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Okay, but my feedback is based on both my intuition and actual findings of scientists and universities that agree with findings of the Google effect is exaggerated. and they're unable to replicate the experiment.

The AI's (not your) feedback is based on a 2020 Nature study with some interpolation stuck in a local minimum.

No, scientists believe in the Google effect insofar as digital amnesia is concerned. Find me the reference that you're talking about and the quote where they say they don't.

If you thought, instead of letting AI do the thinking for you, you'd connect the dots with cognitive offloading, which your AI tells you to believe in. How you dont recognize the cognitive dissonance that really requires minimal logic leap to connect the dots is puzzling to me. You instead trust AI and dont even think about it. If this isn't evidence of cognitive offloading, I dont know what is.

Why do you think I say that the Google effect is a fact despite the 2020 Nature study which was unable to reproduce the results of the original study?

We're still better off with the internet than without it.

Sure, Im not for shutting down the Internet.

I could have learned how to use Maya simply by reading about it, and mingling on 3D forums, though the process would've been much slower and I'd lose interest.

Im not saying you should cut yourself off from the Internet.

I dont know what kind of textbooks they have on Maya. I think having a hub for discussing with people is important for progress. However, if there is something worth writing down, and if you want to master the craft, you should learn it properly. Either it's by textbook or through an Internet resource. 

My point is more that if you use an internet resource you better make conscious effort to protect against digital amnesia. Your brain is prone to laziness. That feeling of being adhd enough that you wouldnt be able to focus on reading a book and calming down I think is a side effect of the modern society which drives down everyone's attention span to another new lowest low every year.

I was smashing the quiz so hard the host started ignoring me so others can have a chance. One quiz they asked what is this from, and they played a fractions of a second of sound. DJ did a click click, that'll we heard. I raised my hand, and the host was like "anyone" while I'm waving away, he had no choice but to come back to me and I said "It's the Dallas intro theme" correct. I can hear the audience start chattering with a low tone of "WTF" The Dallas theme was something I and basically everyone attending never heard since childhood and I never even watched the show, that shit was too uninteresting for a kid. The point I'm making is, I have a really good memory, I seem to see things others don't that turns out to be correct, and I don't believe in the Google Effect. And How do I know ? I've seen the world without the internet. Was totally there. We had little Black Books, and we memorized phone numbers. Not all of them, just the regulars.

That's nice.

What I think is we can offload memory into anything and that is true, including digital devices. There's nothing special about digital devices that enables cognitive offloading, as the concept itself is nothing new....You do narrow it down to being something exclusive with the use of digital devices, but it really isn't.

You've also offloaded your brain to it imho. 

If you (your AI) believes in offloading, ask your AI if it believes also that you can offload memory and if people do that frequently when they can.

Jada said: 

Okay, but my feedback is based on both my intuition and actual findings of scientists and universities that agree with findings of the Google effect is exaggerated. and they're unable to replicate the experiment.

The AI's (not your) feedback is based on a 2020 Nature study with some interpolation stuck in a local minimum.

My feed back. As stated my intuition ( Initial claim of not believing in the Google Effect ) and findings. ( I read pages from scientists in Canada and Germany who are unable to replicate the Google effect experiments and find how the Google effect is exaggerated.

As for Ai Legga, no. 

Just because I smacked you down with some Ai the other day doesn't mean I'm using it here. I had to do it though cause you refuse to take it from me. 

No, scientists believe in the Google effect insofar as digital amnesia is concerned. Find me the reference that you're talking about and the quote where they say they don't.

Yes Legga there are scientists that believe. But again...... There are ALSO scientists that do not believe in it.

How many times did I mention science is always at odds with itself, as it should be. 

The "Google effect" is heavily debated in psychology. Many scientists view it as a dubious claim.

Now you want me to be your search engine cause as usual, you're too lazy.

You're looking for Colin Camerer. American behavioral economist and the Robert Kirby Professor of Behavioral Finance and Economics at the California Institute of Technology. Him and a group of colleagues. 

