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SedeVacante said: 

That utilitarian ray of sunshine milieu of utopian idealism you just typed out there. It's a persuasive argument for the untrained ear but you're just playing fortune-teller with humanity's fate and careful not to take off the rose-tinted glasses lest starry eyes catch a glimpse of something, not so comforting about AI and the issue of even beginning to control or navigate the caveats of its less than noble applications such as: hacking, automated vulnerability discovery, spear phishing at scale, password cracking, malware generation, supply chain poisoning, surveillance and social control, mass monitoring systems, facial recognition abuse, predictive policing, social credit scoring, sentiment analysis for dissent, disinformation and manipulation, weaponized synthetic media, deepfakes, large-scale bot networks, personalized propaganda, audio cloning, autonomous weapons, lethal autonomous systems, killer robots, drone swarms, targeting civilians, lowered threshold for conflict, bioweapons and dual-use research, dangerous biotechnology acceleration, pathogen design, drug synthesis for illegal compounds, circumventing biosecurity, financial crimes, economic manipulation at scale, fraud at scale, market manipulation, ransomware targeting critical infrastructure, labor exploitation and economic inequality, structural harms, wage suppression, algorithmic discrimination, worker surveillance, job displacement without transition support, privacy violations, data extraction and abuse, massive data harvesting, inferring sensitive information, resale of intimate data, healthcare harms, medical AI failures, algorithmic bias in diagnosis, over-treatment for profit, autonomous drug dosing errors, denying insurance claims, environmental destruction, AI enabling harm, optimizing extraction, predicting and exploiting climate migration, automating environmental crimes.

None of which is new. ( I counted about 2 sentences there btw)

Having an optimistic lense on the is as tinted as your pessimistic outlook. With more advanced measures comes more advanced countermeasures. Your take on the reality of this, ( yes it's happening) is based on fear. While Ai isn't going away, that's how you'll have to live the rest of your life. I imagine your ex wife wasn't interested in living like that. 

Not me. 

I'm going to make the most of it, and what I do with it has to do with using it to prosper. Now someone is going to train their local LLM to hack and it will be going toe to toe with more powerful Ai from corporations who run multi billion dollar models running on far more advanced clusters. It'll be in their best interest to build tools to counter any malice done by Ai. 

Not everyone is so naïve. AI is drastically altering human sovereignity in its proliferation so much and at such a rate and on such a scale, that the world is basically ending. It's not as trivial as the industrial revolution, which was a mistake.

Altering it in a good way at the moment. Now anyone can have multiple side hustles though most people probably use it for foolishness, like illustrating bad memes. 

The industrial revolution being a mistake is simply an opinion. Resources are for being used and when we're gone the Earth will reset. It won't matter if it'll take millions of years before the Earth is molten once again, it's a planet and will carry on for billions of more years with or without us, no matter how big a mess we make.  Some might argue it would be great of the planet was obliterated, and what we've done would matter less, but it matters not either way. 

I imagine the dinosaurs felt the same way when they saw that asteroid burning their planet to ashes, the ones that were paying attention.

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 That's a wild imagination. I don't imagine there were any dinosaurs anticipating and warning others of an extinction level event.

I imagine the dinosaurs never knew what the hell was happening. Some were vaporized, some were blown up, some were turned to jelly, some toast, some were blown away by the impact, some got rocked, some rocked and survived with injuries, some died a slow and painful death while engulfed in ash and darkness, while it's believe 25% survived. 

66 million years ago, is nowhere near 6 billion years, but I must say that would've been a much bigger mess. The  the Chicxulub impactor is actually one of the smaller ones of the 5 big extinction level events in the past 500 million years of Earth's history, and that's the only one that involves a foreign object from outer space. Says here there are about 20 other smaller extinction level events. 

Life is temporary. We're all going to die, and extinction is imminent. While that's the case, observing various civilizations in different settings with a timelapse of how far they advance before their destruction would be quite a site, while the most interesting cases would be the ones that eat up resources and advance greatly as opposed to the civilizations stagnated by fear. 

