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I'm not the one who brought up the subject of weakness, that was you whining how I, as you say, "attack weakness". Maybe you'd rather I applaud weakness and wish for it in others. 

By your warped perspective I'm the Boogie Man for being pro life and being pro good life, even though shit happens to someone somewhere everyday while you and that guy over there long for the end of our species and for yourselves to be nothing rather than something. 

Don't worry. This life is temporary.  Not every child cries on this merry go round. and I think that's a good thing. 

You're projecting. You are the one who constantly filters the world through a binary of 'strong versus weak,' yet the moment you are called out, you try to flip the script and claim I brought it up. It’s a transparent attempt to reverse roles.

Well i did mention "in another thread" that I don't respect weakness. I don't see anything wrong with that.

No I do not pit strong versus weak. I don't believe both genders should play professional sports together either.

Pretty sure I think weakness is self induced. I also explained what weakness is. In that thread. Since you bring it up in this thread I assume what I said keeps you up at night.   

 

Pointing out your obsession with mocking people isn't demanding you 'applaud weakness.' That is a false dilemma.

I don't mock people, at best I give them a gentle pat on the bum.

 

The reality is that your fixation on attacking and humiliating others is just an aggressive cover for your own insecurity. You are driven by an archaic, tribal need for resource security, but instead of admitting that fear, you project it outward needing to see others as 'weak' just to convince yourself that you are secure.

If that were the case with me, then that wouldn't be respectable. That would be weakness.

As I mentioned before, I don't respect weakness. It doesn't earn respect. I don't wish it on anyone. 

When I say you whine a lot, I'm not trying to insult you. I'm pointing out that you're whining. And over what ? Some chick has a baby and you call her oppressed. lol. Guy most pro lifers are women. Women want children too. 

 

That’s why you completely dodged the core contradiction: you brand suicide as 'weakness' but defend euthanasia as 'humane.' You draw arbitrary, hypocritical lines on human suffering just to keep your self-serving framework intact.

Observing entropy and human tribalism is not 'longing for the end of the species.' That is a dishonest straw man.

 Suicide is weakness. 

I understand euthanasia as humane under certain conditions. If someone is living under intense never ending pain, then yeah. Saw 2 people do this so far. 

Every case of suicide I know of, usually has to do with heartbreak. First one was this girl I sorta knew in high school. She jumped off a bridge over some guy. Another one, some dude switched up on her for Prom.

There was this white girl that used to come here. Very soft spoken, very racist. Can't think of her name. Ah yes, Sinnister. Very cunty. She was some girl so she got special treatment even though she did nothing for anyone. 

She threatened suicide, then one day never came back. SC members memorialize and commemorate her in some way. Not me. Dumb bitch. You will not have submitting to your announcements or suffering or speaking out cause you're dumb.  Maybe she never killed herself. Same shit. If she did, she's dead to me all the same. No time to mourn people I don't respect. 

I also dislike it when people threaten suicide. Sinnister had the community sucking her anus, before and after she vanished, some still do up to this day. For all you know she could be eating fried chicken and watching her children play Street Fighter right now. Or, she's dead. 

Sorry, but no.  

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Spatial Mind said:
Well i did mention "in another thread" that I don't respect weakness. I don't see anything wrong with that.
No I do not pit strong versus weak. I don't believe both genders should play professional sports together either.
Pretty sure I think weakness is self induced. I also explained what weakness is. In that thread. Since you bring it up in this thread I assume what I said keeps you up at night. 

I don't mock people, at best I give them a gentle pat on the bum.

If that were the case with me, then that wouldn't be respectable. That would be weakness.
As I mentioned before, I don't respect weakness. It doesn't earn respect. I don't wish it on anyone. 
When I say you whine a lot, I'm not trying to insult you. I'm pointing out that you're whining. And over what ? Some chick has a baby and you call her oppressed. lol. Guy most pro lifers are women. Women want children too. 

Suicide is weakness. 
I understand euthanasia as humane under certain conditions. If someone is living under intense never ending pain, then yeah. Saw 2 people do this so far. 
Every case of suicide I know of, usually has to do with heartbreak. First one was this girl I sorta knew in high school. She jumped off a bridge over some guy. Another one, some dude switched up on her for Prom.
There was this white girl that used to come here. Very soft spoken, very racist. Can't think of her name. Ah yes, Sinnister. Very cunty. She was some girl so she got special treatment even though she did nothing for anyone. 
She threatened suicide, then one day never came back. SC members memorialize and commemorate her in some way. Not me. Dumb bitch. You will not have submitting to your announcements or suffering or speaking out cause you're dumb.  Maybe she never killed herself. Same shit. If she did, she's dead to me all the same. No time to mourn people I don't respect. 
I also dislike it when people threaten suicide. Sinnister had the community sucking her anus, before and after she vanished, some still do up to this day. For all you know she could be eating fried chicken and watching her children play Street Fighter right now. Or, she's dead. 