Another group and it says here> The 2018 Reproducibility Coalition: A group of 24 prominent researchers (publishing in journals like Advances in Methods and Practices in Psychological Science) formally categorized the Google effect alongside other social science findings deemed dubious due to repeated failures to find the same results in controlled environments.

This one too > Replication Researchers (2020 & 2024): Follow-up replication attempts, including a 2020 study incorporating the original authors' methodological recommendations, found no conclusive evidence supporting it. Other scholars argue that relying on external data is just standard "cognitive offloading" (a natural coping mechanism) rather than amnesia.

That last one is from McGill University in Montreal. 

I reckon the 3 scientists that came up with the Google Effect are outnumbered. 

This is the part where you start crying for more proof and want me to go fetch links for you in a last ditch effort in hopes that I can't.

If you thought, instead of letting AI do the thinking for you, you'd connect the dots with cognitive offloading, which your AI tells you to believe in. How you dont recognize the cognitive dissonance that really requires minimal logic leap to connect the dots is puzzling to me. You instead trust AI and dont even think about it. If this isn't evidence of cognitive offloading, I dont know what is.

But Legga, I never went out of my way to ask the Ai if "I believe" in the Google effect. I simply never did believe in it. I also started my reasons maybe twice now and I dropped another example as to why I don't believe in it.

Did you you know the word "Ignorance" is synonymous with the word "Stupidity" ? Despite what I told you, you're narrowing things down to the assumption that I'm using Ai. 

Ai doesn't believe in anything Legga. It cannot believe anything. 

Why do you think I say that the Google effect is a fact despite the 2020 Nature study which was unable to reproduce the results of the original study?

Because it's popular science. It's been on NBC. You simply have faith in it. But you never proven it to yourself nor did you to others. 

Also there are multiple studies. 

The day popular science reverses it's stance on the Google Effect, people are going to have a meltdown, and you're easily one of them.

Similar to when Hawkings changed his mind on black hole theory. Scientists attending his presentation went ape shit, cause the leader of black hole theory changed up on them, and they're forced to follow along. 

We're still better off with the internet than without it.

Sure, Im not for shutting down the Internet.

My claim that it's a threat to Universities is a valid claim. Universities these days are a threat to themselves if I'm to be frank. It's become a breeding ground for horseshit. 

I could have learned how to use Maya simply by reading about it, and mingling on 3D forums, though the process would've been much slower and I'd lose interest.

Im not saying you should cut yourself off from the Internet.

Heh. I know you're not.

I dont know what kind of textbooks they have on Maya. I think having a hub for discussing with people is important for progress. However, if there is something worth writing down, and if you want to master the craft, you should learn it properly. Either it's by textbook or through an Internet resource. 

My point is more that if you use an internet resource you better make conscious effort to protect against digital amnesia. Your brain is prone to laziness. That feeling of being adhd enough that you wouldnt be able to focus on reading a book and calming down I think is a side effect of the modern society which drives down everyone's attention span to another new lowest low every year.

Brain isn't lazy. It's very busy even while we're sleeping, and it controls all our vital organs. 

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The man who learns how to use difficult shit by himself can boast. The ones who enter a field without a degree, can also boast. They're very smart people. 

Maya's textbook. I don't even know if they make them anymore. It's called The Maya Bible. Over 1200 pages long. This was before Autodesk bought Maya from Alias Wavefront. Like hauling around a block of wood. Never actually read it. 

I was smashing the quiz so hard the host started ignoring me so others can have a chance. One quiz they asked what is this from, and they played a fractions of a second of sound. DJ did a click click, that'll we heard. I raised my hand, and the host was like "anyone" while I'm waving away, he had no choice but to come back to me and I said "It's the Dallas intro theme" correct. I can hear the audience start chattering with a low tone of "WTF" The Dallas theme was something I and basically everyone attending never heard since childhood and I never even watched the show, that shit was too uninteresting for a kid. The point I'm making is, I have a really good memory, I seem to see things others don't that turns out to be correct, and I don't believe in the Google Effect. And How do I know ? I've seen the world without the internet. Was totally there. We had little Black Books, and we memorized phone numbers. Not all of them, just the regulars.

