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The Waltz said: 

The thing about Spider-Man is that his strength is not compatible with his durability. 

He needs to dodge bullets, because they can actually pierce him like a normal person.  To this day people tend to forget that due to the plot-armor  bubble he has been in since forever. 

If by plot armor you mean his spidersense, even the other heroes remark on how powerful it is. 

Spiderman is also unusually durable, especially against blunt force trauma. A normal person hitting him has been compared to "punching concrete". 

So I do believe that if Homelander wanted, his Laser Beam would be more than enough to slice him in half.

He'd have to hit him first, Spiderman has dodged lasers and gunfire multiple times. Rather than hard-tanking he's ninja-tanking. Spiderman has even been able to fight people using that sense to such a degree that he's gone toe-to-toe with Quicksilver. 

Homelander in his own setting has lost due to emotional damage, and that's literally Spiderman's main attack. Now if this were Spiderman vs Omniman? Omniman would win over how Spiderman's emotional abuse strats wouldn't work on him and over how Omniman is a fan of sneak attacks. 

I don't think Spider-Man ever faced someone like Homelander on a 1x1 .

He's faced stronger, smarter, more emotionally collected foes than Homelander. The only thing that makes Homelander strong is relativity, his own world's people are weaker than normal heroes. 

A prop sword left a cut on his face, it wasn't even a real sword. Homelander's one of the weakest Supermen on the market and we've seen Spiderman outlift him more than once. When Hulk held one arm and Thor held the other, Hulk remarked on how he felt him move when he became desperate. 

All of this is before we even factor in if Spiderman can become aware of Homelander's weaknesses, like his problems with Zinc. Lets face it, the only way Homelander is going to defeat Spiderman is if Homelander stole the Venom Suit. It's the only thing in the comics I've seen that thwarts his Spidersense, and even there Spiderman is accutely aware of Venom's weakness to Fire and Sonic. 

"He's faced stronger, smarter, more emotionally collected foes than Homelander." Yeah cause of plot armor. I like characters up until the writers keep overpowering them. I love characters because of their flaws and limits or unashamed strength that they should have instead of strength given to them out of nowhere because people think that liking a character means that character should beat any other character with or without enough effort. I don't agree with this notion, I liked Spider-Man because a strong character like Doom can make him his bitch. That's compelling, what's not compelling is Spider-Man beating Doom cause he tinkered in his room for 5minutes when Doom should always outclass Peter really hard. 

Spider-Sense shouldn't work against someone that is vastly faster. Spider-Sense has basically been used to powerwank Spider-Man. I like Spider-Sense as a power that can overcome someone who might be slightly physically superior to Spider-Man, but not when it's used to say that Spider-Man should be able to fight someone that makes Spider-Man look like a slug. It goes back to arguing what Spider-Man's powers should be instead of random feats given by writes who care about sensationalism over consistency or who obviously favor characters. A large reason as to why I hate comics for the lack of consistency even when Spider-Man's powers used to be clearly defined. Even without statistics which there were, his power level was still somewhat obvious and a large part of the story telling. Story telling was traded for purely having sensational stories and panels in which people used to be more honest about feats being unreliable but now that comics have been so saturated in this way, people focus a ton on feats.

Tacky said: 

"He's faced stronger, smarter, more emotionally collected foes than Homelander."

Yeah cause of plot armor.

It's not plot armor when they define the strengths and keep it consistent. 

Plot Armor is more like when someone has Luck as a superpower: 

I like characters up until the writers keep overpowering them.

It's Marvel, they have mortals able to go toe-to-toe with literal gods. 

I love characters because of their flaws and limits or unashamed strength that they should have instead of strength given to them out of nowhere because people think that liking a character means that character should beat any other character with or without enough effort. I don't agree with this notion, I liked Spider-Man because a strong character like Doom can make him his bitch. That's compelling, what's not compelling is Spider-Man beating Doom cause he tinkered in his room for 5minutes when Doom should always outclass Peter really hard. 

See, this isn't about what's compelling, it's about who would win if we compare their powers with real world equivalents. If it's about picking a favorite that's an entirely different story, Homelander's more fun to me. Honestly, the more I see people defend Homelander's room to win, the more I'm seeing it's just that people like Homelander better. 

If the writers were to throw Homelander into a Marvel comic, or Spiderman into Homelander's, you'd likely see them do some rebalancing similar to the Marvel vs DC series. 

Homelander's a fun idea, but when you take all of his powers, compare them to villains (and heroes) that Spiderman has faced before, and then account for Homelander's lack of combat experience? Fighting is not a popularity contest (in spite of Deadpool's claims of the contrary over Wolverine). 

Spider-Sense shouldn't work against someone that is vastly faster.

Reflex-based defenses uses less energy than blitzing, it makes sense to me that he could dodge better than he could run. 

Spider-Sense has basically been used to powerwank Spider-Man. I like Spider-Sense as a power that can overcome someone who might be slightly physically superior to Spider-Man, but not when it's used to say that Spider-Man should be able to fight someone that makes Spider-Man look like a slug. It goes back to arguing what Spider-Man's powers should be instead of random feats given by writes who care about sensationalism over consistency or who obviously favor characters. A large reason as to why I hate comics for the lack of consistency even when Spider-Man's powers used to be clearly defined. Even without statistics which there were, his power level was still somewhat obvious and a large part of the story telling. Story telling was traded for purely having sensational stories and panels in which people used to be more honest about feats being unreliable but now that comics have been so saturated in this way, people focus a ton on feats.

They've rationalized why Spiderman does that though with the same logic they use with Superman: He's always holding back in a World of Cardboard. 



They've even shown him make a mistake over not holding back when Gwen Stacy died, the force of him catching her was enough to kill her. Time and time again he's punished for not holding back, so of course he displays weaker than he is until he doesn't have to anymore. 

It's not consistent at all. Homelander would kill Spider-Man, end of story.

Tacky said: 

It's not consistent at all. Homelander would kill Spider-Man, end of story.

The comic nerds and math involved in this disagree. 

Someone being a nerd doesn't mean they are right. It doesn't mean anything really. I also spoke about feats already but you nevet listen.

Tacky said: 

Someone being a nerd doesn't mean they are right.

Did you even read it? 

It doesn't mean anything really. I also spoke about feats already but you nevet listen.

I actually explained how this 'feats' thing of yours is wrong, but you nevet listen. 

You're stupid.

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