Sorry, but no.  

You claim you don't pit strong versus weak, yet your entire response is a textbook example of doing exactly that. Your attempt to minimize your behavior as a 'gentle pat on the bum' completely falls apart when you immediately pivot to calling a missing or deceased person a 'dumb bitch' and mocking the concept of mourning. That isn't indifference; it's a performance of dominance over people who can't fight back. You do the exact same thing with your anti-abortion stance. You flatly conflate women who actively want children with women facing unwanted pregnancies. It’s a sweeping generalization designed to erase the reality of systemic control, proving my point that you favor rigid hierarchies where human suffering is simply ignored to fit your narrative.

Furthermore, your stance on life and death is a direct contradiction. You mock and condemn the agency of individuals who choose to end their own lives as 'weakness,' yet your logic implies you are perfectly fine with a system enforcing euthanasia on people with ailments regardless of their consent. You don't value life or a 'humane' end; you value external control. You want to deny individuals the agency over their own existence while granting a hierarchy the power to dictate it. You rely on ad hominem attacks, random tangents about sports, and fake internet toughness because your worldview cannot logically withstand its own authoritarian double standards.

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Spatial Mind said:
Well i did mention "in another thread" that I don't respect weakness. I don't see anything wrong with that.
No I do not pit strong versus weak. I don't believe both genders should play professional sports together either.
Pretty sure I think weakness is self induced. I also explained what weakness is. In that thread. Since you bring it up in this thread I assume what I said keeps you up at night. 

I don't mock people, at best I give them a gentle pat on the bum.

If that were the case with me, then that wouldn't be respectable. That would be weakness.
As I mentioned before, I don't respect weakness. It doesn't earn respect. I don't wish it on anyone. 
When I say you whine a lot, I'm not trying to insult you. I'm pointing out that you're whining. And over what ? Some chick has a baby and you call her oppressed. lol. Guy most pro lifers are women. Women want children too. 

Suicide is weakness. 
I understand euthanasia as humane under certain conditions. If someone is living under intense never ending pain, then yeah. Saw 2 people do this so far. 
Every case of suicide I know of, usually has to do with heartbreak. First one was this girl I sorta knew in high school. She jumped off a bridge over some guy. Another one, some dude switched up on her for Prom.
There was this white girl that used to come here. Very soft spoken, very racist. Can't think of her name. Ah yes, Sinnister. Very cunty. She was some girl so she got special treatment even though she did nothing for anyone. 
She threatened suicide, then one day never came back. SC members memorialize and commemorate her in some way. Not me. Dumb bitch. You will not have submitting to your announcements or suffering or speaking out cause you're dumb.  Maybe she never killed herself. Same shit. If she did, she's dead to me all the same. No time to mourn people I don't respect. 
I also dislike it when people threaten suicide. Sinnister had the community sucking her anus, before and after she vanished, some still do up to this day. For all you know she could be eating fried chicken and watching her children play Street Fighter right now. Or, she's dead. 

Sorry, but no.  

You claim you don't pit strong versus weak, yet your entire response is a textbook example of doing exactly that. Your attempt to minimize your behavior as a 'gentle pat on the bum' completely falls apart when you immediately pivot to calling a missing or deceased person a 'dumb bitch' and mocking the concept of mourning. That isn't indifference; it's a performance of dominance over people who can't fight back. You do the exact same thing with your anti-abortion stance. You flatly conflate women who actively want children with women facing unwanted pregnancies. It’s a sweeping generalization designed to erase the reality of systemic control, proving my point that you favor rigid hierarchies where human suffering is simply ignored to fit your narrative.

I don't pit strong vs weak. Strength is a preference, weakness I don't respect. This doesn't mean I'm going to throw some event or condone running around beating up people. 

The weakness I don't respect is mental weakness. Crying over spilled milk, makes me cringe. I get how this offends you though. This is also something I've mentioned long ago and multiple times in here, so while it offends you to hear I don't respect weakness, I don't say it because of you. 

I never liked Sinister, never trusted her, never got along. I don't trust when people threaten suicide while it doesn't come across as genuine. Threatening suicide is a manipulation tactic, and she had members jumping through hoops before and after she was gone.  

Regardless if she did it or not. I think it's mentally healthy to not feel any way about her killing herself, especially while no one knows her personally or can tell you jack shit about her. 