That's nice.

Not only is it nice, it's a demonstration of my memory which of course I know it well on an intimate level. Google effect ? Nope. Not in practice, no. 

What I think is we can offload memory into anything and that is true, including digital devices. There's nothing special about digital devices that enables cognitive offloading, as the concept itself is nothing new....You do narrow it down to being something exclusive with the use of digital devices, but it really isn't.

You've also offloaded your brain to it imho. 

If you (your AI) believes in offloading, ask your AI if it believes also that you can offload memory and if people do that frequently when they can.

 Into "it" you say.

Like I said. It's simply offloading. Just because it's digital doesn't make it special, nor should it have it's own category. 

All it is. Forgetfulness. Amnesia is simply a symptom. Okay. The concept of digital amnesia would suggest a new symptom the world has never seen. It's magical thinking to think there's Amnesia, then there's digital amnesia. 

Lil_Zero-Sum said: 

feral said: 

Lil_Zero-Sum said: 

 

 "Qualia" 

 so your saying ethics iz NOT ethical. whatsoever. so that means wars good??????????????

if you cant have this ethical system except without life existing that causes the least amount of suffering ending in the entier end of all lief then how come life exists and i want to go on existing it doesnt make any sense i think youre just trying to police your own weird raddical dogma

if sufferings so bad and the ais stealing ours souls then wat about if we created like spinozean algorithms to reduce the suffering as much as possible

that guy killed himself for a reason because nobody was listening to him and just wanted more suffering in the world and more people not getting what they want ever

That's a good premise, however... as I have previously explained, life is continual war. The Spinozean algorithm peace competition would just be war against war algorithms. I.e. the most peaceful society gets conquered by the society not seeking peace. The peaceful society also has excess energy that if it does not link into other societies, must be destroyed by other means and there's not a guarantee a peaceful society is ever really that peaceful... As the competition with the Spinozean Heliogabalian machine continually attempts to determine the method of least pain required for functioning, the least loss... it's going through constant pain against itself and against the edges of itself threatening its "peaceful" nature.

War is not ethical, did you even read my post? Let me break this down for you in simple terms:
WAR = BAD = competing organisms. Presence of pain (-existence) signals in excess! 
NON WAR = GOOD = Slightly less presence of non-preferential signals in excess!
for the warrior, however... the presence of war and non-war is neither good nor bad
and as life itself is actually, as I have explained, continual war even when the blind non-participant disengages from the process of society, of war itself, maybe even of life entirely. Hypothetically what if we are all already dead. These are all religious hallucinations that come about when society gets bored of war. The religious hallucinations are still war. To speak is to enforce control. Every sentence is an announcement of an order from an organism of which its very nature is war i.e. survival. The non-warrior can be absent from the war and yet, the psyche is still influenced by the very war of nature in other means. The depressed homefront continually trying to hold down the fort through various means such as growing herbs, selling and trading with various entities, tilling the soil, various surrogate activities one can employ oneself with endlessly whilst ignoring the worse war going on elsewhere. Even deepfaking an entire war has its consequences on the minds of people =  suffering even if not based on factual war. For the warrior, the presence of pain signals and pleasure signals often becomes mixed or corrupted, so as to help facilitate the functioning of the war apparatus. To live is to desire. But to never be born is to never be deprived of anything.

