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Turncoat said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Don't sympathise with weakness.

That's the whole point of sympathy, wtf you on about? 

 Lol

Turncoat said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Don't sympathise with weakness.

That's the whole point of sympathy, wtf you on about? 

 If a child spills a glass of milk and starts balling. Don't sympathise. They'll grow up to be whiny. 

Being in pain or suffering isn't weakness, but raising a fuss over dumb shit is. 

When grown people have tantrums and they're rolling around on the floor. The sympathiser is an enabler, even if the subject is an adult.

You see a grown ass person having a tantrum over something like say, politics, it's weakness and not worthy of respect. To sympathise with such a person for such a reason, is shameful for the sympathiser.

Explain to me what makes sense to sympathize with then. 

Sigh..... Turncoat just let it go.

I know, you know, everyone knows that he just made a quick post without really thinking it through and he meant to say something like, dont sympathize with people who are entitled assholes.

You're just going to place him on another stupid hill that he'll defend to his death over admitting he posted something a bit carelessly.... I don't want another 50 page exchange over this nonsense, its so draining and pointless and by now has zero entertainment value. I want the conversation to evolve. Aren't you exhausted of these infinite loops?

What do you think about what I proposed to you?

Jada said: 

Sigh..... Turncoat just let it go.

I know, you know, everyone knows that he just made a quick post without really thinking it through and he meant to say something like, dont sympathize with people who are entitled assholes.

Excuse me amnesia man. But I've stated multiple times how I don't respect weakness, and stressed how it deserves no respect. You'd be wrong to assume "everyone knows he just made a quick post without really thinking it through" though I don't respect entitled assholes either. 

I don't respect suicide either. 

You're just going to place him on another stupid hill that he'll defend to his death over admitting he posted something a bit carelessly.... I don't want another 50 page exchange over this nonsense, its so draining and pointless and by now has zero entertainment value. I want the conversation to evolve. Aren't you exhausted of these infinite loops?

 Nah. I ignored his last question. It's loopy and there's nothing to make clear. I set clear examples of weakness like grown people having tantrums over little things, it's non defendable so now he's fishing for something else he may stick up for. While you never got it right, even you can at least find his questioning ridiculous.

Here we go again...

I set clear examples of weakness like grown people having tantrums over little things, it's non defendable so now he's fishing for something else he may stick up for.

You and I both know he didnt ask you for examples of weakness, and he knows that you know, we all know, and yet we're supposed to keep this facade running.

This is so pointless..

Wouldn't it be more interesting for you to do something different, like rise above it all? I can already see how this plays out.

Jada said: 

Here we go again...

 

I set clear examples of weakness like grown people having tantrums over little things, it's non defendable so now he's fishing for something else he may stick up for.

You and I both know he didnt ask you examples of weakness, and he knows that you know, we all know, and yet we're supposed to keep this facade running.

This is so pointless..

 My examples back my claim, and it was called for. 

- My claim  "Don't sympathise with weakness"

- His response  "That's the whole point of sympathy, wtf are you on about ?"

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Some people supply those deserving of respect, others supply those who aren't.

It's natures way. The weakest link gets outcasted cause they put the tribe in danger. Even our ancestors did this in a world not yet dominated by us. 

In the modern day, the weakest one in the workforce can ruin a company and cost jobs.

One time I worked in a factory, and I had an overwhelming deadline, so the boss hired a temp working from some agency. So pakistani guy showed up. I showed him how to wire an actuator. Dude, this guy couldn't even crimp a wire. He kept failing and failing wasting crimps. I tried with him again and he kept saying in broken English with aggression "I know, I know" moving slow as hell trying to get a single crimp on a wire. I had no choice but to rat him out, we needed this done. Boss just walked up to him and said, "Hey your ride is here" and poof. He left behind a mess of wasted crimps and not a single actuator was completed.  Crimping is simply taking something that functions like pliers, and pinching a piece of metal to copper wire so it stays put. He couldn't even complete one, and was defensive about knowing what he's doing. 

Now some people will sympathise with this guy, and if someone did that it's really not going to help the guy. 

Sympathizing is not synonymous with condoning bad behavior or rewarding incompetence, which is how it sounds you're using it. Its that you understand the person.

I sympathize with someone not getting the job they wanted but it doesnt mean they shouldve gotten it over a better candidate.

 I understand the feeling of trying hard and not getting the result you wanted. I can understand its difficult. Is it their fault they didn't get the job? Yes, always, one way or another. But I dont find it conducive to slam it in their face and demand they grow a pair.

When people feel like you understand them, they're more receptive to constructive feedback.

Take your co-worker for instance. He shouldve been fired. Theres a lesson there that he'll learn for sure. But when he goes home, when he goes to his friends, when he goes to his wife, if he gets constantly beaten up even more, he'll not recover. 

Jada said: 

Sympathizing is not synonymous with condoning bad behavior or rewarding incompetence, which is how it sounds you're using it. Its that you understand the person.