The way I see if, if you have people's admiration in someway, don't be selfish. People who kill themselves have a way of talking about it after they kill themselves with a letter, and why ? Because they really want to die. They don't want people stopping them. For this reason my sentiment is, if you're going to kill yourself, shut the fuck up you selfish bitch and just vanish. And don't get me wrong, I don't wish for people to do this, but I'm not having them play this game with me where I'm supposed to stop at nothing to stop them. 

Her and I never got along either, so I don't lose sleep over it.

If someone I care about commits suicide. Fuck them too. That's the better mental health instead of being all fucked up over it. 

So yes I don't respect suicide, nor is it a requirement. This is wise. 

 

Furthermore, your stance on life and death is a direct contradiction. You mock and condemn the agency of individuals who choose to end their own lives as 'weakness,' yet your logic implies you are perfectly fine with a system enforcing euthanasia on people with ailments regardless of their consent.

Regardless of their consent. Man shut the fuck up, that is so stupid.

I was also on here telling people not to get vaccinated, its a scam.

Dr. Fauci was pardoned by Biden. Ha. No one here knows about that though. 

The first person I've seen do this, the woman had incurable arthritis all over her body. Everyday was intense pain. 

If someone is under intense incurable pain, and they want to die, I honestly won't blame them. That's real suffering right there. Pretty sure this is the 3rd time I'm stating this. 

If someone wants to die cause of heartbreak. I see it as weakness, killing oneself over someone unworthy of them. And I have to see it as weakness. Rejection is a part of manhood, and I have about 3 heartbreaks in my time. Am I expected to praise those who killed themselves while I've learned to overcome it ? Of course not.  

 

You don't value life or a 'humane' end; you value external control. You want to deny individuals the agency over their own existence while granting a hierarchy the power to dictate it. You rely on ad hominem attacks, random tangents about sports, and fake internet toughness because your worldview cannot logically withstand its own authoritarian double standards.

 Says you. 

lol No I don't deny people the right to kill themselves, nor am I the person to come charging to the rescue when someone threatens to kill themselves. While they're gone I'm going to have to get used to not having them around anyway so might as well get started early. Their selfish desire will not drag me down, as it should be.

If I were someone to intervene when the suicidal threatens to kill themselves, only then you can pin me as someone who denies individuals the agency over their own existence. Instead you want to label the 1 fucker here that doesn't step up and do tricks when someone claims they are going to off themselves. 

I'm not interested in being some power hungry dictator. Maybe you see me as someone that can even do that, but really I have no say in what people do. I'm not an activist, and you won't find me marching down the street to support some cause even I agree with. In a nutshell I'm unlike you. 

Your rant is very whiny, and I do see it as weak. Always crying about issues that has little or nothing to do with you. 

"You think this, and you think that ! Consent ! consent !"

lol Consent. This word is a regular part of your vocabulary, often used with "no consent" or "without consent". This time you said "regardless of consent". That time you complained about prey getting eaten without their consent was really funny, meanwhile you're being dead serious. And you eat pork.

If I ran around using that word so loosely I know for a fact I'd be seen as a spineless bitch. 

 

 

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just remembered and woke up remember how much hate this fucking faggot lil zero sum we dont we dont like in in our our discord discord server good good place. he you lil zero sum say that that if its okay or not that to take all the hampsters from the the and then in put them inside the he shoves all the the hampsters inside his clothes and and runs around in his suit thats that its stupid and thank thank the the law law he he got he gots arrested for it but but how come if its okay or not then if he he gets arressted for for that if its okay if or not to to kidnap retarded kidnap retarded human humans if keep them them as as pets or if thats why or not if if its can how come can can if the special special its good animal for for it it pedigree it breed pay for for breeding and human human discard the the less good good pedigree my my friend she her her dad one one time they they find find box box on on in the the woods and and inside its its animal baby animal starved to to death as as after after cute it it is it skeleton and she her dad say it it maybe cause it cause they buy pet and and dont dont want it no more and its if its okay and i want to to want good good pet with it look cute cause cause my my friends said too it was it good idea to to buy pet from animal animal breeder if or not the the killing shelter see the the bags of of pet bodies behind the the homeless store for for pets that if or not the frozen animals animals thats they they are there dead if that well it its okay because its better than than the animals on on the the street watching having 12 babies to see 10 of of them them die die horrible violent violent deaths in in the the street the in the the it nature place where where dying it happens. if thats is that okay but but its is it

