Can't seem to get past your first sentences.
Probably because the first sentences already expose how illogical your argument is.
Nah. They're always the same. Your arguments are a strategy. No substance. Your plan is deny, rewrite, repeat. It's a skin on a single frame.
It's ironic that you call me prideful when this started with you asserting an unsubstantiated pattern as a "law." I challenged the logic of that claim, and instead of establishing why it's actually a law, you've increasingly shifted toward describing my character and supposed strategy.
That's also why I think saying you're projecting has some merit. You tend to use insults and threats strategically, so you seem to interpret my refusal to do that as some kind of strategy of my own.
I can get some satisfaction from seeing someone contradict themselves or fail to reason properly, but I hold that impulse back. I'd rather delay the gratification and keep my reasoning intact. That's one of the practical rewards of paying attention to logic and fallacies. An insult might feel better immediately, but a stronger argument is more useful.
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Nah. They're always the same. Your arguments are a strategy. No substance. Your plan is deny, rewrite, repeat. It's a skin on a single frame.
It's ironic that you call me prideful when this started with you asserting an unsubstantiated pattern as a "law." I challenged the logic of that claim, and instead of establishing why it's actually a law, you've increasingly shifted toward describing my character and supposed strategy.
Lie. It started on page 2. You just wanted to argue.
You're really dunce and I gave you too much attention, it's impacting my workflow.
Lie. It started on page 2. You just wanted to argue.
You're really dunce and I gave you too much attention, it's impacting my workflow.
No, you're deliberately misrepresenting what I said. When I said "this started with you," I was obviously referring to the specific argument I was addressing: your page 8 claim that this is a "law."
Bringing up page 2 doesn't refute anything I've said about your page 8 claim. Nor does saying I "just wanted to argue." That's an assertion about my motive, not an argument against my reasoning.
If you think my criticism of your "law" claim is wrong, address that criticism directly. Otherwise, you're just shifting the subject.
Spatial Mind said:It's a good thing you don't believe in procreation, your kid would be so fucked.
Everyone is fucked by time, circumstance, suffering, and eventually death. It's easy to scoff at death abstractly, but accepting the reality of those constraints is another matter. People are constantly affected by circumstances outside their control, and understanding that requires at least some cognitive empathy.
From my perspective, this is also part of why I don't see childlessness as something negative. If I'm trying to break free of samsara, then not creating another person means I'm not bringing someone else into the cycle of suffering, attachment, and death. Whatever else you think of that philosophy, a hypothetical child isn't being deprived of a life by not existing. They're simply never subjected to the suffering and death that would necessarily come with existing.
And no, that's not the same as being suicidal, regardless of how often you use that as an attack. Choosing not to create someone who would inevitably face suffering and death is fundamentally different from wanting to end your own existing life. My position is about not imposing existence on someone who never asked for it.
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Just to get it out of the way, twin flame connections aren't soulmates, it's a chaotic connection where both parties have something to learn from one another. It has a runner chaser dynamic that also switches up between the two. These connections are contracts and it both parties gain something they need. What I learned is to be fine without the love of my life. You might imagine the benefits of being at peace with such a thing, though I don't find it quite comfortable.
I had this therapist once who was actually awful, and I couldn’t take most of what he said seriously cos he was horrendously overweight, but the one concept he did introduce me to that I found actually beneficial was the concept of the drama triangle.
it’s probably something worth looking up as the internet can probably explain it better than I can, but basically it’s the idea that there are three points on the triangle: persecutor, victim, and helper. And people in unhealthy relationships who lack boundaries often either get stuck in one of these roles or oscillate between them.
he was telling me about it cos as a middle child of parents with problems I kinda get permanently stuck in the helper role, always trying to jump in and solve people’s problems but then wondering why I end up with manchildren who can’t work their own microwave and friends who need support but aren’t necessarily there to reciprocate.
it actually sounds like you in all your relationships kinda go between being victim and persecutor, and there’s part of you that even quite likes being in the role of the victim. I’d say it’s possible to step off the triangle and put some boundaries in, but I have a feeling you actually like the drama and wouldn’t want to
Potentially all 3. Not sure what would make me the persecutor though. Talking about it ? This thread is after all about giving up and I simply brought up the one thing I never wanted to give up on.