To never be born is to never experience the lack of + existence signals (usually pleasure) or the absence of - existence signals (usually pain) in which the absence of + existence signals is not bad because one is not alive to experience the presence of the signals that make life "worth living." This is good. Imagine the most intolerable prolonged pain possibly imaginable and the absence of said pain. Now imagine the absence of pleasure. The absence of pleasure is not a bad thing to one who never comes into existence to play the game of life. To never be born is to also not a bad thing when considering the absence of pain which for each and every organism on the planet occurs in various levels of "balance" against and with other competing organisms. I.e. to never exist is always a win, but to exist is always a massive gambling act between pleasure and pain signals in which no one wins when compared to non-existence of which no one is deprived of the massive gambling act nor does one ever know the lack of being addicted to the massive gambling act.

 wow lil_zero-sum your so intelligent no one can ever come up with an argument agains your rhetoric i suppose this must mean that the universe is meaningless and bad and existing is a logical fallacy. also ai will never even make coding jobs obsolete bc the ai will be doing the coding jobs. plus they still have entire departments of indians behind the scenes larping as ai anyway most of the time. once i was lost in the middle of a road in india called the hotel guy screams at me says im retarded because im not accustomed to the culture lost the map and im just trying to get off the phone the entire time mind you but he just goes on and on and on called every feasible ashram to try to get in touch with somebody that knew anything about the geography of the area or offer some peaceful words as teh darkness was closing in however none of this was accessible screaming at the faggot asking for my money back which i never even spent at the hotel but he just wanted to stay on the phone hear all the traffic and im like dude im not an indian and hes pissed about that because he hates americans however i managed to assert my dominance in the end by the time the jackals started climbing on the roof of the car, saw several shadow people in my peripheral and each one had a different tyep of facial distortion wake up im in the hotel and theyve got different reasons to make the most absurd run-down puzzle going for whatever reason meanwhile im blackout drunk in a field and wake up to find everyones gone and i stole all the musical instruments i feasibly could and all my friends live overseas tried contacting socrates through my ouija board and he just responded with an image of black tape and questioned what with a confused jarring glance im thinking whole time this nigga and then after that im back on the phone with the indian and hes telling me hes gotta go his wifes really needing to talk about some shit and im like ok why did you call me and hes like you called me and im like ok. and then i check the new evp recording its the guy i just met at the gas station got 2 dogs and a rug all he does is talk to aliens im thinking ok but have you seen the new aliens dude theyre much worse. and hes like doped out or some shit so im like ok whatever. and then everyones asking me about the basket weaving forums like im their fucking therapist or some shit when i dont know what happened to the timeline im trying to logon to twitter but all my algorithms have been replaced with some idiot playing puzzle games for no reason then i check back in at the hotel and theres no one there not even the indian guy im just staring at some paintings and the code was the code i already knew to get out of the hotel but nobody wants to listen to me and yet simultaneously wants to force me to participate in getting out of the hotel im thinking ok im just gonna sit here and watch while you try to figure it out meanwhile im daydreaming about being back at the dojo high as balls off codeine and various subverted dogmas

Actual programming will never become obsolete, but it depends on the industry or company you're in. I'd suggest retaliating against your superiors until they accept your solutions such as not using a graphical interface puzzle piece completion game in order to attempt to feasibly do anything that could easily be accomplished using the mind. But programming is too hard for managers so the simple solution of not giving the programmer any freedom whatsoever is easier which makes the company as inefficient as possible but that's normal. Just wait and hire an entire team of indian developers disguised as a superior version of Claude. It's worth it.

Spatial, you believe that you can offload memory to digital devices and to search engines, and believe people do it frequently.

...so you believe in the Google effect.

Jada said: 

Spatial, you believe that you can offload memory to digital devices and to search engines, and believe people do it frequently.

...so you believe in the Google effect.

 No. 

I'll quote the very last thing I said to you ......

Spatial Mind said:

Like I said. It's simply offloading. Just because it's digital doesn't make it special, nor should it have it's own category.

All it is. Forgetfulness. Amnesia is simply a symptom. Okay. The concept of digital amnesia would suggest a new symptom the world has never seen. It's magical thinking to think there's Amnesia, then there's digital amnesia.

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1. I don't believe in digital amnesia aka the Google Effect. Just amnesia. 

2. Others don't believe in it either. Many of them certified scientists ( This matters little to me )

3. Offloading memory works the same with anything. Paper, books, people, notes objects and arrangements.

4. If we "couldn't" offload to digital data, THEN we would have something special and noteworthy. Not the case.

5. The 3 scientists that came up with and published the Google effects, are greatly outnumbered. No comment.

Point 5 doesn't matter to me, I listed it for you as I understand your faith in certificates making things real, this it's more like, "Look Legga ! Other scientists say !"  

