, so the turds were left to get gangraped and sarin gas'd by Assad.

Which is a shame because I remember that Assad was good to turds. They had more autonomy than turds in Turkey. You couldn't even speak kurdish in public without getting arrested in the 2000s.

The turds need to understand that borders are drawn by blood, not by agreements. We had to fight off a few countries at the same time in Turkish war of independence just to keep our small portion of the ottoman empire.

That's the point tho. ISIS is not entirely defeated and this invasion could result in their resurgence. It's a dumb gamble right now that could undo everything. Like don't quit just before you're done.    

The borders of Rojava have been drawn in blood - ISIS blood! Ya, Erdogan hates the PPK and doesn't want Rojava legitimized but it's not his territory. The Kurds said they would help will resettle the Syrian refugees. All of this is so retarded and will lead to nothing but more war.   

 ISIS is not a threat to any major force right now, neither Turkey or Syria, as they found out the hard way. In fact they play just in Turkey's plans to get rid of the turds.

ISIS blood is not sufficient. When we fought the allies, we had to fight literally every single neighbor who wanted our territory too. Battles are won by force, not by agreement or goodwill.  It's also neither Kurds territory, it's Syrian goverments territory.

Unless Assad himself comes out and says "Hey, turkey can't go there" nothing major will happen. Turkey will do a turd cleanup in the buffer zone then get out since we don't want war with Syria, which I imagine Assad is happy about since he doesn't want any major Kurdish forces up in the north either.

By the end of this, both ISIS, the small rebel armies and kurdish forces will be destroyed and Putin will probably deescalate whatever ensues between Turkey and Syria.

Trump is a fucking retard though, I give you that. This would've been way less messy if he weren't to strengthen the Kurds and let us deal with it ourselves in the first place.

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Turkey never secured peace in the region. NATO members like Canada and the US wouldn't have been working with the Kurds all this time to defeat ISIS if Turkey had control of the situation (and there wouldn't be such a huge migrant crisis). The Kurds have been the strongest allies fighting ISIS. 

No one said Turkey secured peace in the region? It's been a collaborative effort between NATO members and Russia. 

Other rebel groups played just as large a role as the kurds did, what happened to them? I wonder why no one cares about them? 

Turkey has played a huge role both as a buffer-zone between the middle-east and Europe and also houses one of the most important strategic assets the U.S. has in the region, Incirlk Air Base. It is from there in which we've staged our Air Strikes. Without Turkey, the U.S. would not be able to project power in the region. So...in actuality Tukey not only has played an extremely important role in defeating ISIL but also is a key player in overall stability in the region. 

If you want to see instability fund the Kurds against Turkey and watch south eastern Turkey fall into civil war. Now that's the perfect ISIL breading ground. Not only that....Russia will have to get involved because now their border is threatened. 

And NATO is not united on this. Macron has been meeting with the SDF to confirm France's support - even up to yesterday. He also invited SDF leaders to the last summit. Canada has said they won't let their ally fall (lets see if this is true).  

Even some of the biggest GOP butt-kissers like Linsdey Graham are against the US pulling out.

The only ones who will benefit are putin, erdogan and assad. It's really bizarre. 

 Those are all feelings and do not matter. 

What matters is what's on paper and on paper Turkey is a NATO member and arguably the most important other than Germany. 

If this is how everyone feels then a discussion will have to be had between all NATO members and then formal action can be taken against Turkey.

Any other way is the true path to conflict.

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AliceInWonderland said: 
 Those are all feelings and do not matter. 
What matters is what's on paper and on paper Turkey is a NATO member and arguably the most important other than Germany. 

If this is how everyone feels then a discussion will have to be had between all NATO members and then formal action can be taken against Turkey.

Any other way is the true path to conflict.

 

It's not about feelings. It's about alliances and a unilateral move by a NATO member to pull out with no exit plan with its allies. LOL - better run Jim 

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AliceInWonderland said: 
 Those are all feelings and do not matter. 
What matters is what's on paper and on paper Turkey is a NATO member and arguably the most important other than Germany. 

If this is how everyone feels then a discussion will have to be had between all NATO members and then formal action can be taken against Turkey.

Any other way is the true path to conflict.

 

It's not about feelings. It's about alliances and a unilateral move by a NATO member to pull out with no exit plan with its allies. LOL - better run Jim 

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erdogan most likely played tf out of trump, telling him 'you said you'd be out, we can fight this war for you and you can keep your campaign promise'. having such a doofus as ur president has serious drawbacks lmao
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AliceInWonderland said: 
 Those are all feelings and do not matter. 
What matters is what's on paper and on paper Turkey is a NATO member and arguably the most important other than Germany. 

If this is how everyone feels then a discussion will have to be had between all NATO members and then formal action can be taken against Turkey.

Any other way is the true path to conflict.

 

It's not about feelings. It's about alliances and a unilateral move by a NATO member to pull out with no exit plan with its allies. LOL - better run Jim 

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We have been planing pulling out for close to a year:

Pulling out of Syria: A primer

 Trump shocks allies and advisers with plan to pull US troops out of Syria

Furthermore this event has been a year in the making: 

Trump Abandons Syria's Kurds: Will Turkey Now Crush Their Dream of a 'Secular Utopia?'