I'm a helper too and often take on the role of caregiver without any expectations of returns.
Victim. I've been there but my practices doesn't keep me in the victim mindset. Rather things go smoothly
see, to me you seem to come off as the victim in literally the way you describe all your irl relationships, not just this woman but with your family and the frenemy ex roommate etc. It feels like you describe it in a way where you’re always being persecuted and you’re taking the moral high ground by not responding, like being a victim gives you a moral superiority
and I’m saying persecutor as well cos you do kinda come off as a misogynist arsehole sometimes on here and that must come out in your day to day life sometimes.
like, I know you say you’re taking the high ground in not responding and doing it passive aggressively but to me it comes off as just passive, how you don’t do anything at the time but later complain about being the victim. But maybe there’s cultural differences and stuff and it’s difficult to tell the situation by the way you describe it, it’s just how I’m reading it
I'll leave the soul stuff there and talk about what's happened and what's happening.
Usually I like a woman with a little meat on her bones. Curvy. I'd take a hefty bitch over a skinny princess if I had to be honest. This woman however is quite flat. There isn't a single thing about her I admire except how pretty I think she is. If I had to stand in front of a crowd and say nice things about her, I'd have nothing. Once she went and got me a cupcake. Once. I used to wonder if she casted a spell on me cause I think I'd be happier cuddling with her than banging her. That is, more dopamine from cuddling instead of sex. That's a profound statement and showcases how deeply I feel for her for no visible reason.
is this a roundabout way of saying you usually only think of women as sex objects but you actually quite liked this woman’s personality XD
Roundabout. Is that a British accent I hear ? Could be Scottish or whatever. You're European so you wouldn't sound like me anyway.
You might be onto something. At some point I'll say hey let's go out in the back then figure out what we're gonna do. It's more interesting to me. For her I would've given it all up. Another thing about the whole "something to learn" aspect of this connection. She managed to broaden my taste in women and I really would've had no problem exchanging any physical attraction I'd have toward others for her. While I'd check out a scrawny woman now, I'm not settled.
ok so you learned something from the relationship so that’s good. I do still think you’re overstating the connection and you could just take what you’ve learned and go and find someone who isn’t insane. It’d be interesting to hear her take on it and how much you mean to her
Probably not.
Besides if I did that she can always reach me on facebook using the messenger app or some shit. I would need to delete social media and make a new one with a new alias. Too much work, plus I never use the thing, I just keep an open channel to it so people can reach me. Extended family and the such.
Another thing. I like to keep a record of all her texts and call logs. It's for my protection. She might have a crazy ass episode and accuse me of something, then I can prove that I never call her. All my mobile devices live with me and I'll boot them up once or twice a year.
If I really wanted to get rid of her, I'd just tell her I don't want her anymore and to never contact me again and I'd tell her why. For now I've made it so the climate around me isn't the same. I don't respond to her texts unless it's about me, and she will text from now on, that I assure you. I did that. I call it an energetic block and I created it as a way to demand respect.
like, you could still literally just block her on all platforms and devices rather than having an energetic block, that actually sounds like less work XD
but yeah, I take your point about giving up on her, just seems to me like you’re so hung up on this past connection that you’ll always compare future connections to that when actually maybe there wasn’t that much there in the first place
But yes giving up. And i know in order for things to enter our lives, we have to let other things go. It's a law.
That's not actually a law. There is no physical or scientific law stating that something new entering your life requires something else to leave it. At most, it's a metaphor based on limited resources like time, attention, money, or physical space. You can gain a new friend without losing another, learn something new without necessarily losing existing knowledge, or experience something new without giving up an equivalent experience. Calling it a "law" turns a situational observation into a universal claim without evidence.
