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Turncoat said: 

Jada said: 

I don't dislike BT but I do blame the general state of mindlessness on him.

The downsizing culture started with others.

I'm sure there are a variety of reasons, but the spread of BT's mindlessness had a long-term impact on activity.

The way he posts these half-assed mindless posts with clear lack of thought spread onto at least 4-5 other long term members, which not just made those members unable to contribute anything, it also drove other members away and further contributed to the state of mindlessness through recruiting others to follow suit.

So the BT Zombies had a net negative long term effect despite the appearance of activity.

Turncoat said:

It gave a common enemy, but it also made it harder to keep some people and attract others. 

It was like an in joke that outsiders found repulsive.

It did more good than harm.

Howso? What's your take on it?

My take is pretty simple really. It caused drama, drama attracted people, old members came back, activity spiked, activity spike led to more members. I saw no real harm beyond people saying they didnt like it. Not sure what else I can say here to be honest. I don't see the downsides.

If we really cared, and you wanted me to dig deeper, I could analyse the old forum activity to find spikes in it and see if it supports my hypothesis. I'm a bit too old to do that though, and Ive lost my previous crawler scripts etc. I could bet there'll be a clear connection between the two even without checking.

I think all of this could be shown objectively, so it's not just a matter of opinion. Last time I said.puppets can be discovered objectively using data, the members scoffed. I think these days people understand the value of data analysis better.

I would bet that there is a long term anticorrelation between BT's appearance and the forum activity, too, but it'll be much harder to disentangle from all the noise.

The Waltz said: 

I hate Nostalgia, is a thin line from depression or even lamentation like BT said. 

It's unavoidable too, might as well enjoy it. 

Embrace the new, be glad for your experiences and how they will add  you in the future. Don't hang around too much on the pass, specially about the ones who passed away, nothing good ever comes out of that.

What new? 

Jada said: 

Turncoat said: 

Jada said: 

I don't dislike BT but I do blame the general state of mindlessness on him.

The downsizing culture started with others.

I'm sure there are a variety of reasons, but the spread of BT's mindlessness had a long-term impact on activity.

Who does he even have sway over though? 

The way he posts these half-assed mindless posts with clear lack of thought spread onto at least 4-5 other long term members, which not just made those members unable to contribute anything, it also drove other members away and further contributed to the state of mindlessness through recruiting others to follow suit.

He was far from the first, he became that way as it became normalized. 

You must not really be paying attention. 

It did more good than harm.

Howso? What's your take on it?

My take is pretty simple really. It caused drama, drama attracted people, old members came back, activity spiked, activity spike led to more members. I saw no real harm beyond people saying they didnt like it. Not sure what else I can say here to be honest. I don't see the downsides.

Activity spikes, with those of the ingroup. It didn't promote growth and some of the ingroup found it detestable too. 

It sounds like more harm than good from this explanation anyway, it'd only appeal to a small niche audience while alienating everyone else. 

If we really cared, and you wanted me to dig deeper, I could analyse the old forum activity to find spikes in it and see if it supports my hypothesis. I'm a bit too old to do that though, and Ive lost my previous crawler scripts etc. I could bet there'll be a clear connection between the two even without checking.

I don't think you could at this point. 

Jada said: 

I don't dislike BT but I do blame the general state of mindlessness on him.

I wouldn't mind more explanation for this.

Buttered Toast said: 

Jada said: 

I don't dislike BT but I do blame the general state of mindlessness on him.

I wouldn't mind more explanation for this.

You get defensive when criticized to the point that you want to score some points to get back at people rather than engage the criticism. If you promise not to do that, I'll elaborate.

Who does BT have sway over? He has sway over most old members.

I don't know on what grounds you say he wasnt that way until things were normalized. Either you don't understand what I'm talking about or you haven't paid attention. I'm talking about since he showed up. I could pick out specific examples if that'd be helpful.