Syrian surprise: How Trump's phone call changed the war

I've literally been waiting for this to occur for like 6 months based on the news coming out of the region. 

Just because you haven't been paying attention doesn't mean this all happened all of a sudden. 

Exactly, it's about alliances and we are formerly allied with Turkey...a NATO member. 

We are not formerly allied with the Kurds we merely had a relationship. 

Alliances > Relationships 

Also, our unilateral moves that led to a civil war in Syria and then another unilateral move to supply and fund an organization at war with a NATO member caused that NATO member to make a unilateral move in defending its hegemony. 

The moment the Obama administration established a relationship with the Kurds was the moment this invasion became a possibility. The moment the Kurds linked their two territories was the moment this invasion became a guarantee. 

Cause and effect is a bitch. 

last edit on 10/9/2019 7:06:42 PM
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AliceInWonderland said: 
 Those are all feelings and do not matter. 
What matters is what's on paper and on paper Turkey is a NATO member and arguably the most important other than Germany. 

If this is how everyone feels then a discussion will have to be had between all NATO members and then formal action can be taken against Turkey.

Any other way is the true path to conflict.

 

It's not about feelings. It's about alliances and a unilateral move by a NATO member to pull out with no exit plan with its allies. LOL - better run Jim 

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We have been planing pulling out for close to a year:

Pulling out of Syria: A primer

 Trump shocks allies and advisers with plan to pull US troops out of Syria

Furthermore this event has been a year in the making: 

Trump Abandons Syria's Kurds: Will Turkey Now Crush Their Dream of a 'Secular Utopia?'

Syrian surprise: How Trump's phone call changed the war

I've literally been waiting for this to occur for like 6 months based on the news coming out of the region. 

Just because you haven't been paying attention doesn't mean this all happened all of a sudden. 

Exactly, it's about alliances and we are formerly allied with Turkey...a NATO member. 

We are not formerly allied with the Kurds we merely have had a relationship. 

Alliances > Relationships 

Also, our unilateral moves that led to a civil war in Syria and then another unilateral move to supply and fund an organization at war with a NATO member caused that NATO member to make a unilateral move in defending its hegemony. 

The moment the Obama administration established a relationship with the Kurds was the moment this invasion became a possibility. The moment the Kurds linked their two territories was the moment this invasion became a guarantee. 

Cause and effect is a bitch. 

Ya, everyone knows trump said he would leave Syria. That's not news but thank you for the links. Most people (including many in his party) made the mistake of thinking he would do it strategically. lol

Also the US is an alliance with all the members of NATO - not just one. 

 

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AliceInWonderland said: 
 Those are all feelings and do not matter. 
What matters is what's on paper and on paper Turkey is a NATO member and arguably the most important other than Germany. 

If this is how everyone feels then a discussion will have to be had between all NATO members and then formal action can be taken against Turkey.

Any other way is the true path to conflict.

 

It's not about feelings. It's about alliances and a unilateral move by a NATO member to pull out with no exit plan with its allies. LOL - better run Jim 

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We have been planing pulling out for close to a year:

Pulling out of Syria: A primer

 Trump shocks allies and advisers with plan to pull US troops out of Syria

Furthermore this event has been a year in the making: 

Trump Abandons Syria's Kurds: Will Turkey Now Crush Their Dream of a 'Secular Utopia?'

Syrian surprise: How Trump's phone call changed the war

I've literally been waiting for this to occur for like 6 months based on the news coming out of the region. 

Just because you haven't been paying attention doesn't mean this all happened all of a sudden. 

Exactly, it's about alliances and we are formerly allied with Turkey...a NATO member. 

We are not formerly allied with the Kurds we merely have had a relationship. 

Alliances > Relationships 

Also, our unilateral moves that led to a civil war in Syria and then another unilateral move to supply and fund an organization at war with a NATO member caused that NATO member to make a unilateral move in defending its hegemony. 

The moment the Obama administration established a relationship with the Kurds was the moment this invasion became a possibility. The moment the Kurds linked their two territories was the moment this invasion became a guarantee. 

Cause and effect is a bitch. 

Ya, everyone knows trump said he would leave Syria. That's not news but thank you for the links. Most people (including many in his party) made the mistake of thinking he would do it strategically. lol

Also the US is an alliance with all the members of NATO - not just one. 

 

 lol Jesus Christ you have no idea what's going on. 

 

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Exactly, it's about alliances and we are formerly allied with Turkey...a NATO member. 

 

 

 lol Jesus Christ you have no idea what's going on. 

 

Uhm, not to be mean but I don't think you do, tbh. I know you love trump but i don't think people should just blindly follow. 

In Trump's "great and unmatched wisdom" below he doesn't have much of an alliance with Turkey. Meanwhile, Turkey is completely ignoring his threats and bombing the shit out of Syria lol. I mean they don't even take him seriously.

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last edit on 10/9/2019 8:48:39 PM
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Girls, no need to fight, there's enough turkish yogurt in my pants for both of u

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