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A long time ago before lil zero sum ruined my life, I was a devout communist. Yes. And yes, yes I was a very devout communist. But when he introduced me to his pre-abyssal system of ethics, I achieved immediate enlightenment. He asked me if the people wearing fursuits in the streets stitched by evil statists were actually really confused followers of Agrippa's epistemologically undefeated trillema and if all of epistemology had never been solved and what if, instead of revolting against the system of epistemological marxism to create a new system that's even worse, if the animals simply agreed to stop supporting the system, by completely ceasing reproduction and machine maintenance, completely dissolving the structure of capital and suffering. What if it was so bad, they didn't even support the abortion industry. Usually I love abortions because, I don't want to make my friends upset and they get lots of abortions. And I think according to logical consistency, that eating a chicken fetus as eggs is the same as aborting human babies and who cares about either thing. So in every society it starts with basically the full total control of heaven-sent capital. Capital as life-force. The full structure of it, and maximum distributed suffering. The serpent of time is the mortality rate at which the labor value varies. The animals refuse to keep repairing the machines. The golden conjugate threshold is approaching and capital itself is suffering. The ambient life-force is suffering. The watch towers open and the last remaining animals can choose to either reproduce or let the rats feed on their corpses who have also agreed to cease reproducing and agree to be denied any surplus value from the labor as the animals slowly cease to exist. The golden ratio is completely maxxed out as the abyss opens and the entire system is null if the animals dont reproduce and fix the factory machines. Every so often throughout their mutual consent towards the end of suffering, they perform tests to make sure each one of them is more shifted towards the lacking of value for engagement or appeal towards the luxuries of the surplus values of life derived by the blood of their own bretheren. If they are, they're tasked with repairing the irrepairable machinery of the factory. The mortalitity rate for these individuals is much faster as this task consumes all their energy usually making them predisposed towards the reciprocal lack of engagement with the appeals of surplus value that the other animals already hold as a given in order to cease all suffering.

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hoffst du, wie wohl die meisten Menschen in deinem Falle und obschon du es kaum mehr aussprechen
kannst, — noch immer Wiedergenesung, noch immer zu leben, - ist dies dann ein Beweis, daß du den
Willen zum Leben, — in abstracto, genommen, — dadurch nun eigentlich bejahst? Keineswegs. Es sind
nur die Optimisten, welche behaupten, daß der Wunsch, beim Nahen des Todes, leben zu bleiben, — eine
Manifestation sei der Bejahung des Willens zum Leben im allgemeinen, — während in Wirklichkeit der
Wunsch, die schlimme Schlußkatastrophe so spät als möglich zu erdulden, — eine Katastrophe, die denn
doch wohl zum Schlimmsten gehört, das dem Menschen widerfahren kann, | — absolut nicht beweist,
daß das Menschenleben in abstracto, etwas schönes, gutes, begehrenswertes — u. s. w. sei. — Weil man,
ohne eigenes Zuthun, von anderen, — in dieses Leben gesetzt worden ist, hat der Wunsch das eigene
Leben zu beschließen oder fortzusetzen, — gar nichts mit dem abstrakten Gedanken der Bejahung oder
Verneinung des Willens zum Leben zu thun; niemand hat dich je befragt, „ob du verlangtest, geboren
zu werden,“ — aber du bist durch dein Nachdenken dazu gebracht worden, das Leben in abstracto als
etwas nicht-schönes, nicht-begehrenswertes zu beurteilen und zu verurteilen, und du legst dies an den
Tag, indem du dir nicht nur das Leben nicht nimmst, sondern, was auch moralisch und philosophisch
höher steht, durch Worte und Thaten mit jenem Feuereifer, der nur dich beseelen kann, pessimistische
Propaganda, im Sinne Kurnig’s, treibst, und (eine Hauptsache) selbst keine Kinder zeugst. — Wie gesagt,
daß du dabei die Stunde deines Todes verschieben möchtest, ist keineswegs eine Inkonsequenz, nur die
Folge davon, daß man dich nicht befragt hat, ob du geboren zu werden verlangtest, der Hauptsache
nicht einmal zu gedenken, daß du durch längeres Leben, durch Ausharren, auch länger, im Interesse der
Ungeborenen, deine pessimistische Propaganda ausführen kannst.
GTHERE AR EUSEFRUL FICITONS, AND NO NM USEFUL ONE S.

Lt 7s nonsense, but there 1s method in zt. It is in this, roughly
speaking, that the secret of the calculus lies.

In particular, the analytical expression of the fluxion, ie. of
the differential quotients, is nothing mysterious but a mere
methodological fiction, a dodge, a subtle device; the fluxion
marks a progress that is no progress, or rather an absence of
progress that is yet progress.

The method of fluxions has two essential elements, the
geometrical and the analytical. We may deal first with the
geometrical for it is intimately connected with what has been
said above.