Regarding analysing forum posts, I could, but I'd need to be invested enough. At the moment I have more interesting problems I can work on that are more rewarding than this one. Analysing the forum data requires at least a few hours to set up python on my whonix system, and fhen set up the crawlers, download data, and then analyse it. It's not something I can do in 15 minutes.

It's also a repetition of what Ive already done previously, so a rote application that requires no thinking. There's no thrill in it being challenging, nor do I expect the result to be at all surprising or even meaningful to show.

I know it can be done, so I won't do it.

Jada said: 

Buttered Toast said: 

Jada said: 

I don't dislike BT but I do blame the general state of mindlessness on him.

I wouldn't mind more explanation for this.

You get defensive when criticized to the point that you want to score some points to get back at people rather than engage the criticism. If you promise not to do that, I'll elaborate.

Isn't him asking for an elaboration him engaging with the criticism? 

I don't really see it. 

Jada said: 

Who does BT have sway over? He has sway over most old members.

Like who? 

Is this envy over your earlier rambles of being unmemorable to people? 

I don't know on what grounds you say he wasnt that way until things were normalized.

Others tried doing the "whoever says the least is the most alpha" thing, then others began downsizing their replies in response to that becoming the new culture. Even the peer pressures here began to be over a "less is more" model until they stopped saying anything entirely, enabling the lowest common denominator who prove to lack the attention span for real conversation as others begin to resemble that more and more overtime. 

He was at most arguably a victim of that, not the perpetrator nor progenitor of it. People keep saying they miss the old days, a time where people were significantly more verbose, but then do nothing to act in the old ways. BT has otherwise demonstrated himself as a long-poster when his peers feel like giving him the same time and attention he'd show them in a genuine way. 

Either you don't understand what I'm talking about or you haven't paid attention. I'm talking about since he showed up. I could pick out specific examples if that'd be helpful.

So do it?

You keep saying what you could do without showing anything. At least quote stuff to get the ball rolling, or link some old topics. 

Regarding analysing forum posts, I could, but I'd need to be invested enough. At the moment I have more interesting problems I can work on that are more rewarding than this one.

Sounds like a cop out to me, you have the time to reply here so it must be laziness. 

Why make points you won't even bother to defend? 

Analysing the forum data requires at least a few hours to set up python on my whonix system, and fhen set up the crawlers, download data, and then analyse it. It's not something I can do in 15 minutes. 

It's also a repetition of what Ive already done previously, so a rote application that requires no thinking. There's no thrill in it being challenging, nor do I expect the result to be at all surprising or even meaningful to show.

I know it can be done, so I won't do it.

Sounds like a lot of hot, lazy air to me. Rather than prove something, you'd rather sit on what you'd expect to see if you did it again. Your point ends up presumptive, not facts, if you won't even look into it for yourself before making the points. 

It's one thing to not want to repeat the exact same thing identically, it's another to avoid a process to jump to the results you'd assume would follow that effort. Considering the brand of rigor you've tried to demand out of others, it seems absurd and arguably hypocritical to me to see how little you're willing to do yourself. 

If it's really that difficult for you, find a way to prove your points with less steps. The quote function when paired with the search is pretty helpful for that and doesn't take more than a few minutes if you know what you're looking for, so I'd start there. 

The very thing that made SC (SC) is the unified struggle for power, subjective to each member. It was a fun game to play semantics and overanalyze shit but it simply isn't what it used to be. There were people of interest who had absolute shit takes and those who are deliberate and thought-out. Now nobody really gives a shit anymore. SC has always been a haven of toxicity but those who play the villain are no longer present. The result? This place smells like a heaping pile of shit full of apathetic doomers. To each their own, but it doesn't bode well with new members. Why feast on a corpse when only the skeleton remains. I'm sure the prospect of garnering new members has been beat to death but SC really needs new members. Crackheads, wine moms, discord mods, anyone who has brain damage it really doesn't matter. They would thrive here. Or rot sitting in the corner of a dead chatroom for years like TC. Where people look for distractions, they only find a mirror here. 

Who's going to bring them here though?