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Sturm88 said: 
Turncoat said:
What if it's done purely referentially, as a meme instead of as a self-affirming character trait?

Basically, what if Jim or Xadem made some jokes instead of Cawk's... err, format?

A pro CP/pedophilia meme? I don’t think a humorous meme would be a big issue or a harmless joke. Use common sense. 

Where's the line though? We have people like Jim liable to do a little jig on it.

This is a bit more than a "common sense" issue, especially when people having an aligned sense of common sense is largely uncommon.

I for one don’t want to see any of you naked. 

Your loss.

Re: Removing the banned persons content, the wording will change to “May” instead of “will be”. Good point, don’t want any valuable posts removed and then have an entire thread potentially lacking context. So, that won’t happen. 

Cool.

 Common sense.. well, if it's a harmless joke/jab thrown in here and there.. I see no harm. If someone is showing a pattern of pro pedo memes/comments then that will become a problem. Talking about pedophilia isn't an issue, it's pro-pedophilia content that is. 


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I'm the people's favorite one.

 You're alright, I guess. 

 

Billy said:
why the fuck would you keep the images? and do you often let people influence your decisions? not that that a bad thing, just wondering. did they use logic to convince you or other means?

 The nudes was not serious. 
Other means were used, ask Primal.. she knows the tactics. 

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Sturm88 said: 
Sturm88 said: 
Turncoat said:
What if it's done purely referentially, as a meme instead of as a self-affirming character trait?

Basically, what if Jim or Xadem made some jokes instead of Cawk's... err, format?

A pro CP/pedophilia meme? I don’t think a humorous meme would be a big issue or a harmless joke. Use common sense. 

Where's the line though? We have people like Jim liable to do a little jig on it.

This is a bit more than a "common sense" issue, especially when people having an aligned sense of common sense is largely uncommon.

I for one don’t want to see any of you naked. 

Your loss.

Re: Removing the banned persons content, the wording will change to “May” instead of “will be”. Good point, don’t want any valuable posts removed and then have an entire thread potentially lacking context. So, that won’t happen. 

Cool.

Common sense.. 

Alright, I'm going to give this shpeal again, as those two words are not a circumstantial "Abra Kadabra": 

Fuck "common sense", it's an illusory layman that means something different for everyone. 

People keep borrowing this idea of "common sense" like it's common or something, but typically when they allude to it it's not over how it is common, but how it ought to be because of how common it is for them and, by extension, their idea of people (or occasionally by looking at a self-lacking and seeing others able to do it, but they can't usually see that stuff). 

As pretty as it sounds philosophically, the Noosphere (supplementary wiki link) is not an objective reality. We do not have some collective human unconsciousness that will just tell us what the "common sense" is, it's largely assumed through our projective lenses as a way to confirm what "should be obvious to us". 

There's a bias fallacy for that: 

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I've been arguing against this bullshit answer for years. Like, how can't someone expect disappointment when they expect someone to "just wing it" in the way they would do it as if that was everyone? 

well if it's a harmless joke/jab thrown in here and there.. I see no harm. If someone is showing a pattern of pro pedo memes/comments then that will become a problem. Talking about pedophilia isn't an issue, it's pro-pedophilia content that is. 

Where's the line there between a meme and legitimate enjoyment of it? 

We had this same issue during Edgecomm. 

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last edit on 8/6/2019 8:08:20 PM
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You appear to be overthinking this. What is your (general "you") motivation for posting the said meme/joke/whatever.. that's pro-cp? Someone who isn't autistic is pretty good at detecting overall motivation and intent. So if a user is genuinely just playing around harmlessly here and there, there's no harm. If you (general "you" again) are doing it to be legitimately be pro cp or are doing it to intentionally push pro-pedo content to push back at the no pro-pedo content rule, then 'you' should expect it will be deleted and if it's been a consistent pattern you'll get warned. Common sense pretty much is using your logic in any given situation. I realize not everyone does this. I feel most people will understand this simple rule and why it's there, and no further explanation is needed. 

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Sturm88 said: 

You appear to be overthinking this.

No, you're underthinking it from not knowing this place's history. 

This isn't even something that's never happened before, this is standard for this lot. They always dance on the line, and not defining terms more strongly is how to have mods be construed as "abusive". 

