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Dragoonback said: 

Capitalists didn't make it. Did you not hear me say tech workers? I swear you might be daft on purpose. 

 Capitalists create jobs, and then there is something called "Mass Production"

Gemini tell him.

Gemini said:

Yes, mass-produced GPUs are a direct product of capitalism.

 I spared you the long talk.

Did you think tech workers would magically get established and work for free ?

No.

Nvidia is the world's largest company. And they are an American company. 

So are your devices, video games, that screen you're using. All the electronics you enjoy. Capitalism. Or else you'd never have it. 

You're welcome.  

You're confusing capitalism with industrial production. Mass production is a manufacturing process, not an economic system exclusive to capitalism.

Workers don't need to work for free under socialism either. Socialism doesn't mean the absence of wages, compensation, investment, or technological development. It concerns who owns and controls the means of production.

Capitalists don't personally create the labor, technical knowledge, or resources necessary to manufacture GPUs. Engineers, technicians, miners, factory workers, and researchers perform that work. Capitalists finance and organize production within the existing system, but that doesn't establish that private ownership is the only possible way to coordinate it.

Nvidia being an American corporation proves that Nvidia operates under capitalism. It doesn't prove GPUs could only exist under capitalism. You're taking the conditions under which something was produced and treating those conditions as logically necessary for its existence.

And asking Gemini to agree with you isn't an argument. You still need to demonstrate why mass production, technological innovation, and paid labor would be impossible without private capitalist ownership.

Nope once again....

Gemini said:

Yes, mass-produced GPUs are a direct product of capitalism.

 And GPU and TPU and all that goes with it = Artificial Intelligence. 

Trust me. It's really thanks to capitalism that we have these things. 

Now in the case someone can build a GPU on their own.... It's not you, nor are you going to have their GPU.

No one can really make a GPU on their own though. Not on the level of a Radeon or GeForce card. Like they can try, but it's not happening in this lifetime. 

All of your technology. All of it. 

SEGA. Konami. Microsoft. What's that game you like to play = Capitalism.

Look out the window. Everything you see has been on a truck at some point, every brick of the structure you're in, and EVERYTHING, you call yours. It's been on a truck. 

If it weren't for capitalism, the nicest thing you'd own would probably be something made of leather you bartered for from some tribe. 

And the people who drive the trucks are proles, not capitalists. You're still wrong to conflate what workers invent and do, with capitalism that simply takes from workers through things such as landlords taking rent from workers so they, the landlord, can have passive income.

Any observer that validates our claims, wouldn't agree with you.

Your favorite toys and the data center Ai are a byproduct of capitalism. 

People don't work for free. 

Landlords are often actually property management businesses, or part of one, that are contractually obliged to provide certain services.  I honestly couldn't tell you how profitable it really would be.  I've seen many other businesses folding from the economic mismanagement and in different types of industries.  Their own costs are quite high; including the costs of living for their employees, etc.  I suppose it's too simple a view that it's like one individual is reaping all the rewards as some form of exploitation.  What is the argument against what nature has demonstrated as its modus operandi for as long as the food chain was invented?  What is the defense for prey in this ecosystem?

Spatial Mind said: 

Any observer that validates our claims, wouldn't agree with you.

Your favorite toys and the data center Ai are a byproduct of capitalism. 

People don't work for free. 

Capitalism doesn't equal wages. You are simply wrong about what capitalism even is and are conflating it with what the working class do and it's the working class that have their productive wages taken for people who have passive income. 

Buttered Toast said:

Landlords are often actually property management businesses, or part of one, that are contractually obliged to provide certain services. I honestly couldn't tell you how profitable it really would be. I've seen many other businesses folding from the economic mismanagement and in different types of industries. Their own costs are quite high; including the costs of living for their employees, etc. I suppose it's too simple a view that it's like one individual is reaping all the rewards as some form of exploitation. What is the argument against what nature has demonstrated as its modus operandi for as long as the food chain was invented? What is the defense for prey in this ecosystem?

The overall lose of productivity is larger than whatever service ends up being provided. Those services are still from workers such as plumbers and technicians any ways, who are contracted from the money taken from the worker by the landlord. Appealing to nature is a fallacy and food chains are more of a myth that go against the determinism of reality.

Dragoonback said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

Any observer that validates our claims, wouldn't agree with you.

Your favorite toys and the data center Ai are a byproduct of capitalism. 

People don't work for free. 

Capitalism doesn't equal wages. You are simply wrong about what capitalism even is and are conflating it with what the working class do and it's the working class that have their productive wages taken for people who have passive income. 

I deny that.

Everything I wrote is correct.