Do you think it's possible for someone to be black because they identify as one? I.e., is there utility to having two sparate concepts of race, the cultural identity and then the biological fact?
What race do you identify with? Would you say that a white guy claiming to be black is cultural appropriation?
I've never cared about race, but I see a lot of people who seem to care. Most people seem kinda racist. I wonder why.
I tend to see one's racial identity moreso reflect how others treat them, rather than how they see themselves. It tends to reflect the receiving end of culture.
People see me as white, so regardless of if I'm colorblind to that or not that is the life I've led with the pros and cons that come with it. Someone could call themselves a starchild, but if they've faced the struggles all too common for the black community for example then that's the culture they are liable to reflect.
Most who have privilege tend to not understand it's there, which does not otherwise invalidate it, rendering the self-perception over it questionable.
Most who have privilege tend to not understand it's there, which does not otherwise invalidate it, rendering the self-perception over it questionable.
Kind of like you denying the violence and victim blaming autistic people have to go through?
Most who have privilege tend to not understand it's there, which does not otherwise invalidate it, rendering the self-perception over it questionable.
Kind of like you denying the violence and victim blaming autistic people have to go through?
Is that how you saw my saying that words < actions?
I'm not sure how comfortable or equipped I am for this discussion, but there is a case study for this very phenomena: Oli London. Issues of biology and identity obviously bleed into the question of gender and sex. Are they equivalent?
What is cultural appropriation?
Can one apply this to transgender issues?
I really don't know if I've the knowledge, interface (as in, concern) or impact to bear on this. However, I feel it's important to bring up.
Can one apply this to transgender issues?
I've definitely seen some people be mad as if I was invading some secret club or whatever.
It's as if they didn't notice the cis vs trans label.
Wearing dreadlocks being offensive to black people is the funniest thing I've heard all day. It's mostly white people preaching about this isn't it? I wonder where the term originates.
I think you probably could apply it to trans issues, but it'd be as ludicrous as it is to apply it to race. Can't people just live and let live?
I'm not sure how comfortable or equipped I am for this discussion
See, this is fascinating to me. Why is everyone from the US and Canada so uncomfortable with race, gender, IQ, and nationality?
Just the other day, I met this lady from Chicago who told me that talking about the dialects in the UK and the historical connection with caste is considered to be in poor taste. Yet British people joke about it all the time. So who are we defending, really? The Brits don't need us to defend them.
This is a bit like how we can't talk about black people being genetically the most intelligent race due to not having any neanderthal DNA in them, since they never mixed. I don't get why it's such a big problem. It's just science and facts.
I've definitely seen some people be mad as if I was invading some secret club or whatever.
It's as if they didn't notice the cis vs trans label.
Lmao. What did they say?
I'm guessing the far right is still a bigger problem though?
Can one apply this to transgender issues?
I really don't know if I've the knowledge, interface (as in, concern) or impact to bear on this. However, I feel it's important to bring up.
I identify as white but biologically I'm anonymous. Online, I can be any race, gender, and species I want, and nobody will know. I could even be a blue gay goldfish for all you know. If I had to guess, Id says that you're a white gay male. Or a dolphin.
People see me as white, so regardless of if I'm colorblind to that or not that is the life I've led with the pros and cons that come with it.
Someone could call themselves a starchild, but if they've faced the struggles all too common for the black community for example then that's the culture they are liable to reflect.
So would you opt for having two terms to describe race as a biological fact and as a social identity?
When I was traveling in India, I found out the funniest thing. There is apparently a village somewhere in India where 'Helicopter' is a common name. As in, not "Helicopter" in sanscript, or some Hindi translation of it, just, "Helicopter", like how you would pronounce it in English. In the same village, a dude was named Adolf Hitler. They don't speak English so they just choose some cool sounding foreign words and name their kids after them. So they got a bunch of Helicopters and Adolf Hitlers. Must've been a shock to find out who Adolf Hitler was. Now that's a real disadvantage, being named Helicopter.
I've definitely seen some people be mad as if I was invading some secret club or whatever.