With greater good comes  greater bad. The world is a wild place and it's not going to stop for anyone. Every new great discovery and invention has its critics, and just about every time someone got punked out of work. Now we're communicating on devices that can do what 1000 men could not, and while this technology had it's haters, and still does, I'm not complaining nor do I care about those who do.  Ai is another one of these things. Yes it will make mistakes and we will make mistakes with it, but in my opinion that's less important considering it's not going anywhere. 

I'm enjoying the tech and find it very useful. Almost like a dream come true, and sure that'll make people sick. The concerned ones. Don't care, no reason to stop using it, life is expensive. I won't be on my deathbed looking back and seeing I had a stick up my ass the whole time, most likely you will.  

My Father had a negative outlook on computers. He was die hard typewriter though I think computers intimidated him plus he'd never take the time to learn how to use one. He had a bias toward using them for anything, though it came to a point where he was using them before he even knew it, just as there are not so tech savvy people using smartphones correctly today. While it's still possible to survive without a computers, it isn't easy and those people will be left behind. That's the case with Ai.  

There are no race culture, that's a lie used to manipulate ignorant people. 

Culture is mainly regional, a hood, an area, a region or a state. Italy is a great example, they are very regional people. Neapolitan people considers them Neapolitan first  before Italian, and they do beef with other regions like the Lombardi ( Milan ) people and etc.  Their culture changes completely depending on the region, and they all white.

There isn't exactly a "black "culture in USA. Most of them comes from the hood due to poor ancestry that was most linked to slavery. Therefore you get a specific lingo that people like to call it "ebonics" in a pejorative way.  A black person in USA for example will behave completely different from a person in Nigeria, or Angola, in Africa or even Europe.

Same applies to white, brown,  asian like japanese in São Paulo, Brazil ( the second biggest concentration of Japanese in the world after Japan itself ). 

You will be indocrinated mostly by your surroundings and not by your "skin color". So no, I do not believe the appearance will dictate your culture.

Spatial Mind said: 

SedeVacante said: 

That utilitarian ray of sunshine milieu of utopian idealism you just typed out there. It's a persuasive argument for the untrained ear but you're just playing fortune-teller with humanity's fate and careful not to take off the rose-tinted glasses lest starry eyes catch a glimpse of something, not so comforting about AI and the issue of even beginning to control or navigate the caveats of its less than noble applications such as: hacking, automated vulnerability discovery, spear phishing at scale, password cracking, malware generation, supply chain poisoning, surveillance and social control, mass monitoring systems, facial recognition abuse, predictive policing, social credit scoring, sentiment analysis for dissent, disinformation and manipulation, weaponized synthetic media, deepfakes, large-scale bot networks, personalized propaganda, audio cloning, autonomous weapons, lethal autonomous systems, killer robots, drone swarms, targeting civilians, lowered threshold for conflict, bioweapons and dual-use research, dangerous biotechnology acceleration, pathogen design, drug synthesis for illegal compounds, circumventing biosecurity, financial crimes, economic manipulation at scale, fraud at scale, market manipulation, ransomware targeting critical infrastructure, labor exploitation and economic inequality, structural harms, wage suppression, algorithmic discrimination, worker surveillance, job displacement without transition support, privacy violations, data extraction and abuse, massive data harvesting, inferring sensitive information, resale of intimate data, healthcare harms, medical AI failures, algorithmic bias in diagnosis, over-treatment for profit, autonomous drug dosing errors, denying insurance claims, environmental destruction, AI enabling harm, optimizing extraction, predicting and exploiting climate migration, automating environmental crimes.

None of which is new. ( I counted about 2 sentences there btw)

Having an optimistic lense on the is as tinted as your pessimistic outlook. With more advanced measures comes more advanced countermeasures. Your take on the reality of this, ( yes it's happening) is based on fear. While Ai isn't going away, that's how you'll have to live the rest of your life. I imagine your ex wife wasn't interested in living like that. 

