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Homelands would not only kill spider man, he would reduce him to mush.

PalePeach said: 

Homelands would not only kill spider man, he would reduce him to mush.

That's what they said about Hulk, yet Spiderman won by using his charm and jokes to disarm his strength through the power of laughter. 

Spiderman is an Intelligence hero as well as a Charisma hero, in spite of him having enhanced speed and strength. He's as strong as the means he has to prepare in advance and over what allies he has access to, alongside verbal trickery to make them act less coordinated. A lot of his villains have made tools that could make quick work of Homelander, and one of Spiderman's superpowers is Enlisting Teamwork. 

With this in mind, the Spiderman possessed by Doctor Octopus would make quick work of Homelander with his spiderdrones while he drinks coffee in comfort out of costume. He lacks all the moral constraints of Spiderman, and while he may lack Peter's charisma he is able to coast on his history far enough to become a Homelander of his own.

Through the limits Homelander has over PR battles, Spiderman in either form could take advantage of that in order to enlist aid and give Homelander one of his classic flip outs. This battle is not just one of strength, as we've also seen from Spiderman in his Civil War arc, plus even if Homelander kills Spiderman... Homelander loses over how beloved Spiderman is by the people by comparison. He's shooting himself in the foot about as much as he would be if he burnt an American Flag in front of a worldwide audience. 

Turncoat said: 

That's what they said about Hulk, yet Spiderman won by using his charm and jokes to disarm his strength through the power of laughter. 

Spiderman is an Intelligence hero as well as a Charisma hero, in spite of him having enhanced speed and strength. He's as strong as the means he has to prepare in advance and over what allies he has access to, alongside verbal trickery to make them act less coordinated. A lot of his villains have made tools that could make quick work of Homelander, and one of Spiderman's superpowers is Enlisting Teamwork. 

With this in mind, the Spiderman possessed by Doctor Octopus would make quick work of Homelander with his spiderdrones while he drinks coffee in comfort out of costume. He lacks all the moral constraints of Spiderman, and while he may lack Peter's charisma he is able to coast on his history far enough to become a Homelander of his own.

 Spider drones couldn't hurt him. None of Spider-Man's villains could do anything to Homelander or the reason they can't use it on Spider-Man is that they are not as fast as Homelander so they miss. 

Homelander's suite of abilities aren't quite on a par with Superman or even Omni-Man, but they can withstand a lot of Spidey's direct abilities.

The only gambit Spidey has in a face-off against Homelander is prep time and finding out specific weaknesses with V and Homelander's own vulnerabilities.  There aren't many that can be surmounted by Spider-Man directly.

Spider-Man's real factor in a fight like this is leading Homelander into a series of traps and situations, which I think Spider-Man could do with the requisite preparation, but otherwise in a spontaneous one-on-one, he woefully falls short on.

(The real debate is on how powerful Plastic Man is in the DC Universe, especially versus Superman, imo.)

Turncoat said: 

PalePeach said: 

Homelands would not only kill spider man, he would reduce him to mush.

That's what they said about Hulk, yet Spiderman won by using his charm and jokes to disarm his strength through the power of laughter. 

Spiderman is an Intelligence hero as well as a Charisma hero, in spite of him having enhanced speed and strength. He's as strong as the means he has to prepare in advance and over what allies he has access to, alongside verbal trickery to make them act less coordinated. A lot of his villains have made tools that could make quick work of Homelander, and one of Spiderman's superpowers is Enlisting Teamwork. 

With this in mind, the Spiderman possessed by Doctor Octopus would make quick work of Homelander with his spiderdrones while he drinks coffee in comfort out of costume. He lacks all the moral constraints of Spiderman, and while he may lack Peter's charisma he is able to coast on his history far enough to become a Homelander of his own.

Through the limits Homelander has over PR battles, Spiderman in either form could take advantage of that in order to enlist aid and give Homelander one of his classic flip outs. This battle is not just one of strength, as we've also seen from Spiderman in his Civil War arc, plus even if Homelander kills Spiderman... Homelander loses over how beloved Spiderman is by the people by comparison. He's shooting himself in the foot about as much as he would be if he burnt an American Flag in front of a worldwide audience. 

It's not only on a PR side of things.  Humiliation, exposure, etc., would be part of the prep time and pre-fight side of the battle.  Would it land Spidey a victory based on this?  If he could land the kill or defeat, then it would look justified.  But that doesn't guarantee any victory on the battlefield.  Even if put in a position of exposure, if Homelander is victorious, he could rewrite that defamation and maybe even make Spidey look bad, especially if he's the Doc Oc possessed version or some other immoral type.  Maybe even a victim of poor circumstance.

I think I can imagine J. Jonah Jameson's headlines even now...

Make Spiderman look bad? Good. Luck. Better people than Homelander have tried. Unlike his webbing it never sticks, Spiderman is a PR god and JJJ is his Satan. 

There's also the fact that Spiderman's both a genius tier engineer and chemist, this isn't even a real contest. In a straight boxing match Homelander has it by a landslide, but in a situation where all of their strengths can be visited it's a setting victory for Spiderman whether he dies a martyr or otherwise disarms him through his feels and Zinc optimization. 

Much like the fight against The Hulk, he won without it being about power. If the opponent stops fighting, then the one who caused it is the winner. 

The PR angle is too subjective an argument to take into consideration for a fight, necessarily.

Again, all that Spidey would have going for him in this fight is prep time.  In that case, I think victory leans in his favor.  Otherwise, even for PR reasons and the aftermath, Homelander can make it work in his favor.  End of story.

If you want to star throwing other factors and caveats, it's going to be a lot different story.  A lot rides on the universe we bring them into, the people involved, and the resources they have available.  But how can we judge based on these very variable factors?