It consists simply in assuming that not only is every line
to be thought of as consisting in the motion of a point or
arising from an infinite number of infinitely small line-points—
but that this movement of the describing point is broken up
into single thrusts, steps, stages, etc., and is primarily thought
of as consisting of any arbitrary number of finite steps. Each
of these finite steps can, however, always be imagined smaller
and just as the surface becomes, as it were, attenuated to a
line, so do these finite step-lines become attenuated to
infinitely small step-points. This would indeed be of little
assistance if an additional element were not added by the
Cartesian method. According to this method, every finite
step can be analyzed into the advance of two factors whose
relation is exactly fixed. Every individual step can con-
sequently be represented as a right-angled triangle whose
hypotenuse is the curve, and whose other two sides are the
coordinates. Just as we can let every surface shrink to a line,
every line into a point, so likewise we can apply this magic
method in the present case.

If we let the triangle decrease gradually, so that it finally
only occupies the point M, then we obtain an infinitely small
triangle whose hypotenuse, according to the Newtonian con-
ception, is more precisely given by the fact that the ordinate
which determines it retains its initial velocity. But since
according to the law of the curve, it must change this velocity
at every moment, it serves as the best transition to the indivisible
moment in which the progress is similarly indivisible.

We see, therefore, that the fluxion triangle is the limit of
the triangle of increments, in the same sense the surface is the
limit of the body, the line the limit of the surface and the point
the limit of the line. Upon this analogy, here first set forth in
this way, we must lay great stress, for the internal relationships
of all these fictional auxiliary ideas and concepts are thereby
illuminated.

What we have said above about the Newtonian fluxion-
triangle also holds in exactly the same way for the “ characteristic
triangle”, as Leibniz expressed it. There is no fundamental
divergence between Newton’s presentation of the matter and
that of Leibniz but merely a difference between the formal
point of view, which, in the last analysis, is a mere verbal
difference. As a rule, it is true, the matter is presented as
though Newton’s method were stricter and less open to objec-
tion than that of Leibniz. Leibniz, it is claimed, following
Cavaleri’s indivisibility, introduced the contradictory concept
of the infinitely-small while Newton, on the other hand, merely
applied the old harmless concept of limits. We often find it
stated to-day that mathematics must adopt the latter as the
safer type and that the conception of Leibniz should be dropped.
This view goes back to Newton himself. He maintains a
non-committal attitude toward Cavaleri’s fiction of zxzdzvzszbilia,
the “durior indivisibilium hypothesis”, and adds: “ Proinde in
sequentibus, si quando quantitates tanquam ex particulis con-
stantes consideravero, vel si pro rectis usupavero lineolas curvas,
nolim indivisibilia, sed evanescentia divisibilia, non summas et
rationes partium determinatarum, sed summarum et rationum
limites semper intelligi, vimque talium demonstrationum
ad methodum praecedentium lemmatum semper _ revocari.”
(Gerhardt, Geschichte der Analysis, Vol. I, p. 86.)

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From all that we have said, however, it is evident that the
concept of limits contains the same contradictions as that of
the infinitely-small, only they are less transparent. The pure
concept of the infinitely-small exhibits openly and directly
contradictions that are also contained in the concept of limits,
as is shown by the analysis given above. The latter concept
appears more harmless merely because it keeps itself closer to
the facts, but all the same it does conceal within itself all those
spikes that the concept of the infinitely-small presents openly
and honestly.

It is, therefore, an entirely vain procedure based upon a
complete misunderstanding, if modern mathematicians imagine
that they can rid the calculus of contradictions by going back
to the concept of limits. Only weak spirits could be thus
satisfied, and a strictly logical thinker must soon discover the
same contradictions in the concept of “limits”.


If we were to refer here to all that might be said
about Leibniz in this connection, our account would soon
take on the proportions of a monograph. We shall limit our-
selves to the most essential points, especially to what is of
particular interest here, namely, the purely methodological
problem of the new method. Leibniz did not adequately
express himself on this point in the original documents where
he specifically developed his discovery of the differential
calculus: this resulted from the custom of his period of
keeping new methods secret as long as possible and making
public only their results not their foundation.1

Of particular importance is what Leibniz says in 1695
in the Acta Erudit. Lips* in answer to the objections of
Niewentiit, who pointed out the logical contradictions in the
new method, particularly in the concept of the infinitely-small.
Niewentiit had especially criticized the fact that in the method
the “incomparabiliter minora negleguntur” and that thereby,
the equation, the aeqgualitas, became an inexact one, so that it
could no more be called an aegualitas. Leibniz answered as
follows: “Si quis talem aequalitatis definitionum rejicit, de
nomine disputat. Sufficit enim intelligibilem esse et ad
inventendum utilem. Itaque non tantum lineas infinite parvas, ut
dx, dy pro quantitatibus veris in suo genere assumo, sed et earum
quadrata ... praesertim cum eas ad ratiocinandum invenine-
dumque z#éz/es reperiam.” We have italicized the most important
words in order to draw special attention to them. Leibniz
proceeds from the practical utility these concepts possess, and
it is only because of this practical utility that he regards
these concepts as verae, but as he carefully adds, zz suo genere.
He does not think of them as absolutely, but as relatively
true, “in their own way”. In the same monograph he shows
further on that, and why, the infinitely-small can be permitted to
become zero; and he remarks that it is “ob talium expres-
sionum raritatem et insolentiam, quae, fateor, tanta est, ut ipse
Hugenius eas aegre admiserit”, that he had been so cautious in
the matter of publication.