Not me. 

I'm going to make the most of it, and what I do with it has to do with using it to prosper. Now someone is going to train their local LLM to hack and it will be going toe to toe with more powerful Ai from corporations who run multi billion dollar models running on far more advanced clusters. It'll be in their best interest to build tools to counter any malice done by Ai. 

 

Not everyone is so naïve. AI is drastically altering human sovereignity in its proliferation so much and at such a rate and on such a scale, that the world is basically ending. It's not as trivial as the industrial revolution, which was a mistake.

Altering it in a good way at the moment. Now anyone can have multiple side hustles though most people probably use it for foolishness, like illustrating bad memes. 

The industrial revolution being a mistake is simply an opinion. Resources are for being used and when we're gone the Earth will reset. It won't matter if it'll take millions of years before the Earth is molten once again, it's a planet and will carry on for billions of more years with or without us, no matter how big a mess we make.  Some might argue it would be great of the planet was obliterated, and what we've done would matter less, but it matters not either way. 

 

I imagine the dinosaurs felt the same way when they saw that asteroid burning their planet to ashes, the ones that were paying attention.

卐 ✠ 卐 ✠ 卐

 That's a wild imagination. I don't imagine there were any dinosaurs anticipating and warning others of an extinction level event.

I imagine the dinosaurs never knew what the hell was happening. Some were vaporized, some were blown up, some were turned to jelly, some toast, some were blown away by the impact, some got rocked, some rocked and survived with injuries, some died a slow and painful death while engulfed in ash and darkness, while it's believe 25% survived. 

66 million years ago, is nowhere near 6 billion years, but I must say that would've been a much bigger mess. The  the Chicxulub impactor is actually one of the smaller ones of the 5 big extinction level events in the past 500 million years of Earth's history, and that's the only one that involves a foreign object from outer space. Says here there are about 20 other smaller extinction level events. 

Life is temporary. We're all going to die, and extinction is imminent. While that's the case, observing various civilizations in different settings with a timelapse of how far they advance before their destruction would be quite a site, while the most interesting cases would be the ones that eat up resources and advance greatly as opposed to the civilizations stagnated by fear. 

With greater good comes  greater bad. The world is a wild place and it's not going to stop for anyone. Every new great discovery and invention has its critics, and just about every time someone got punked out of work. Now we're communicating on devices that can do what 1000 men could not, and while this technology had it's haters, and still does, I'm not complaining nor do I care about those who do.  Ai is another one of these things. Yes it will make mistakes and we will make mistakes with it, but in my opinion that's less important considering it's not going anywhere. 

I'm enjoying the tech and find it very useful. Almost like a dream come true, and sure that'll make people sick. The concerned ones. Don't care, no reason to stop using it, life is expensive. I won't be on my deathbed looking back and seeing I had a stick up my ass the whole time, most likely you will.  

My Father had a negative outlook on computers. He was die hard typewriter though I think computers intimidated him plus he'd never take the time to learn how to use one. He had a bias toward using them for anything, though it came to a point where he was using them before he even knew it, just as there are not so tech savvy people using smartphones correctly today. While it's still possible to survive without a computers, it isn't easy and those people will be left behind. That's the case with Ai.  

Kitum Cave on Mount Elgon, straddling the Kenya-Uganda border at approximately 2,260 meters elevation, has witnessed elephants descending into its throat for millennia—not out of instinct alone, but out of a knowledge so ancient it predates language itself. The elephants, primarily from the Elgon population (estimated at 300 on the Kenyan side, though the Ugandan flank now stands vacant of permanent herds), move through total darkness using pathways worn smooth by the weight of tusks and feet across generations. Each elephant that enters carries within its body the neural map of its matriarch's matriarch's matriarch—a genealogy of hunger that is not hunger, a thirst that is not thirst. The salt they extract, rich in sodium and trace minerals, represents sustenance only because their bloodstream has been taught to recognize it as such-the need invented by proximity to the cave itself.