DragoonGPT, for the love of god or whatever deity you hold dear, you need to give it a fucking rest now with the AI.
we’ve all got access to large language models, any one of us could just copy and paste people’s posts and ask it to critically analyse or pick holes in their arguments or whatever. You could’ve at least paid for the premium version and done it in work mode or whatever so it could give you a tone of voice or personality or something
what few people remain here are actually coming here to interact with supposedly real people (ok, maybe like the same five people on a load of puppet accounts) not wade through AI slop or talk with a chatbot, there are thousands of other places to do that
whatever it is you’re insecure about, your English or your writing or whatever, that’s only gonna get better with lots of (non AI) practice and there are absolutely no shortcuts to this, trust me
It is law. You posted your image in public. I saved a copy. Your permission isn't required. When you post your image and people take it there's nothing you can do about it, You can try to fight it, your own lawyer would laugh.
You're moving the goalposts by turning a question about consent, boundaries, and trustworthiness into a debate about whether saving a publicly posted image is legal. I never made the legal claim you're arguing against. Legality doesn't answer the criticism, so repeatedly invoking “the law” is just changing the subject to a premise you've constructed yourself. Your claims may not have changed in your own mind, but your framing of them has repeatedly changed to avoid addressing the substance.
Gypsy said:DragoonGPT, for the love of god or whatever deity you hold dear, you need to give it a fucking rest now with the AI. We’ve all got access to large language models, any one of us could just copy and paste people’s posts and ask it to critically analyse or pick holes in their arguments or whatever. You could’ve at least paid for the premium version and done it in work mode or whatever so it could give you a tone of voice or personality or something. What few people remain here are actually coming here to interact with supposedly real people (ok, maybe like the same five people on a load of puppet accounts) not wade through AI slop or talk with a chatbot, there are thousands of other places to do that. Whatever it is you’re insecure about, your English or your writing or whatever, that’s only gonna get better with lots of (non AI) practice and there are absolutely no shortcuts to this, trust me
The lecture about my English is based on an assumption you made, not on anything I've actually demonstrated. My casual forum typing is not evidence that I'm incapable of writing clearly, and my grammar is generally fine when I'm actually writing formally rather than typing quickly and casually.
You also seem to be inventing an insecurity for me because you need an explanation for why I use AI. I use it because it's useful for organizing arguments, checking reasoning, and refining wording. That's not evidence that I lack the ability to think or write independently. And “there are absolutely no shortcuts” is just another unnecessary generalization. Tools exist precisely because they can make certain tasks more efficient. Using one doesn't somehow invalidate the underlying reasoning.
If you don't like AI-assisted posts, that's your preference. But turning that preference into a lecture about my supposed insecurities, English ability, or lack of practice doesn't establish anything about me. It's just speculation presented as though you've diagnosed the reason I use a tool.
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Potentially all 3. Not sure what would make me the persecutor though. Talking about it ? This thread is after all about giving up and I simply brought up the one thing I never wanted to give up on.
I'm a helper too and often take on the role of caregiver without any expectations of returns.
Victim. I've been there but my practices doesn't keep me in the victim mindset. Rather things go smoothly
see, to me you seem to come off as the victim in literally the way you describe all your irl relationships, not just this woman but with your family and the frenemy ex roommate etc. It feels like you describe it in a way where you’re always being persecuted and you’re taking the moral high ground by not responding, like being a victim gives you a moral superiority
Never described all my relationships, and I recall mentioning being the favorite in my inner circles and extended family. As for my older Brother. He never just lost me, he lost everyone.
and I’m saying persecutor as well cos you do kinda come off as a misogynist arsehole sometimes on here and that must come out in your day to day life sometimes.
Ha ha ha. Yes, some will think that. It's not to be generalized against women though. I just don't like some people, and some people, are female.
I think this is normal for everyone, is it not ?
like, I know you say you’re taking the high ground in not responding and doing it passive aggressively but to me it comes off as just passive, how you don’t do anything at the time but later complain about being the victim. But maybe there’s cultural differences and stuff and it’s difficult to tell the situation by the way you describe it, it’s just how I’m reading it
I never said I never responded. If anything I was compliant.
"If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. For by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head."
- King Solomon
Those are righteous flames, that pave the way for contemplation rather than entanglement, and far wiser than giving in and giving the reaction they hoped for.
Yes, when people do shit like that, they want to manipulate you into some kind of tirade.