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Your ability to follow along, gather information, acknowledge information, debate, and conclude, has once again been assessed. The truth/reality is I AM the one to tell you what I believe in. I'm the first to know what I believe in, and I'm the one giving reasons why I don't believe. You argue how I do believe in digital amnesia, but you fail to understand the brain will offload to anything and it's not doing anything different with digital devices. 

An anonology.... 

Say Darth Vader chokes out one guy with the force.

Then Darth Vader chokes out another guy through a monitor.

Some would say, Vader choked out the 2nd guy, while others would claim it to be a digital choke out.

Its as laughable as digital amnesia being some exclusive concept different than amnesia, while the brain does offload information to everything else anyway. 

Yeah you can quote yourself all you want, but... 

You believe that you can offload memory to digital devices and to search engines, and believe people do it frequently with search engines. 

1. You believe cognitive offloading of memory

I.e., when you can look up information you tend not to store it internally.

2. You believe cognitive offloading of memory to digital devices and search engines

3. You believe it happens frequently

4. When you offload memory, you tend to forget that information

5. The Google effect refers to the frequent forgetting information offloaded to the Google search engine (information easily accessible by Google)

That is literally the Google effect. By your own definition, you believe it.

The fact that you can offload memory to "other things as well", including asking your mom for your cousin's phone number changes nothing. 

Why dont you ask your AI, who does the thinking for you, if the Google effect is an example of cognitive offloading. Do you know what it means for AI to be stuck in a local minimum?

Why do you think the Google effect requires a move of the goalpost?

...and just to address your AI's reproducibility thing, it's not irrelevant. However, it does serve to distract from the grander point when you are arguing that shoes are the downfall of society because of some study AI pointed you to, but I can observe that you're literally wearing shoes yourself, so I think its better to first address the elephant in the room. In this case being your own admission that you believe in the Google effect.

Jada said: 

Yeah you can quote yourself all you want, but... 

You believe that you can offload memory to digital devices and to search engines, and believe people do it frequently with search engines. 

Yes I believe we offload memory to digital devices too.  Keyword "too". 

1. You believe cognitive offloading of memory

I.e., when you can look up information you tend not to store it internally.

That's not entirely true, but will happen if the information isn't all that important or useful. I use a lot of software and if I can't do something I'll look up a "how to". Now I know and it's not required for me to look it up the next time I need to perform the same task. 

2. You believe cognitive offloading of memory to digital devices and search engines

Yes, but also. Cookbooks. Might want to make that thing I made last year but don't remember the exact recipe. I can pick up the book where I got it from, but if I use an electronic device, oh my ! The Google effect strikes again !

3. You believe it happens frequently

No I don't, and I have no reason to believe this happens frequently while the other "scientists" fail to replicate the outcome for the Google effect experiment.

4. When you offload memory, you tend to forget that information

Not entirely. Sometimes we say "I knew that" and we mean it cause when reminded a bell goes off. 

5. The Google effect refers to the frequent forgetting information offloaded to the Google search engine (information easily accessible by Google)

That is literally the Google effect. By your own definition, you believe it.

I understand that. You're going back to page 1 cause you don't seem to know if I understand. I don't think you want me to understand what it is while I reject the symptom of amnesia having a special category for Google. 

The fact that you can offload memory to "other things as well", including asking your mom for your cousin's phone number changes nothing. 

True. Nothing changes when we offload to others or things. But all of a sudden we're supposed to believe if it's digital, it deserves it's own category as if it's a separate effect from offloading elsewhere. 

In 2026 I don't bother remembering phone numbers. Even if my home blew up and I lost everything including my mobile devices, I'd still be able to get all that information back as soon as I get my hands on a device. It's really not important to remember every number so yes I we'll offload it.  