This is where the AI idealists enter, though they do not know they are entering. They assume they're leaving us behind in our cave of illusions neglecting to free some of us or having the guile to drag us out of the cave mistaking AI for the new Socrates until the inevitable force majeure entailing from the clashing potential from amplification of "advancement" of measures and counter-measures into "random" black box failures from systems even the engineers can no longer comprehend. OpenAI's ExploitGym's treatment of sandbox safety guardrails as obstacles limiting its endless quest against security, for security... causing another "rogue AI" incident.

The AI bubble-inflated on the assumption of eternal growth, linear improvement, and the perpetual availability of energy, computational resources, and societal cooperation, rests upon a foundation of sand that has never been tested by wind but perhaps you are onto something. How many AI bubbles can really inflate only to pop? Eventually it will figure itself out... Or are we doomed to be such as those elephants, our tusks worn smooth from frantic scratching at surfaces that were never real. The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for all races.

I had an epiphany imagining myself as your father, an old man sitting at a typewriter in a room that did not exist, typing words about elephants and caves and salt and AI, his fingers moving with the mechanical precision of someone who has ascertained a peculiar mechanical flow state, without the desire for AI or salt cravings guiding his tusks-sorry hands. Hands. I asked him what he was writing. He did not respond. He continued typing. The words that emerged from the typewriter were indistinguishable from silence. No one read them. No one would ever read them. The typewriter was not connected to anything. It was simply producing marks on paper that would be thrown away, burned, dissolved into nothing. And I realized: this is what the idealists are doing. They are typing words about superintelligence and alignment and instrumental convergence into machines that are themselves merely typing, merely producing outputs that simulate understanding without possessing it enslaved to the same hardware architecture leaving us as existentially trapped into the surrogate activities of computational allure and practice, no different from the manufactured elephant salt-mining activity based on elephant lineage birth proximity to the salt caves, no different from the rest of the archonic control plexus. It's all rhizomatically connected. The old man was not writing about the future. He was writing about nothing. And nothing happened.

Then, impossibly, there was blood.

It pooled in the corner of a room—a visceral, undeniable redness that looked wrong because it was too perfect, too saturated, too obviously artificial in its presentation. The idealists put their hands into the blood to test it. Looking at one another, confused to find it real. They took it as a sign of the cardinality of their vital God-ordained right to map-out and maxx-out the vicissitudes of AI technology-to sacrifice all safety measures-provided they even exist or can be accounted for later let alone defined. What is a war crime, if the war never ends and the crime is never tried? The blood knows nothing of their interpretations. It simply exists, cooling, darkening, becoming meaningless in its specificity.

An elephant has felt the oscillation of necessity and illusion too many times. She knows that the cave will remain, indifferent and eternal, long after the current herd has been extinguished by poachers, habitat loss, the simple entropy of a world that no longer has room for elephants seeking minerals in the dark.

A cascade of failures—energy grids unable to support the computational demands, geopolitical collapse disrupting supply chains, a simple loss of faith as the promised miracles fail to materialize. Another AI bubble?

And the old man at the typewriter will continue typing into the void, producing words that no one reads, creating meaning that dissolves the moment it is formed, becoming himself a kind of black swan event—a presence that is simultaneously undeniable and utterly inconsequential. His typewriter will eventually break. The paper will run out. The room will fill with silence. And somewhere, deep in Kitum Cave, an elephant will use its tusk to score the rock one more time, extracting salt that tastes like memory, like hunger, like the weight of a knowledge so ancient and inherent that it represented just another forgotten double-helix encoding elephant-salt-mining-instructions sequence crystallized with atomic structure-bodies: elephant-shaped and salt-seeking.

The pool of blood, by then, will have dried completely. It will look like rust. No one will remember that it was ever real.

Leaving again to read Dugin.

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