Also the title of this thread, it's about giving up. Bringing this up wasn't a bad example in terms of giving up.
is this a roundabout way of saying you usually only think of women as sex objects but you actually quite liked this woman’s personality XD
Roundabout. Is that a British accent I hear ? Could be Scottish or whatever. You're European so you wouldn't sound like me anyway.
You might be onto something. At some point I'll say hey let's go out in the back then figure out what we're gonna do. It's more interesting to me. For her I would've given it all up. Another thing about the whole "something to learn" aspect of this connection. She managed to broaden my taste in women and I really would've had no problem exchanging any physical attraction I'd have toward others for her. While I'd check out a scrawny woman now, I'm not settled.
ok so you learned something from the relationship so that’s good. I do still think you’re overstating the connection and you could just take what you’ve learned and go and find someone who isn’t insane. It’d be interesting to hear her take on it and how much you mean to her
As a reminder, again. This is the "Giving in to Giving up" thread. I brought this up, because I did give up.
- Haven't called her in 15 years. ( Yet she'd always come knocking, there's a reason for this. )
- In 2024 I broke the cycle, for a change. ( Told her I'm only going to deal with respectable people from now on )
Her take, she'll either say nice things, or say things about us in a cold way. Probably something along the lines of we're not that close. This is the part where people will come at me, but I'm not the one who calls or maintains the connection, nor am I the one playing games, or breadcrumbs. It's not my idea to go on a trips, or hang out.
One time she asked, "when you see me can you hug me ?" And why ? Because I do not hug her when I see her, I'm not another one of her orbiters, this has to do with multiple past experiences, plus I do not chase and never will. Makes me sound like the bad guy, but if I did any of that, I certainly will be, as you say, "overstating the connection".
In 2024 one of the last things she said to me on the phone was that I'm kind and patient and a list of other kind words she's never told me before. It was some kind of breadcrumbing, cause when she asked if I was dating anyone, I said yes. She did a 180 and out came the disrespect, that's when I closed the connection.
Heh. She wanted to go on a picnic with me. First. Then have one with her other friends. ( She calls them guy friends. I don't know them and never will ) That's what she wanted me to know, that it was me first. She also accused me of wanting to take her out, meanwhile the whole thing was her idea.
I do think if you had a chance to hear her side, whatever the hell that would be, you'd take her word over mine. Doesn't matter, cause this is the "giving in to giving up" thread, and I've been giving up until I finally did.
Probably not.
Besides if I did that she can always reach me on facebook using the messenger app or some shit. I would need to delete social media and make a new one with a new alias. Too much work, plus I never use the thing, I just keep an open channel to it so people can reach me. Extended family and the such.
Another thing. I like to keep a record of all her texts and call logs. It's for my protection. She might have a crazy ass episode and accuse me of something, then I can prove that I never call her. All my mobile devices live with me and I'll boot them up once or twice a year.
If I really wanted to get rid of her, I'd just tell her I don't want her anymore and to never contact me again and I'd tell her why. For now I've made it so the climate around me isn't the same. I don't respond to her texts unless it's about me, and she will text from now on, that I assure you. I did that. I call it an energetic block and I created it as a way to demand respect.
like, you could still literally just block her on all platforms and devices rather than having an energetic block, that actually sounds like less work XD
That's your preference. Me, i'll just tell them straight up and that's what I did. Blocking people doesn't work. I'd have to change my social media too. I don't use FB but here I'm seeing I have 178 people. Some of them are memorial accounts from lost people. This isn't something that will be done in a day. Or even a month. All that and I still kinda love the bitch, so by design, she only has 2 options when it comes to me, and that's how I like it.
but yeah, I take your point about giving up on her, just seems to me like you’re so hung up on this past connection that you’ll always compare future connections to that when actually maybe there wasn’t that much there in the first place
It isn't hard for new connections to destroy that one. All a man really wants is respect, if not loving her is cursed. I do not want another one of those. Just went 9 years with my last GF, and now things are pretty much dead. No grudges, When that ex calls, I pick up and we're laughing away. I have a better time with this one than that.
The only women I'd compare to my love, would be a woman who makes me suffer lol. I kid you not.