Sometimes its unknowingly used in condoning bad behavior or rewarding incompetence.

When I said Losers also manifest. You instantly suggested you'd say that with sympathy meanwhile in some cases the subject is to blame for being a loser.  

When I said losers also manifest, it doesn't imply I'm being disdainful. As the environment shapes us, we also shape it. 

I sympathize with someone not getting the job they wanted but it doesnt mean they shouldve gotten it over a better candidate.

Sure. But there are other variables that determine if you'll sympathize with someone. It's not like you're going to give your heart to just any random joe who never got the job. If you had the ultimate awareness you'll find no rest being supportive of something that happens countless times a day globally. 

At times you may say "you have my sympathy" but let's not forget you question if you're a good person, and you are scripted to fit in.

 I understand the feeling of trying hard and not getting the result you wanted. I can understand its difficult. Is it their fault they didn't get the job? Yes, always, one way or another. But I dont find it conducive to slam it in their face and demand they grow a pair.

When people feel like you understand them, they're more receptive to constructive feedback.

Take your co-worker for instance. He shouldve been fired. Theres a lesson there that he'll learn for sure. But when he goes home, when he goes to his friends, when he goes to his wife, if he gets constantly beaten up even more, he'll not recover. 

 The temp worker was with me for an hour. His performance was so weak I'd argue progress in terms of help was moving backward for wasting materials and making a mess. 

Did I feel sympathy ? No. He was very defensive when I tried to show up again and again. In person I'm very patient and kind, but this wasn't a new hire, it was a temp worker the boss ordered to finish a rush job.

Maybe the temp worker went home and someone gave him sympathy which isn't what he needs. They'll be supportive while I cannot support him, my claim on that day is true and makes sense, while the sympathy does nothing to improve him. 

We're not talking about the broken hearted or someone who was robbed, or an innocent person who was beaten, nor are we talking about someone grieving over the loss of a loved one, or a child whos dog was hit by a car. None of this is weakness or worthy of despise. If anything it forces strength and the better version of the self to surface. 

We're talking about losers. Yes you can sympathise with them for whatever reason, and they will appreciate your "support". Key word. Support.  

Someone pierces themselves. You'll support them. Okay. I on the other hand don't think that's a good thing. 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Jada said: 

 

Sometimes its unknowingly used in condoning bad behavior or rewarding incompetence.

When I said Losers also manifest. You instantly suggested you'd say that with sympathy meanwhile in some cases the subject is to blame for being a loser.  

When I said losers also manifest, it doesn't imply I'm being disdainful. As the environment shapes us, we also shape it. 

...Because I take pity on losers who manifest shitty realities for themselves. Most of the times they do it without realizing it. And they're totally to blame, most losers who manifest a poor future for themselves are very shitty people. I pity them.

Its similar to how I pity a kid who tried to bully me in school. I felt sympathy for him when I forced his face down the toilet and flushed. 

I do believe you didn't mean it with disdain. I had assumed you talked about people you disdain when you said it.

 

Sure. But there are other variables that determine if you'll sympathize with someone. It's not like you're going to give your heart to just any random joe who never got the job. If you had the ultimate awareness you'll find no rest being supportive of something that happens countless times a day globally. 

I kind of do. I just cant act on it. I have significant amount of love inside of me.

At times you may say "you have my sympathy" but let's not forget you question if you're a good person, and you are scripted to fit in.

That was already over 3 weeks ago.

Ive evolved to be more authentic.

 The temp worker was with me for an hour. His performance was so weak I'd argue progress in terms of help was moving backward for wasting materials and making a mess. 

Did I feel sympathy ? No. He was very defensive when I tried to show up again and again. In person I'm very patient and kind, but this wasn't a new hire, it was a temp worker the boss ordered to finish a rush job.

Hey, Im not blaming you.

Maybe the temp worker went home and someone gave him sympathy which isn't what he needs. They'll be supportive while I cannot support him, my claim on that day is true and makes sense, while the sympathy does nothing to improve him. 

I mean sure in this case. But youre generalizing it to every case.

We're not talking about the broken hearted or someone who was robbed, or an innocent person who was beaten, nor are we talking about someone grieving over the loss of a loved one, or a child whos dog was hit by a car. None of this is weakness or worthy of despise. If anything it forces strength and the better version of the self to surface. 

Its totally weakness and its their fault if the dog was hit. But yes being unsympathetic is not helpful.

We're talking about losers. Yes you can sympathise with them for whatever reason, and they will appreciate your "support". Key word. Support.  

Support for what? For them to get their act together? Yes. Condoning their activities..? No.

Someone pierces themselves. You'll support them. Okay. I on the other hand don't think that's a good thing. 

Pierces? Like stabs themselves or something? Why wouldnt you help someone who stabs themselves? 

I try to better people. You do too. We go about it different ways, and I dont think your way works.

I take care of over a dozen people on a daily basis, helping them with their careers, future, character, and coaching them in research. What I find works is enforcing a strict quality control without morally demonizing failure.