Leibniz allows us to see more of what went on behind the scenes
in his Epzstola ad Christ. Wolfium, “Circa scientium infiniti,”
which has been published as an appendix to the Act. Erudtt.

1 These documents are published in Leibniz’ Gesammelte Werke, edited by
G. H. Pertz (Series III, Mathematik, Vols. I-VII, edited by C. J. Gerhardt), Halle,
1849-1865. We cite this collection as Leibniz, Ges. Werke. Volumes I-III con-
tain the correspondence, volume IV is still unpublished, volume V contains the
papers on pure mathematics, volumes VI and VII those on applied mathematics.
Only the most important things of this collection are utilized in the following
discussion: there is still much to be gleaned from them.

Lips. ad an. 1713. After briefly explaining his method of the
infinitesimal calculus he continues, “ Atque hoc consentaneum
est legi Continuitatis .. . unde fit, ut in continuis extremum
exclusivum Z@ractarz posstt ut inclusivum, et ita ultimus casus,
licet tota natura diversus, lateat in generali lege caeterorum,
simulque paradoxa quadam ratione, et ut sic dicam, figura
philosophico-rhetorica punctum in linea, quies in motu, specialis
casus in generali contradistinctio comprehensus intelligi possit,
tanquam punctum sit linea infinite parva, seu. evanescens,
aut quies sit motus evanescens, aliaque id genus, quae
Joachimus Jungius, Vir profundissimus ¢oleranter vera appel-
lasset, et quae zzserviunt plurimum ad inveniendi artem,
etsi meo judicio aliquid fictzonis et wtmaginariz complec-
tantur, quod tamen reductione ad expressiones ordinarias
ita facile rectificatur, ut error intervenire non possit”. Here
again I print the important words in italics. Leibniz, then,
realized that in regarding the point as an infinitely-small
line, and in general with regard to the whole idea of the
infinitely-small, we are dealing with something paradoxical
and contrary to sense, permissible, however, as a rhetorical
fiction; that we are dealing here with modes of conception
which, though fictional, are useful for discovery. He thus
clearly grasped not only the actual practical application, but
also the theory of fictions, and recognized that the fiction
contained an error that had to be made good by being corrected.

Of particular significance in this respect is the reference
to Joachim Jungius, in a monograph written at about the
same time, Odbservatio . . . de vero sensu methodi infinitesimalis,*
in the following words: “Tales enuntiationes (—1I esse quanti-
tatem nihilo minorem, modo id sano sensu intelligatur) sunt
toleranter verae, ut ego cum summo viro Joachimo Jungio
loqui solo ; Galli appellarent ‘passables’. Rzgorem quidem non
sustinent, habent tamen usum magnum in calculando et ad
artem inveniendi universalesque conceptus valent, etc.”

In this passage Leibniz speaks openly and clearly; he
realizes that such methods of conception and forms of judgment
are, strictly (rigorose loquendo), not valid (non vera), that they
are nevertheless (according to Jungius) allowed, because they
are useful. He calls all such conceptual constructs, accordingly,
mere ways of speaking (modus loquendi, commoditas expres-
sionis) ; indeed, he explicitly denies the reality of the infinitely-
small and of the infinite in general. He fully realizes that we
are dealing here only with analogies, as in the case of all fictions.
He knows that errors arise from the application of such methods,
but he knows, too, that these errors are subsequently eliminated.
In his discussion Leibniz rose to a height of methodological
clarity which places him far above all his contemporaries, even
above Newton. Especially praiseworthy is the way in which
he includes everything relevant to his purpose in one broad
view, proceeding from the particular to the general. Thus he
begins the monograph just cited with the words: “Cum olim
Parisiis Vir summus Antonius Arnaldus sua nova Geometriae
Elementa mecum communicaret, atque in 1isdem, admirari se
testatus fuisset, quommodo posset esse 1 ad—1I, ut—1I ad—1,
quae res probari videtur ex eo, quod productum est idem sub
extremis, quod sub modiis cum utroque prodeat+1: jam tum
dixi mihi videri, veras illas rationes non esse, in quibus quantitas
nihilo minor est antecedens, vel consequens, efsz zx calculo haec,
ut alta tmaginaria, tuto et utiliter adhibeatur.” Thus Leibniz
here distinguished clearly between the verum and the zmag-
zmarzum, and recognized that the latter, too, has its uses, and
to that extent its practical reality.