We also have people like "Spatial" at the helm now, we need something a little more solid than "Common Sense" or he'll just start deleting things that don't even break rules and he'll be given a pass for it. It'd make this little different from when Luna went nutbar insane. 

What is your (general "you") motivation for posting the said meme/joke/whatever.. that's pro-cp?


So if a user is genuinely just playing around harmlessly here and there, there's no harm. If you (general "you" again) are doing it to be legitimately be pro cp or are doing it to intentionally push pro-pedo content to push back at the no pro-pedo content rule, then 'you' should expect it will be deleted and if it's been a consistent pattern you'll get warned.

Cawk could be said to be doing it as a joke instead of as an expression of actual pedophilic desires, same for Jim really, very easily. 

This is why I've made it more about "Oversaturation". 

Someone who isn't autistic is pretty good at detecting overall motivation and intent.

You say that now, but our mod history in both S-C and Discord have shown that we can't just go with "their better judgement", for years

We can't just leave it up to a mod's "best discression", as you can even argue it being left to that is what got it to this point in the first place. 

Common sense pretty much is using your logic in any given situation.

You see though, the logic that springs forth from it isn't as common as "Common Sense" would make it out to be. 

I had numerous debates with a guy named "Whoameye" over notions of "Common Sense", and that dude claims to have raped his brother as an expression of power. It's a fallback argument lazy people here use to figure that "people agree with me already", which even when they do in a more overt way tend to have discrepencies in the subtler areas, like how to handle it, where to draw the line, etc.

It's worth considering where you're peddling the phrase "Common Sense", let alone continuing to promote the myth that it's common at all. With how much time I've spent studying people, a portion of that's gone into dispelling the "Common Sense" notion from seeing that, person-to-person, that the biggest thing it has in common solely is just it's title and the idea that other people must be like themselves (a mistake both Inq and Spatial make over two wildly different bases of belief). 

I realize not everyone does this. I feel most people will understand this simple rule and why it's there, and no further explanation is needed. 

It needs to be official with as little room to be vague as possible. The more vague it is the more it can serve to become a popularity contest with the room to call bias towards the mods, and with that a snowball of drama against them. 

Keeping it vague is how the mods and admins can be left free to do most anything, and they cannot be trusted with that kind of power if our extensive history is to be taken into account. 

To be honest this current means of handling it already leaves enough of a bad taste in my mouth, and I'll have trouble continuing modding for it if we hit a point where mods are simply allowed to do whatever they want. The mods need to be held accountable in ways that level them down to the user level, a janitorial service instead of some benevolent deity deputization. 

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Turncoat said:
We also have people like "Spatial" at the helm now, we need something a little more solid than "Common Sense" or he'll just start deleting things that don't even break rules and he'll be given a pass for it. It'd make this little different from when Luna went nutbar insane.

 I never deleted anything that wasn't against the rules. 

The fact I even have to come out and say that.... Take a chill pill.

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Turncoat said:
We also have people like "Spatial" at the helm now, we need something a little more solid than "Common Sense" or he'll just start deleting things that don't even break rules and he'll be given a pass for it. It'd make this little different from when Luna went nutbar insane.

 I never deleted anything that wasn't against the rules. 

The fact I even have to come out and say that.... Take a chill pill.

I'm sure with people you are wary of that you'd want more straight forward protocols to stop them from running amok, right? 

We need to be held accountable. 

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0 votes RE: MissC and Sturm convinc...

I'm more relaxed than you are.

And Nate ? That time you started posting up my Family's business and contact. It was fair game to take it down. Also, Michael took the initiative to do that.

Did it bother you so much that stuff you posted was taken down ?

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This isn't related to what I'm talking about, this is just yet more ad hom. 

You take this too personal, which is a flaw for any mod. You don't see me specifically getting weird about how you keep posting me or Jim's dox info, I respond on topic.

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last edit on 8/6/2019 9:01:38 PM
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0 votes RE: MissC and Sturm convinc...

This isn't related to what I'm talking about, this is just yet more ad hom. 

You take this too personal, which is a flaw for any mod. You don't see me specifically getting weird about how you keep posting me or Jim's dox info, I respond on topic.

 It's related. What else did I ever delete other than CP and images at the request of others ?

And everyone knows your name, it's not like I'm doxxing you, and it's funny how you're bringing  Jim into this for some reason.

If I'm giving you a hard time, it's because I demand the truth. I don't like false.

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