On the face of it, straight up power-to-power, in the moment match?  Homelander definitely wins.

In a scenario with prep time, things get way more variable.  The skew comes from the in-universe conditions.  PR notwithstanding -- since I still find this contestable, with many variables -- what resources and amalgamations of universes we're considering bear a lot on the results.

Buttered Toast said: 

The PR angle is too subjective an argument to take into consideration for a fight, necessarily.

I disagree, it's one of Spiderman's strongest superpowers. 

It's like crowdsourcing your plot armor. 

Again, all that Spidey would have going for him in this fight is prep time. In that case, I think victory leans in his favor. Otherwise, even for PR reasons and the aftermath, Homelander can make it work in his favor. End of story.

Not all battles are won as a matter of strength. 

Edit: And even there Spiderman's stronger. 

If you want to star throwing other factors and caveats, it's going to be a lot different story.  A lot rides on the universe we bring them into, the people involved, and the resources they have available. 

But how can we judge based on these very variable factors?

By defining them in advance, like what Deathbattle does. 

On the face of it, straight up power-to-power, in the moment match?  Homelander definitely wins.

Physical powers yes, Homelander can lift more weight and do it faster, but in a fight over principles, over the things that matter to them? 

This is like saying Superman could defeat Lex Luthor, sure he could, but he also can't. 

Edit: See the following post, I forgot that Spiderman is legitimately stronger than Homelander and has around 2/3 of his speed. Pair that with intelligence and experience and it's pretty messy. 

In a scenario with prep time, things get way more variable.  The skew comes from the in-universe conditions.  PR notwithstanding -- since I still find this contestable, with many variables -- what resources and amalgamations of universes we're considering bear a lot on the results.

You are neglecting to notice how Paper can beat Rock. 

Edit: And I am neglecting how Rock can beat a smaller Rock. 

Omg Quora is destroying this debate: 

Jaden Thomas said:

So here’s the thing, Spider-Man actually does stand a very high chance of beating Homelander (9/10 to be honest) and here’s why:

Homelander is the weakest of the Superman knock-offs, no question about it. He has similar abilities but having similar abilities doesn’t mean the magnitude of those abilities are going to be the same. Another thing that I find to be incorrect is saying that Homelander can survive a nuke (all of the supes, himself included, in that universe would get annihilated by a nuclear blast). it is blatantly stated the only reason nukes are not used against supes is because of the bad publicity it would bring to Vought (along with the practical reason of letting a nuke loose is a catastrophic thing).



In the comics, Homelander had a visible mark from being struck with a metal prop in the hands of Queen Maeve, a supe who is leagues below Homelander in power. If she can cause visible damage to Homelander with a metal prop, Spider-Man sure as hell can make some dents in the guy and much more.



With that all out of the way, Homelander isn’t anything worse than whatever Spider-Man has had to deal with over the course of his career as a hero. He’s fought beings like Hulk, Rhino, Thanos, Captain America, Venom, Electro, Juggernaut, etc. and beaten them or gave them a good fight with varying degrees of success.

What people on Quora need to understand is that Spider-Man isn’t some helpless human who would just stand there and die, he’s not some low level supe that would be bullied into submission, he’s a born and raised new Yorker who looks danger in the eye and laughs at it. While Homelander is arguably stronger than Spider-Man, that doesn’t make him invulnerable to Spider-Man attacking him and it doesn’t mean he’s capable of one-shotting the web slinger either.

What I find to be especially odd is this idea that Homelander will just look at Spider-Man and he’ll immediately kill the guy with his lasers. Some people are completely ignoring the fact that Spider-Man can, and has, dodged lasers before, up to 6 at a time even. Spider-Sense is a very broken ability, the same ability that allows Spider-Man to keep up with, and even tag, Speedsters, the same ability that let him stop a gun from firing before the bullet even launched, the same ability that’s helped keep him alive over the years. He can dodge anything Homelander has to throw at him and there’s nothing that would say otherwise.

To make things perfectly clear, Spider-Man will have to whittle down Homelander to get the victory but it won’t be something he hasn’t done before. Alongside being strong enough, fast enough, and agile enough to take the win, he’s also smart enough. See the thing is, Spider-Man is no captain America, he’s no Wolverine and he’s no Thor, but he doesn’t have to be. He may not have the combat experience of any of those characters but he does have more than enough to keep him in a fight. He also has street smarts (alongside genius level intellect equal to that of a younger Reed Richards) which allows him a great deal of versatility and adaptability in combat. Additionally, Spider-Man is also one of the worst heroes Homelander could fight. Why? Because he’s a smartass, a quick witted smartass. He’ll keep talking and talking, pissing off Homelander and making the guy get angry. And when he gets angry, he gets sloppy. There is a chance of this backfiring but with the way Homelander is, any blow to his ego is one that he’ll want to rectify with trying to take down the person who did so, so Spider-Man won’t have to worry too much about collateral damage in this scenario.

All in all, it really needs to be stated that the advantage of flight and range are minor ones for Homelander as he’s fighting a person that can dodge virtually anything he throws at him while returning the favor to varying degrees. If a civilian were to get involved and Spider-Man had to pull one of his Hail Marys, it’d especially get worse for Homelander, because once the gloves are off (the same gloves that came off before hitting juggernaut, rhino, the X-men, the Fantastic 4, etc.) they’re off.

I declare Spider-Man the victor with a rock solid 9/10 win margin.

And here I was making excuses for Spiderman like he's just a genius determinator with "Heart" as his elemental weapon, I was not giving Spidey nearly enough credit. This rant visits a few points I've made here (and elsewhere) but completely home runs it where I didn't even factor it. 

The other posts aren't much better, Spiderman can even lift more than him. 🤣