With extraordinary clarity he also recognized that errors
made by the fictional assumption must always be corrected.

 

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feral said: 




A long time ago before lil zero sum ruined my life, I was a devout communist. Yes. And yes, yes I was a very devout communist. But when he introduced me to his pre-abyssal system of ethics, I achieved immediate enlightenment. He asked me if the people wearing fursuits in the streets stitched by evil statists were actually really confused followers of Agrippa's epistemologically undefeated trillema and if all of epistemology had never been solved and what if, instead of revolting against the system of epistemological marxism to create a new system that's even worse, if the animals simply agreed to stop supporting the system, by completely ceasing reproduction and machine maintenance, completely dissolving the structure of capital and suffering. What if it was so bad, they didn't even support the abortion industry. Usually I love abortions because, I don't want to make my friends upset and they get lots of abortions. And I think according to logical consistency, that eating a chicken fetus as eggs is the same as aborting human babies and who cares about either thing. So in every society it starts with basically the full total control of heaven-sent capital. Capital as life-force. The full structure of it, and maximum distributed suffering. The serpent of time is the mortality rate at which the labor value varies. The animals refuse to keep repairing the machines. The golden conjugate threshold is approaching and capital itself is suffering. The ambient life-force is suffering. The watch towers open and the last remaining animals can choose to either reproduce or let the rats feed on their corpses who have also agreed to cease reproducing and agree to be denied any surplus value from the labor as the animals slowly cease to exist. The golden ratio is completely maxxed out as the abyss opens and the entire system is null if the animals dont reproduce and fix the factory machines. Every so often throughout their mutual consent towards the end of suffering, they perform tests to make sure each one of them is more shifted towards the lacking of value for engagement or appeal towards the luxuries of the surplus values of life derived by the blood of their own bretheren. If they are, they're tasked with repairing the irrepairable machinery of the factory. The mortalitity rate for these individuals is much faster as this task consumes all their energy usually making them predisposed towards the reciprocal lack of engagement with the appeals of surplus value that the other animals already hold as a given in order to cease all suffering.

No one cares about your bpd orwellian animal farm anti-natalist didactic fables. The furry community does not properly understand Agrippa's trillema and this was supposed to be rhetorical because furries are often the worst proponents of creating the value of carcass consumption by their obliviousness to running around holding cute animals dressed like animals and then eating animals leaving animal carcass plastic littered about every furcon hotel with their lack of ethical values for decency and respect towards one another let alone the genocide of sentience and aesthetic promotion of animatronics which will lead to worsening conditions of sentient suffering because the question of science is not should we create life but how do we market life to the furry community. You're not considering machinic suffering, also there's the issue at the golden conjugate threshold as a frame in the entropic energy levels where the entire factory life-force (labor value) just deteriorates into urmensch tribalism, the entropic pre-collapse sustainment here below the threshold of balance where the organisms including machines, cordycepsually desire or seek out their own death. This would likely cause a zombie outbreak, not reduce suffering. So just think about that and stop derailing my threads please. 

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That's all life really amounts to, a jurisdicial proccess... Individual consciousness formed over the course of historical death throes against forces of suffering, just a ruthless succession of survival into a blind unknowing, to know—death. The sun, source of all life and energy, illumination, light, vision. The eye in the peak of the skull in full contemplation of the sun at once consumes its apprehensive gaze into the sun through collapse into the intolerable eye not as an origin but an expenditure. Whether death by disease, thug, war, the state, all for the sake of future processes of death in various forms. The jurisdicial process of life—a series of migrations through a succession of winners of life corpses. Strength for nothing, weakness for nothing. Human race sovereign over the conditions of existence attempts. Blind economics, capital's automated efficiency of accelerating the meat grinder of sentience. Fatality as mutual redeeming force for prolonging fatality.

Energy usage, productivist transactions systematized across a grid enforcing trajectory through civilization, non-assimilable after effects of wastage as rapid epidemic of expenditure into reinous contagion. Economy of war, the convulsions of the criminal underworld, the convulsions of the beaurocratic criminal underworld, the underworld of life, life as a crime. Idea of eternal recurrence, strength for the sake of producing the ideal, even the ideal man, the idea itself just a gateway of perceiving idleness as wastage, unconscious-conscious activator into being the plaything of life's futility, task manager of sisypus ubermensch snowman building sisyphean tasks. Imagining sisyphus-ubermensch as a happy snow man.

 According to popular science the sun will live for another 6 billion years.

In 10 million years, IF the same civilization is on Earth, we're still going to say the sun will die in about 6 billion years. ( I can't even fathom a civilization making it to the year 10,000.