It's as if they didn't notice the cis vs trans label.Lmao. What did they say?
I'm guessing the far right is still a bigger problem though?
The right definitely has a less complicated version, but the left has many demographics, and among them for example are radical feminists who see it as 'men playing dress up to undermine all they stand for'.
The idea that a trans woman does not understand what a cis woman has gone through, be that culturally or even physically for things like periods and menopause, makes acceptance hard for them even when others of their own party insist.
It's understandable that after years of gender oppression that they might begin to partake in oppression themselves when given the chance. Modeling off of the abuse received is expected, and won't go away until such concepts become entirely normalized by future generations, as we've been seeing happen with homosexuality compared to how it was seen in the past.
People see me as white, so regardless of if I'm colorblind to that or not that is the life I've led with the pros and cons that come with it.
Someone could call themselves a starchild, but if they've faced the struggles all too common for the black community for example then that's the culture they are liable to reflect.
So would you opt for having two terms to describe race as a biological fact and as a social identity?
Trans opt for that, but there's a reason they tend to still try to look the part they're trying to play. It's about how they're seen, which is why they push so hard for acceptance over knowing people can still see through it. If it weren't we wouldn't be seeing so much effort go into it.
Contrapoints has tried to be accepting of those who can't pass but you can see her continue to modify her appearance to appear more femme, and then there's figures like Blair White who take an unapologetic stance against aesthetic failings.
Wearing dreadlocks being offensive to black people is the funniest thing I've heard all day. It's mostly white people preaching about this isn't it? I wonder where the term originates.
I think you probably could apply it to trans issues, but it'd be as ludicrous as it is to apply it to race. Can't people just live and let live?
I'm not sure how comfortable or equipped I am for this discussion
See, this is fascinating to me. Why is everyone from the US and Canada so uncomfortable with race, gender, IQ, and nationality?
Just the other day, I met this lady from Chicago who told me that talking about the dialects in the UK and the historical connection with caste is considered to be in poor taste. Yet British people joke about it all the time. So who are we defending, really? The Brits don't need us to defend them.
This is a bit like how we can't talk about black people being genetically the most intelligent race due to not having any neanderthal DNA in them, since they never mixed. I don't get why it's such a big problem. It's just science and facts.
I admit, I am probably falling into the trap of hypersensitivity. However, it remains true that I'm still only peripherally aware and concerned with the facts and concerns. It would be disingenuous of me to weigh in with more than an opinion. I've seen the controversy of the findings of Charles Murray, for instance. I agree on the point that research findings should be able to be discussed without being politically- or emotionally-charged. ...Perhaps I'm taking too serious in this place the kind of can of worms that might be opened. Still, I also admit the discussion is interesting -- it has had me mull over where one draws the lines between race and culture, sex and gender, etc.
I might be able to approach, philosophically, the "issue" of cultural appropriation more. On the one hand, there's something "earned" about culture for certain races. On the other hand, cultural awareness comes at a risk for people adopting its customs, since they might actually be favorable to other cultures, promoting more global culture. The dials of sensitivity seem to be rather skewed lately, with that Cleopatra movie or Little Mermaid remake, for example, under the guise of inclusion or some other confusion. Facts matter in this discussion, even in what might be subjective in nature, but it I don't know if we've really zeroed in on or agreed upon where it matters most and what it means for us. Perhaps the Brownian motion of its discussion will reach equilibrium.
Can one apply this to transgender issues?
I really don't know if I've the knowledge, interface (as in, concern) or impact to bear on this. However, I feel it's important to bring up.
I identify as white but biologically I'm anonymous. Online, I can be any race, gender, and species I want, and nobody will know. I could even be a blue gay goldfish for all you know. If I had to guess, Id says that you're a white gay male. Or a dolphin.
What someone identifies as concerns me very little, online or in real life. Most of it won't have an impact for me, probably. That seems pretty privileged, and probably is, but these are other peoples' lives, which affects them and their way of being in the world, so my opinion on it and willingness to share it should depend on reflecting on that.