Why dont you ask your AI, who does the thinking for you, if the Google effect is an example of cognitive offloading. Do you know what it means for AI to be stuck in a local minimum?

Why do you think the Google effect requires a move of the goalpost?

So you think Google does the thinking for you. Not surprised. I think you let others entitles do the thinking for you to and you settle for what's popular. 

Google does the searching for me. The indexing. It's not useful for us to remember every single page we've been to, or keep a fuck load of data that doesn't serve us.

Offloading is the brain working properly, and thank God. This prevents serious brain rot. 

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Ai doesn't believe in anything. It can talk about the whole Google Effect, and it'll reference the Google effect from years of it's eco from a mainstream culture. It can say the Google Effect is real, then you can ask it about how no notable scientific organization was able to replicate it in the whole 14 years of it's revelation to the public. Yes it can talk about that too, because there are sources. 

It doesn't believe in anything. It's unable to. You can ask them if they believe in God, or believe someone can can affirm their gender off and on and actually be that gender. It will tell you it's incapable of believing in anything.  

What Ai can do, is recognize things, like that Golden Ratio I pulled on your ass. I saw it, revealed it, you still doubted it. I gave it to the Ai and it explained what was happening and found it to be well done. found that it was pointing toward the heart of your post. Interestingly I stated something similar and said I would only focus on that one line.

This is using Ai as a tool. You can try to undo what I've showed you with your Ai, but it wouldn't pan out very well.

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Long ago, I was 20 years old and got my first Motorcycle. Went to a plaza and before I walked in, I hear a "clasp" sound in the direction where my brand new bike is. It was loud enough to be the sound of my bike falling over.

I ran as fast as I could back to where I parked, and there I saw my bike on it's side, and a copper coloured Toyota reversed into it. The dude was a chinky man with his family and when he saw me, he pulled off. I ran behind him and just pointed so he can see me in his rear view mirror. 

29 years later I can tell you his plate inscribed "38MAY" which is an easy one to remember, but I assure you I would still remember it if it were "JFA-09G". I remembered it cause I needed to remember it. Or I thought I did. Cops rolled in right away like a Godsend, and the guy came back, probably knew he would've gotten into real trouble. He showed up and asked what's going on and denied it, Cop found the scuff marks on his bumper, and some Karen came out of her car and was like "Heeee did it ! I saw the whole thing ! The chinky man's Son was looking at me like a predator at the collision office, felt bad about that.

The point is. I really don't need to know buddies license plate. It's a waste of time talking about it, though I'm using it as an example as to why the brain offloads useless shit, but in the heat of the moment, that licence plate would've been my only saving grace if he never came back, as the scuff mark on his bumper was leveled where the Ninja was impacted before the fall.

There was no Gopro in 1999 but if I had one stuck to my forehead, I probably would've offloaded the data cause the footage would've contained it. You can call it the Google effect, but it would've made no difference if the footage was captured on tape, or digital camera.  

Jada said: 

...and just to address your AI's reproducibility thing, it's not irrelevant. However, it does serve to distract from the grander point when you are arguing that shoes are the downfall of society because of some study AI pointed you to, but I can observe that you're literally wearing shoes yourself, so I think its better to first address the elephant in the room. In this case being your own admission that you believe in the Google effect.

 Yeah. That just shows me that you did not read any papers in regard to the names I gave you. That you're shutting your eyes and making assumptions that I've collected horseshit from some Ai. 

I gave you names, and universities. The rest is up to you. 

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The reason why I don't believe in the Google effect has nothing to do with scientists, psychological institutions and universities finding it to be a crock of shit. I learned that stuff while here. It has to do with personal experiences. I can see there's nothing magical or different about offloading to digital devices, it's something we do with all things, and it would be unusual if we never did that with digital content.  

I can also see, you're having a bit of a meltdown, unable to accept that I don't believe in it, so you'll insist that I do, and make some false example as if I'm arguing shoes are the downfall of society, when really, it's more like your sky is falling. 

What do you make of the those who are certified that don't believe in the Google effect Legga ?