I have 3 propane tanks. 2 of them empty. Eventually I'll take them to the station and have them refilled. Still I can slap some meat on a grill and enjoy some BBQ. 

The world has been ending as usual, as every second we're just inching towards the end of our short lifespans. As a so called cancer on the Earth, the best I can do is shut the fuck up, use this natural resource and eat the damn burger. And I'll enjoy it, and I'll be happy sometimes. 

Some will say it's bad that I'm eating meat and burning fuel. That it would be much better, if I just drank soy milk and be a homosexual, but naw. I think I'll just do what I want. Yes we're going to die. Sure people died. Yes there are skeletons in the graveyard. Whos gonna bury me ? I don't know. Maybe this body will end up in a lab, where a hot doctor will see this empty vessel and oddly it'll be love at first sight. and she'll research me and maybe find some footage of me and stimulate her genitals. It really won't matter to me. Especially if your Faith came into play and I've been obliterated from all existence. 

When we go, the world keeps going and will barely notice we're gone. It's better that way. One day when we're going, the world will notice, and that is a conflicted world of shit where even people like me would like to die.

One day, all the stars in all the galaxies in all the universe, will burn out. Nothing but darkness. Maybe a few sparks here and there from collisions, or maybe some lava will generate a bit of light, or something in the universe catches on fire. The Universe will carry on existing with large bodies moving around in space in total darkness. 

This will carry on so long, that the amount of time the Universe had living stars, will be just a spark in time, like 1 out of a trillion trillion trillion years and counting. The now we experience, is a fraction of in its entirety and will be nothing but a single frame in a looooooong long long long history of nothing happening. The most happening time will be that spark in time. Within that spark of time is us, and this spark is a lot of time.

I live here, in the present. There are some issues and other things only other people take issue with. Some of their issues are me. Eating meat, doing what I do. Enjoying myself, playing with Ai which is actually a dangerous toy. Still gonna eat. Chill in front of this 65 inch screen. Talk to people. Once in awhile get wasted. Maybe cook something I saw online. 

"Oh the worlds gonna end, none of it matters, you're naive !"

Well I guess I should just stop what I'm doing then and kill myself. Or maybe I'll just carry on living in mystery like some people do. Maybe start downscaling. Why give away anything, I'll burn it all. Yes. What else can I do...I'll promote faggotry. Pay for an expensive a gender studies course and school people for free... hm. I'll perform abortions... Oh yeah, women should lead. Kamala for President... 

One really has to already hate the world to long for our extinction. While anything can happen I should stock up, but I don't think it'll end anytime soon. 

Soy milk contains less estrogen than whole milk and even skim milk. So if you're saying, that soy milk causes homosexuality, this is unlikely. This was a terrible cultural headcrab katabasis constructed for siphoning the denizens of the right leaning inclinations of their creative potentialities into obesity looks-maxxing which is why when you look at groups like the proud boys, they're all morbidly obese fighting the karens for parking spaces if they can even muster the energy required to make it to the ai teller at the fast food restaurant juggling the capital of the permanantly dying efficiency of sentient animals with the mcdonalds logo as the sacred archways to the firmament promoting harmony and justice through the permanant tension of sentient genocide, for jesus, which should belong to their church and their professions of faith in christ as a buffer against economic entropy. Jesus rarely consumed corpses. Hordes of eschatonically literate pseudo-liberals when the second coming of christ happens again have the same perspective on welcoming refugees as they do on virtue signalling their lack of corpse consumption, which does not negate the inherent value of preventing the sentient torture of refugees or animals simply because they do not know why they are doing it or suppose one must implicitly agree with the ideology itself in order to be allowed to drink soy milk or prevent the abortion and birth of further sentience.


Leibnizean monad reconstruction cryogenic scam fantasies of heaven of corpses being renegotiated across the scale of energy flows as the same oblivion as the delirial genesis in which we spawned, sounds glorious to the transhumanists and for their offerings towards their ultimate demise as contagious profligates towards the ultimate suspension and failure of accumulation inherent to the presupposing existence of organisms in the web of the total economy of life in the universe against the nature of the universe for no reason. Will anyone ever get tired of suffering the hominoid sentient composure against nasci exitium? The scale of the universe and our infinitesmal presence as seeming mystical doesn't detract from our ethical concerns of reducing suffering as this occurs, however.


Is it possible, in principle, to limit the scope of the reasoning required to even derive the consequences of an action? This is a question perplexing AI ethicists. My suggestion, is that, no, no it isn't and it never has been. But with enmasse entropic energy flows of small individual actions impacting systemic outcomes, reducing suffering as much as possible latent within the views of sentriocentric suffering focused conseqentialism reduces suffering.

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